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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
January 29 2014 00:10 GMT
#95121
On January 29 2014 08:40 DrPandaPhD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2014 08:23 Comeh wrote:
Rule of thumb is never to buy anything stout shield related on a ranged hero.

Ever.

I once went PMS AND Vanguard on Viper.

You're a monster. Did you get a butterfly after that? Just to complete the "Fuck you" set.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-29 00:15:56
January 29 2014 00:11 GMT
#95122
On January 29 2014 08:42 Gheizen64 wrote:
Tbh i don't know if off phoenix' still good. You can't dodge stuns with dive anymore, and you got 17 str and -0.1 armor at level, meaning that the 3 autoattacks from supps will kill you whenever you don't have fire spirit slow active. I think he's more mid material now, you just and go cs when you have spirits up and autowin.

You can't dodge stuns, but the hero still is ranged, has 0 cast animation, and moves fast enough in dive to be near impossible to click on. You just can't dive too late and still escape anyway because the hero is bullshit. Mid Phoenix wins lanes, but has the problem that he's not exactly an outstanding gank hero and doesn't really need items. The mold of needs no items and is almost exclusively a teamfight hero fits an off-laner much more than a mid hero.
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Staboteur
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada1873 Posts
January 29 2014 00:22 GMT
#95123
Yeah I see stouts or PMS on Luna fairly often. It makes some sense considering her low-ass base strength, combined with her shitty range and zero defensive skills. I mean, the Yango-answer is probably that ring of prot / ring of basi / ring of aquila provides a better buildup and comparable defensive stats to a stout/PMS build, but honestly buying stout on Luna is not that gross a mistake to make.
I'm actually Fleetfeet D:
trinxified
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada7774 Posts
January 29 2014 00:24 GMT
#95124
Lol stout shield on range hero is absolutely terribad. Don't even consider it.
Kishin2
Profile Joined May 2011
United States7534 Posts
January 29 2014 01:00 GMT
#95125
Is there a gif of sunder dagon yet?
Dead9
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States4725 Posts
January 29 2014 01:12 GMT
#95126
tb actually jungles pretty fast uninterrupted
not that it's a good idea but yea
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
January 29 2014 01:23 GMT
#95127
On January 29 2014 10:00 Kishin2 wrote:
Is there a gif of sunder dagon yet?


any player that played wc3 has had a game where 'that guy' went that build and either hilariously failed or rolled over people, never really seen a middle ground
thug life.                                                       MVP/ex-
trinxified
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada7774 Posts
January 29 2014 01:25 GMT
#95128
People have got to realize that TB doesn't have jungling skills anymore like before... What makes people think he should be jungling?
Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
January 29 2014 01:29 GMT
#95129
i once thought stout on luna was a good idea, so obviously its not
11/5/14 CATACLYSM | The South West's worst Falco main
Staboteur
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada1873 Posts
January 29 2014 01:44 GMT
#95130
On January 29 2014 10:29 Targe wrote:
i once thought stout on luna was a good idea, so obviously its not


Hey, when bottle luna actually happens in my games, stout luna doesn't seem so bad.
I'm actually Fleetfeet D:
BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
January 29 2014 01:57 GMT
#95131
If you are a range hero and you feel like that you need that stout shield/pms/vang then you might need to consider how might you improve your positioning. The only exceptions i can think of are viper and razor, but even for them I might use that vit booster for heart later.
is 2017, stop being lame, fuck's sakes. 'Can't wait for the rise of the cakes and humanity's last stand tbqh.'
Stancel
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Singapore15360 Posts
January 29 2014 01:58 GMT
#95132
On January 29 2014 10:25 trinxified wrote:
People have got to realize that TB doesn't have jungling skills anymore like before... What makes people think he should be jungling?


I miss the non-channeling life drain.
ffxiv enjoyer
Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
January 29 2014 01:59 GMT
#95133
i thought bottle luna was meant to be legit, or have i heard wrong?

BSera, it was before i knew stout functioned differently for ranged heroes and i was getting fed up with luna's crappy attack range
11/5/14 CATACLYSM | The South West's worst Falco main
trinxified
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada7774 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-29 02:11:59
January 29 2014 02:08 GMT
#95134
On January 29 2014 10:58 Stancel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2014 10:25 trinxified wrote:
People have got to realize that TB doesn't have jungling skills anymore like before... What makes people think he should be jungling?


I miss the non-channeling life drain.


Yeah me too lol. So funny how it looked, you just needed enough MS to keep up with heroes. With his 315 base MS, it's easy to keep up and attack at the same time. He even had bonus HP regen on Metamoprh before.

On January 29 2014 10:29 Targe wrote:
i once thought stout on luna was a good idea, so obviously its not


stout shield or any items that build from it isn't worth it for ranged heroes at all. spend that gold on more stats/regen instead.

bottle Luna is silly. but it isn't as bad as getting a stout shield.
Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
January 29 2014 02:16 GMT
#95135
after fucking around a bit with Pheonix, I can't wait. Holy crap that hero is amazing.
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
AndyJay
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Australia833 Posts
January 29 2014 02:29 GMT
#95136
Well it looks really cool but I duno about the hero. Played around in test a bit but he seems really clunky, especially the beam, and the swoop. Have to wait and see him in proper game I guess. I was expecting Ra from HoN for some reason. Need custom mod support for awesome HoN v Dota games.
makmeatt
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
2024 Posts
January 29 2014 02:33 GMT
#95137
Reddit's on the chase for clues boys, it's not over yet.
"Silver Edge can't break my hope" - Kryptt 2016 || "Chrono is not a debuff, you just get rekt" - Guru 2016
Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
January 29 2014 02:34 GMT
#95138
On January 29 2014 11:08 trinxified wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2014 10:58 Stancel wrote:
On January 29 2014 10:25 trinxified wrote:
People have got to realize that TB doesn't have jungling skills anymore like before... What makes people think he should be jungling?


I miss the non-channeling life drain.


Yeah me too lol. So funny how it looked, you just needed enough MS to keep up with heroes. With his 315 base MS, it's easy to keep up and attack at the same time. He even had bonus HP regen on Metamoprh before.

Show nested quote +
On January 29 2014 10:29 Targe wrote:
i once thought stout on luna was a good idea, so obviously its not


stout shield or any items that build from it isn't worth it for ranged heroes at all. spend that gold on more stats/regen instead.

bottle Luna is silly. but it isn't as bad as getting a stout shield.

well yeah obviously, i was doing this before i knew it functioned differently for ranged and melee
11/5/14 CATACLYSM | The South West's worst Falco main
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
January 29 2014 02:36 GMT
#95139
On January 29 2014 07:35 Firebolt145 wrote:
I can't wait to run into oldschool TB's that try to jungle and rush a Skadi.

I seriously miss Zeal ... pugna's is not the same -.-
Im daed. Follow me @TL_NB
BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
January 29 2014 02:42 GMT
#95140
zeal was so awesome >_<
is 2017, stop being lame, fuck's sakes. 'Can't wait for the rise of the cakes and humanity's last stand tbqh.'
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