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On December 06 2013 10:04 icystorage wrote:
there is actually a user named NotYango
damn Yango avoiding wasting his 20k
wait what. when did he join
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On December 06 2013 10:04 icystorage wrote:
there is actually a user named NotYango
damn Yango avoiding wasting his 20k
Na bro that dude is not Yango, it couldnt be more obvious
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On December 06 2013 12:41 Darkren wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2013 10:04 icystorage wrote:
there is actually a user named NotYango
damn Yango avoiding wasting his 20k Na bro that dude is not Yango, it couldnt be more obvious
He meta-leveled being not yango by linking some dota2 dev thread, so people would actually think he's yango. Pretty good cover but TL detective squad is too sharp for him.
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He doesn't have Yango's voice or mannerisms.
I mean, it's possible it is Yango intentionally posting differently to confuse us, but at that point it's way too meta for me.
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On December 06 2013 13:19 Belisarius wrote:
He doesn't have Yango's voice or mannerisms.
I mean, it's possible it is Yango intentionally posting differently to confuse us, but at that point it's way too meta for me.
he did register yesterday december 5 and yango has stopped posting a few days ago... yango pls.
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On December 06 2013 13:19 Belisarius wrote:
He doesn't have Yango's voice or mannerisms.
I mean, it's possible it is Yango intentionally posting differently to confuse us, but at that point it's way too meta for me.
Insert "drums" "smooth" and bam you sound like yango.
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I just sold items on the market for 7.42$, what DO I BUY!!!!!!!!!!????? taking suggestion!!!!!
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On December 06 2013 14:46 NB wrote:
I just sold items on the market for 7.42$, what DO I BUY!!!!!!!!!!????? taking suggestion!!!!!
More items clearly.
That being said, first Luna set is pretty cool, gives me hope for the next ones to come out. Still really want that violet Enchantress set though.
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On December 06 2013 13:19 Belisarius wrote:
He doesn't have Yango's voice or mannerisms.
I mean, it's possible it is Yango intentionally posting differently to confuse us, but at that point it's way too meta for me.
A man that normally carries around a badge and a big hammer could quite possibly sound different when he's not donning them.
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On December 06 2013 15:11 cecek wrote:I need to buy this: + Show Spoiler +. It's so bad, it's amazing!
Its going to be fun when people start mixing sets to create monsters
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How is speed going to play d2cl finals if they are in China?
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On December 06 2013 06:44 BurningSera wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2013 06:17 devilesk wrote:On December 06 2013 06:11 hariooo wrote:On December 06 2013 06:05 SKC wrote:On December 06 2013 06:02 hariooo wrote:On December 06 2013 05:54 SKC wrote:On December 06 2013 05:53 hariooo wrote:On December 06 2013 05:47 SKC wrote:On December 06 2013 05:45 hariooo wrote:On December 06 2013 05:39 SKC wrote:
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The fact he queues with someone doesn't really change how good of a player he is. It means the average MMR of all players in those games are going to be lower than if he was solo q'ing. DSR is to some significant extent (from the creator's mouth) based off that value. I can't imagine Bulldog going EE-levels of tryhard in those kinds of games either, so it shouldn't shock anyone that he might have a lower DSR compared to pubstars. 2GD is a pubstar? Just because Admiral Bulldogs MMR is lower than it could be doesn't mean he should be that low. They also don't queue exclusivelly with each other. 2GD has even talked about how his games are very diferent when he doesn't stack with Draskyl. His MMR isn't that high at all. Right but MMR and DSR are different measures and not directly comparable as far as I know. If 2GD frequently stacks with people of higher MMR than him and Bulldog frequently stacks with people of lower MMR than him, this is an explanation for the difference in DSR's. Oh, sure, that could definatelly be the reason why they are diferent. Which is also why Dota Skill Rating is a shit Skill Rating if it doesn't rate skill. I don't think anyone is arguing MMR and DSR are not very diferent from each other. At least this is more debatable. Think about if LeBron James only played street ball with his friends. He's undoubtedly really good, but it's near impossible to determine his full skill potential at pro level using any rating system. It sounds like DSR is only valid for solo q'd games. This can be a weakness of course, or you could just consider that its results are only valid under certain circumstances. I don't see how useful a stat that only works in circumstances that don't exist can be. Almost noone plays solo queue exclusivelly, and the website is definatelly not making the distinction. It just means the currest rating is useless. And that's giving the benefit of the doubt that it would actually work in this imaginary scenario. There's been enough evidence (DSR predicting wins at high percent is the big one) that I believe DSR works in the optimal scenario (solo Q for last 20 games against other solo q'ers). The fact that it loses a lot of its accuracy under suboptimal conditions is certainly a disadvantage. It's the most legitimate complaint I've heard against it all thread. How is 65% high? Flipping a coin already gets you 50%. We have no other data to compare it to. How does DSR fare compared to other basic stats with respect to predicting game outcomes? Basically you and the creator claim that 65% is statistically significant. I haven't seen any actual reason as to why it is. Nobody laughs at my ass joke that i posted earlier  Show nested quote +On December 05 2013 21:34 BurningSera wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On December 05 2013 19:01 hariooo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2013 18:45 BurningSera wrote:On December 05 2013 17:58 hariooo wrote:On December 05 2013 17:42 BurningSera wrote:On December 05 2013 17:08 hariooo wrote:On December 05 2013 15:44 njt7 wrote:
The only way to comparatively use DSR effectively is against yourself for later references. Comparing against others wont give you anything good. And the site is still in massive beta from the looks of it so your DSR number might change just for the worst just from patching.
The developer seems decent so in the future it might be useful but all of these different rating numbers is usually worthless for self improvement its dangerous to get caught in pointless ego boosting. If people actually want to improve their play they should watch their own replays and analyze as well as watching specific heroes/roles played by the best(pros) and try to emulate. Most important is probably to try to find people to play with/ against who is already better then you.
Not sure why I went on this rant but Im getting tired of this DSR/Dotabuff mania going on. Of course you can compare it to other people. It's also the whole basis of why DSR can predict the winner of a game. On December 05 2013 15:48 Staboteur wrote:On December 05 2013 15:21 FakeDeath wrote:
So I just tried out this mydotaskill.com thing everyone is talking about.
My DSR is 954 Emerald whatever that means.
Can this be taken as a legit base line of your skill level?
Not like a true indicator but more of where u stand in the dota ladder?
Though I wonder how they actually calculated your DSR.
What is the difference between this and Valve internal rating? DSR's gone through 3 or so iterations where they adjust the algorithms to produce new and exciting numbers that may or may not mean a damn thing to anyone at all. They're not a good indicator of skill. By the site's only admission, it is only able to predict the winner of any given game correctly 65% of the time. Seeing as that's only 15% better than a blind guess over many iterations, I'd say it is still pretty damn inaccurate. People who don't have a background in statistics need to stop saying things like this. 65% prediction accuracy over a large sample is RIDICULOUS and if that 65% is proven to be true it is clearly evidence of DSR's accuracy. It would be a statistical fact except people who don't study stats can't be convinced because they can't understand the proof. I dont think any of that matters when most of the player profile is set to be hidden by default. Meanwhile, Player number 34176943 DSR is: 1275 This player has a Pro DSR score (top 0,5%). >_> and my smurf now is 460. I am entertained enough by now, that will be the last time i visit the site. and i fcking respect the people behind dotabuff now. http://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/1s4ezx/mydotaskillcom_and_why_it_should_be_ignored/cdtubbcHidden profiles shouldn't matter. Yes it does very much so matters, unless some people just wanted a number to say something meaningless about their skill/ranking then it shouldn't matter to them i guess (or anything matters to them in that case, hence the ridiculous ranking from the website). You can talk about fancy stats techniques etc but in the end of day I hope people know that the site is a joke lol (a bigger joke than DBR if you must, and i actually respect the stats guys behind dotabuff now because they actually have the self-respect and morale as some statisticians. say 1000 out of 100000 players are actual top class player, ill give you 800 of them have the profile opened for public because high level players surely care about their ranking (obviously i am being very generous here, go search dendi pub games you will almost always find 1-5 players that are anonymous), so in this case there are 200 top class players that will never be included in the stats results, ie the ranking of these 800 players will forever be not accurate because we know there are differences between top top top top class players and top class players. and then lets say 40000 out of the remaining 99000 players have made their profile public, that's a very generous number because that would mean almost 40% of the players are showing their profile. I think I'll stop here now because if you still think that DSR means anything then there is nothing more i say can persuade you to think otherwise lol. p/s: i am guessing that DSR is using somesort of 'curve fitting' model to 'predict' people rankings but in this case of dota2 player pool, it wont be a meaningful curve. Holy fuck. You're trying to argue against something that already happens in real life. Let me see if I can break this down really simply for you with a braindead example. When your country (I'm assuming the UK does these) conducts a census of the population, they do not collect data from every single person living in the UK. They collect an INCOMPLETE data set. Yet they can still draw conclusions from that data set like who the expect certain demographics to vote for, if there is mass migration from rural to urban districts, etc. Here's another example because of how adamantly you want to argue on a topic with which you clearly have no academic or professional experience. When Nate Silver perfectly predicted the 9 swing states for the US 2012 election, I PROMISE YOU he did not collect data from every single voter in those states. Drawing accurate conclusions from incomplete data is done ubiquitously all over the world in many different fields. DOTA2 is just one of them. You still dont get it do you. I'll put it in another angle to read my post:
'DSR is for some people who just wanted a number to say something about their skill/ranking'.
Of course it depends on how well one is convinced from that website but in reality that 'something' can be pretty meaningless. How meaningless it can be? nobody knows.
I am not even talking about the absolute accuracy here, i am talking about a convincing ranking. The fact that the website is telling people to stop stacking with noob friends in order to get a higher ranking means that they cant be sure of your skill level if you stacked. Valve who has all the real stats couldn't figure out a good MM to work (they will need to make a good ranking system behind to do so) and some magical website somehow capable to achieve that?
Funny because i am doing some population-based cohort study of some patients of a city so clearly I don't know anything about statistics.
Can we now back to talk about TC's obsession of the white tiger.
Of course he can, he just have to run his algorithm to predict already finished matches and see how often he's correct.
Anyway his code is annoying to read, it seems it uses a lot of parameters, for instance if I read it correctly he extract dotabuff heroes winrate, I guess he's using that somewhere to determine if you're above or below (but in 20 matches it seems hard so he must use winrate in a different way)
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Anyone getting their items bugged out?
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On December 06 2013 18:37 igotmyown wrote:
Anyone getting their items bugged out?
Same here, mouse over inventory doesn't pop any tooltips up.
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On December 06 2013 19:27 Oktyabr wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2013 18:37 igotmyown wrote:
Anyone getting their items bugged out? Same here, mouse over inventory doesn't pop any tooltips up.
Yep, me and my friends have this since today as well.
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On December 06 2013 18:13 MrCon wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2013 06:44 BurningSera wrote:On December 06 2013 06:17 devilesk wrote:On December 06 2013 06:11 hariooo wrote:On December 06 2013 06:05 SKC wrote:On December 06 2013 06:02 hariooo wrote:On December 06 2013 05:54 SKC wrote:On December 06 2013 05:53 hariooo wrote:On December 06 2013 05:47 SKC wrote:On December 06 2013 05:45 hariooo wrote:
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It means the average MMR of all players in those games are going to be lower than if he was solo q'ing. DSR is to some significant extent (from the creator's mouth) based off that value. I can't imagine Bulldog going EE-levels of tryhard in those kinds of games either, so it shouldn't shock anyone that he might have a lower DSR compared to pubstars. 2GD is a pubstar? Just because Admiral Bulldogs MMR is lower than it could be doesn't mean he should be that low. They also don't queue exclusivelly with each other. 2GD has even talked about how his games are very diferent when he doesn't stack with Draskyl. His MMR isn't that high at all. Right but MMR and DSR are different measures and not directly comparable as far as I know. If 2GD frequently stacks with people of higher MMR than him and Bulldog frequently stacks with people of lower MMR than him, this is an explanation for the difference in DSR's. Oh, sure, that could definatelly be the reason why they are diferent. Which is also why Dota Skill Rating is a shit Skill Rating if it doesn't rate skill. I don't think anyone is arguing MMR and DSR are not very diferent from each other. At least this is more debatable. Think about if LeBron James only played street ball with his friends. He's undoubtedly really good, but it's near impossible to determine his full skill potential at pro level using any rating system. It sounds like DSR is only valid for solo q'd games. This can be a weakness of course, or you could just consider that its results are only valid under certain circumstances. I don't see how useful a stat that only works in circumstances that don't exist can be. Almost noone plays solo queue exclusivelly, and the website is definatelly not making the distinction. It just means the currest rating is useless. And that's giving the benefit of the doubt that it would actually work in this imaginary scenario. There's been enough evidence (DSR predicting wins at high percent is the big one) that I believe DSR works in the optimal scenario (solo Q for last 20 games against other solo q'ers). The fact that it loses a lot of its accuracy under suboptimal conditions is certainly a disadvantage. It's the most legitimate complaint I've heard against it all thread. How is 65% high? Flipping a coin already gets you 50%. We have no other data to compare it to. How does DSR fare compared to other basic stats with respect to predicting game outcomes? Basically you and the creator claim that 65% is statistically significant. I haven't seen any actual reason as to why it is. Nobody laughs at my ass joke that i posted earlier On December 05 2013 21:34 BurningSera wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On December 05 2013 19:01 hariooo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2013 18:45 BurningSera wrote:On December 05 2013 17:58 hariooo wrote:On December 05 2013 17:42 BurningSera wrote:On December 05 2013 17:08 hariooo wrote:On December 05 2013 15:44 njt7 wrote:
The only way to comparatively use DSR effectively is against yourself for later references. Comparing against others wont give you anything good. And the site is still in massive beta from the looks of it so your DSR number might change just for the worst just from patching.
The developer seems decent so in the future it might be useful but all of these different rating numbers is usually worthless for self improvement its dangerous to get caught in pointless ego boosting. If people actually want to improve their play they should watch their own replays and analyze as well as watching specific heroes/roles played by the best(pros) and try to emulate. Most important is probably to try to find people to play with/ against who is already better then you.
Not sure why I went on this rant but Im getting tired of this DSR/Dotabuff mania going on. Of course you can compare it to other people. It's also the whole basis of why DSR can predict the winner of a game. On December 05 2013 15:48 Staboteur wrote:On December 05 2013 15:21 FakeDeath wrote:
So I just tried out this mydotaskill.com thing everyone is talking about.
My DSR is 954 Emerald whatever that means.
Can this be taken as a legit base line of your skill level?
Not like a true indicator but more of where u stand in the dota ladder?
Though I wonder how they actually calculated your DSR.
What is the difference between this and Valve internal rating? DSR's gone through 3 or so iterations where they adjust the algorithms to produce new and exciting numbers that may or may not mean a damn thing to anyone at all. They're not a good indicator of skill. By the site's only admission, it is only able to predict the winner of any given game correctly 65% of the time. Seeing as that's only 15% better than a blind guess over many iterations, I'd say it is still pretty damn inaccurate. People who don't have a background in statistics need to stop saying things like this. 65% prediction accuracy over a large sample is RIDICULOUS and if that 65% is proven to be true it is clearly evidence of DSR's accuracy. It would be a statistical fact except people who don't study stats can't be convinced because they can't understand the proof. I dont think any of that matters when most of the player profile is set to be hidden by default. Meanwhile, Player number 34176943 DSR is: 1275 This player has a Pro DSR score (top 0,5%). >_> and my smurf now is 460. I am entertained enough by now, that will be the last time i visit the site. and i fcking respect the people behind dotabuff now. http://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/1s4ezx/mydotaskillcom_and_why_it_should_be_ignored/cdtubbcHidden profiles shouldn't matter. Yes it does very much so matters, unless some people just wanted a number to say something meaningless about their skill/ranking then it shouldn't matter to them i guess (or anything matters to them in that case, hence the ridiculous ranking from the website). You can talk about fancy stats techniques etc but in the end of day I hope people know that the site is a joke lol (a bigger joke than DBR if you must, and i actually respect the stats guys behind dotabuff now because they actually have the self-respect and morale as some statisticians. say 1000 out of 100000 players are actual top class player, ill give you 800 of them have the profile opened for public because high level players surely care about their ranking (obviously i am being very generous here, go search dendi pub games you will almost always find 1-5 players that are anonymous), so in this case there are 200 top class players that will never be included in the stats results, ie the ranking of these 800 players will forever be not accurate because we know there are differences between top top top top class players and top class players. and then lets say 40000 out of the remaining 99000 players have made their profile public, that's a very generous number because that would mean almost 40% of the players are showing their profile. I think I'll stop here now because if you still think that DSR means anything then there is nothing more i say can persuade you to think otherwise lol. p/s: i am guessing that DSR is using somesort of 'curve fitting' model to 'predict' people rankings but in this case of dota2 player pool, it wont be a meaningful curve. Holy fuck. You're trying to argue against something that already happens in real life. Let me see if I can break this down really simply for you with a braindead example. When your country (I'm assuming the UK does these) conducts a census of the population, they do not collect data from every single person living in the UK. They collect an INCOMPLETE data set. Yet they can still draw conclusions from that data set like who the expect certain demographics to vote for, if there is mass migration from rural to urban districts, etc. Here's another example because of how adamantly you want to argue on a topic with which you clearly have no academic or professional experience. When Nate Silver perfectly predicted the 9 swing states for the US 2012 election, I PROMISE YOU he did not collect data from every single voter in those states. Drawing accurate conclusions from incomplete data is done ubiquitously all over the world in many different fields. DOTA2 is just one of them. You still dont get it do you. I'll put it in another angle to read my post:
'DSR is for some people who just wanted a number to say something about their skill/ranking'.
Of course it depends on how well one is convinced from that website but in reality that 'something' can be pretty meaningless. How meaningless it can be? nobody knows.
I am not even talking about the absolute accuracy here, i am talking about a convincing ranking. The fact that the website is telling people to stop stacking with noob friends in order to get a higher ranking means that they cant be sure of your skill level if you stacked. Valve who has all the real stats couldn't figure out a good MM to work (they will need to make a good ranking system behind to do so) and some magical website somehow capable to achieve that?
Funny because i am doing some population-based cohort study of some patients of a city so clearly I don't know anything about statistics.
Can we now back to talk about TC's obsession of the white tiger. Of course he can, he just have to run his algorithm to predict already finished matches and see how often he's correct. Anyway his code is annoying to read, it seems it uses a lot of parameters, for instance if I read it correctly he extract dotabuff heroes winrate, I guess he's using that somewhere to determine if you're above or below (but in 20 matches it seems hard so he must use winrate in a different way)
ya the whole thing is just a silly impractical joke. and yes he can but that 'can' is just pointless, anyone can throw up a random number and says it is something else, statistical significance =/= pragmatic usefulness, a result that is considered significant not because it is important or meaningful (that's what the harioo guy keep repeating and i am lazy to reply on that). Anyway, the post from Excalibur sorta ended the topic so let's move on.
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On December 06 2013 20:07 solidbebe wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2013 19:27 Oktyabr wrote:On December 06 2013 18:37 igotmyown wrote:
Anyone getting their items bugged out? Same here, mouse over inventory doesn't pop any tooltips up. Yep, me and my friends have this since today as well.
Apparently a bug in the recent patch, expect a hotfix soonish
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On December 06 2013 14:46 NB wrote:
I just sold items on the market for 7.42$, what DO I BUY!!!!!!!!!!????? taking suggestion!!!!!
A cheeseburger?
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