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cilinder007
Slovenia7251 Posts
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NB
Netherlands12045 Posts
On April 18 2012 00:42 Noocta wrote: I guess getting a Cuirasse after Radiance could be good too ? But then, put it on the bear for more stats on him, or on sylla so you tank a bit better and still give the aura to the bear ? it depends on what phase in the game you are on... i often just get a vanguard after rad simply based on how squishy sylla is and i wana force teamfight early rather than late. AC is great to take down tower late game though. Once you past the ganking phase (22-30 mins) you should start putting items back on the hero bc you will be the main target. Overall: dont play sylla in pub. | ||
Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
Also vanguard after Radiance is a terrible idea, if you want hp just get the vit booster. | ||
flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
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Kznn
Brazil9072 Posts
On April 18 2012 00:55 flamewheel wrote: Cuirass after Radiance is pretty standard. Pretty much everything goes on the Bear. Lone Druid pretty much needs boots, wand, and a cloak. I normaly build the whole pipe after rad :3 it depends on the other team tho. | ||
Spicy_Curry
United States10573 Posts
On April 18 2012 00:51 Kipsate wrote: Make sure to get a cloak on Sylla, its only 550 gold and it provides alot of survivability for its cost. Also vanguard after Radiance is a terrible idea, if you want hp just get the vit booster. Armor is much better than a vanguard since the main reason you want to get vanguard on sylla is the mitigation. Sylla has a large hp pool and while increasing with a vanguard is nice, its not needed. A poor mans shield accomplishes the same thing while being cheaper if you really want the mitigation. Also, 2000g is a large sum to spend when you could buy two parts of AC with that much money which will increase the survivability of your bear much more. Syllabear generally shouldnt be infront during a teamfight since the leash range is so large on the bear. But I forget its NB's build, how can it be wrong :p | ||
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Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
And yes you are correct that sylla, in terms of raw hp should be fine with just a cloak if he positions himself well, however sometimes I suppose you will want more hp. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
Usually, your biggest worry should be some extremely mobile fed physical carry/semi-carry diving balls-out to kill you. Which is the kind of situation where Ghost Scepter is useful. | ||
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/7Qsl7.png) fuck yeah zeus And infact, god doesn't need lh, just a bottle and rune control. | ||
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Dattish
Sweden6297 Posts
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Spicy_Curry
United States10573 Posts
On April 18 2012 04:05 Dattish wrote: + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Kztsp.png) Dota is a team game? edit: fail image edit: good image Guys we dont need to see the size of your penis, it doesnt matter because we are terrible regardless of how good we think we are.  | ||
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Dattish
Sweden6297 Posts
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NB
Netherlands12045 Posts
also since we are comparing e-penis size: behold the imba abuse: + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/XFLCS.png) | ||
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Spicy_Curry
United States10573 Posts
On April 18 2012 04:16 NB wrote: so words on the streets have that songohan= kuroky and now playing for mouz.... he comes full circle | ||
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Alur
Denmark3900 Posts
On April 18 2012 04:16 NB wrote: so words on the streets have that songohan= kuroky and now playing for mouz.... By the word on the streets, do you mean the casters on the stream? | ||
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Yoshi-
Germany10227 Posts
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Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
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flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
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hunts
United States2113 Posts
He has no cc and no real escape mechanism, which makes it much harder to stay alive if caught out of position or in a bad battle, he has mana issues which IMO makes orchid almost necessary, low attack speed and armor which makes AC necessary, slow movement speed and no cc/stun which makes phase boots necessary. the build I've been liking to go is midas, phase, shadow blade, orchid, ac, domi, satanic. But it feels like by going for that build I'm useless in the mid game, and by the time I get my farm the other team is already fed off of the rest of my team. Any suggestions on this style of hard carry doom, or if I should just give up on trying to make it work? | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
I've never had issues playing syllabear in pubs, you just have to play him fairly differently. (Dual phase boots + orb of venom on bear, skip radiance if jungling). There's no way to get radiance before an opposing free farmer if you are in the jungle and once the bear is level 4 pushing outer towers becomes extremely easy with just phase boots - if a teamfight is about to break out and you don't have enough people/ your team is very behind you let the bear right click, do 3-400 damage to the tower, then return him to you once ports start coming in and run away (if he's about to die resummon him to you or just take the hit) while standing at max leash distance. Syllabear's ult gives him a ridiculous amount of extra hp and armor, and warcry adds +2/4/6 armor and +20/40/60 damage to you and your bear (remember this for teamfights and pushing towers). If fighting against a lineup who has really any magic damage coming your way at all a cloak is a must, and in between pushing towers it's farm farm farm. Phase boots on syllabear himself as well personally - he has max movespeed without ult form but without ult form he dies in like 2 nukes and as melee you want him to be able to move over creeps and other things people will try and juke you with. Also where to put the assault cuirass is a matter of preference, but where to put the parts while building it is less so. Putting the hyperstone on the bear makes roots more likely and lets him bash at towers really fast. The armors go on yourself generally. A syllabear with a dead bear isn't useless, but a dead sylla means a dead bear. If you're against ALL magic then maybe a hood first but that's a different story. I can't really think of a reason to put the armor items on the bear, he has has 3k hp and unless they're actually throwing CC spells constantly at him he should be able to just run back to you or get ported back due to how fast the thing is with rabid. And if your opponents are throwing stuns at a bear without a radiance I would really hope even your generic pub team can take advantage of it. Side note : Getting a midas on the bear delays your utility by a long time if you're jungling and if you're laning you shouldn't be able to get away with throwing away your first 2000 gold on an item that doesn't give you anything - and if you are able to get away with it go for a relic instead. (Realistically normal boots of speed on both of you should come ahead of everything after starting items. Syllabear has really high movement speed in non-ult form (315 vs 285 i think) and his bear has even higher after some points in synergy). | ||
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