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Yoshi-
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany10227 Posts
September 11 2013 20:28 GMT
#77261
Yea Valve should just write their UI in the Adobe Air.
Orome
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Switzerland11984 Posts
September 11 2013 20:54 GMT
#77262
Coming from Sc2 I'm still in complete awe at the functionality within the client. Centralised replay database, complete with auto-synced original commentary of tournament games? WAT? The UI could be the ugliest thing in the world and I'd still be amazed.
On a purely personal note, I'd like to show Yellow the beauty of infinitely repeating Starcraft 2 bunkers. -Boxer
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
September 11 2013 20:57 GMT
#77263
Considering the fact that the SC2 client managed to be an enormous step backwards from it's 10 year old predecessor... I darn well hope Dota beats it.

That doesn't really mean Dota's client is that excellent in terms of UI although I agree the functionality in a lot of ways is there.
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hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
September 11 2013 20:59 GMT
#77264
On September 12 2013 05:06 739 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2013 04:56 hzflank wrote:
Deleting my appcache folder fixed this for me.

It is pretty poor though. I only started playing Dota 2 a few weeks ago but I would have expected a lot more from valve. The UI of the matchmaking platform is terrible and there are many bugs with it. It is like it was coded by college kids and no QA was done.

What's wrong with UI of MM and what are the bugs? Tell me.


For example, on the friends list the scroll bar extends below the bottom of the box. That is just sloppy work.

An example of a bug would be that sometimes when people buyback the buyback icon stays on screen, so next time they die I cannot see their timer.

If you look at the known issues list there are over 800 known bugs. That is horrendous and shows that their priorities are wrong (fix bugs before adding features).
Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
September 11 2013 21:00 GMT
#77265
On September 12 2013 05:59 hzflank wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2013 05:06 739 wrote:
On September 12 2013 04:56 hzflank wrote:
Deleting my appcache folder fixed this for me.

It is pretty poor though. I only started playing Dota 2 a few weeks ago but I would have expected a lot more from valve. The UI of the matchmaking platform is terrible and there are many bugs with it. It is like it was coded by college kids and no QA was done.

What's wrong with UI of MM and what are the bugs? Tell me.


For example, on the friends list the scroll bar extends below the bottom of the box. That is just sloppy work.

An example of a bug would be that sometimes when people buyback the buyback icon stays on screen, so next time they die I cannot see their timer.

If you look at the known issues list there are over 800 known bugs. That is horrendous and shows that their priorities are wrong (fix bugs before adding features).

a lot of those bugs are parity with WC3 bugs
welcome to dota, here's the mantra

its not a bug its a feature
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
September 11 2013 21:02 GMT
#77266
On September 12 2013 05:59 hzflank wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2013 05:06 739 wrote:
On September 12 2013 04:56 hzflank wrote:
Deleting my appcache folder fixed this for me.

It is pretty poor though. I only started playing Dota 2 a few weeks ago but I would have expected a lot more from valve. The UI of the matchmaking platform is terrible and there are many bugs with it. It is like it was coded by college kids and no QA was done.

What's wrong with UI of MM and what are the bugs? Tell me.


For example, on the friends list the scroll bar extends below the bottom of the box. That is just sloppy work.

An example of a bug would be that sometimes when people buyback the buyback icon stays on screen, so next time they die I cannot see their timer.

If you look at the known issues list there are over 800 known bugs. That is horrendous and shows that their priorities are wrong (fix bugs before adding features).

Not really.

If you look at the features they added, a lot of them are related to adding functionality and preparing for release / make it as successful of a release as possible. A lot of the bugs are less than noticable and affects < 1% of games or aren't significant enough of an effect to change.

Seems to have worked.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
September 11 2013 21:02 GMT
#77267
yeah but when I'm spectating a game and it looks like mid got pooled an AEGIS instead of a tango its pretty stupid.
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Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
September 11 2013 21:03 GMT
#77268
On September 12 2013 06:02 Sn0_Man wrote:
yeah but when I'm spectating a game and it looks like mid got pooled an AEGIS instead of a tango its pretty stupid.

Never had that problem before - PW severs?
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Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
September 11 2013 21:03 GMT
#77269
On September 12 2013 05:59 hzflank wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2013 05:06 739 wrote:
On September 12 2013 04:56 hzflank wrote:
Deleting my appcache folder fixed this for me.

It is pretty poor though. I only started playing Dota 2 a few weeks ago but I would have expected a lot more from valve. The UI of the matchmaking platform is terrible and there are many bugs with it. It is like it was coded by college kids and no QA was done.

What's wrong with UI of MM and what are the bugs? Tell me.


For example, on the friends list the scroll bar extends below the bottom of the box. That is just sloppy work.

An example of a bug would be that sometimes when people buyback the buyback icon stays on screen, so next time they die I cannot see their timer.

If you look at the known issues list there are over 800 known bugs. That is horrendous and shows that their priorities are wrong (fix bugs before adding features).


Being aware of a bug and being able to fix it are far from the same thing.
And how do you know that the people working on fixing bugs are the same people working on adding features?
From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
September 11 2013 21:05 GMT
#77270
On September 12 2013 06:03 Comeh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2013 06:02 Sn0_Man wrote:
yeah but when I'm spectating a game and it looks like mid got pooled an AEGIS instead of a tango its pretty stupid.

Never had that problem before - PW severs?

No, normal servers. Somebody else watching a game I was also watching had a branch show up as an aegis too. Its been going on since at least TI2 though.
Its primarily in DotaTV afaik.
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Acritter
Profile Joined August 2010
Syria7637 Posts
September 11 2013 21:18 GMT
#77271
I feel like a philistine. My checklist for the DOTA2 UI was just that the Find Match button works most of the time.
dont let your memes be dreams - konydora, motivational speaker | not actually living in syria
Iplaythings
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Denmark9110 Posts
September 11 2013 21:19 GMT
#77272
sooo why isn't ethblade + refresher + aghs invoker a thing?
In the woods, there lurks..
Excludos
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway8279 Posts
September 11 2013 21:20 GMT
#77273
On September 12 2013 06:19 Iplaythings wrote:
sooo why isn't ethblade + refresher + aghs invoker a thing?


I do believe by the time you have aghs and refresher on invoker, the game is sortof done already
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
September 11 2013 21:22 GMT
#77274
Because the best 2 items there are aghs refresher and once those are acquired you should either be incapable of losing a teamfight (aka winning practically immediately) or do nothing vs BKBs, neither of which change upon the purchase of Eblade.
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Shadowpostin
Profile Joined June 2012
Germany798 Posts
September 11 2013 21:25 GMT
#77275
dota players shouldn't really complain about the client,imo it's by far the best out there,at least out of the games I played a lot.
LoLs client in comparison is an abomination and it's really a disgrace that Riot can't be bothered to make a new one.(along with a replay system but w/e,i'm over that game for a long time now)
allow me to demonstrate the skill of shaolin
Iplaythings
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Denmark9110 Posts
September 11 2013 21:25 GMT
#77276
I am still very very curious why I've never seen it done, heck why not even a veil
In the woods, there lurks..
Acritter
Profile Joined August 2010
Syria7637 Posts
September 11 2013 21:30 GMT
#77277
On September 12 2013 06:25 Iplaythings wrote:
I am still very very curious why I've never seen it done, heck why not even a veil

Invoker can't invoke Greevil's Greed.
dont let your memes be dreams - konydora, motivational speaker | not actually living in syria
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-11 21:31:46
September 11 2013 21:31 GMT
#77278
And invoker (generally) wants mobility (blink/force) on a fairly high priority.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
cilinder007
Profile Joined August 2010
Slovenia7251 Posts
September 11 2013 21:44 GMT
#77279
On September 12 2013 06:25 Iplaythings wrote:
I am still very very curious why I've never seen it done, heck why not even a veil

watch dendi
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-11 22:01:57
September 11 2013 21:56 GMT
#77280
On September 12 2013 06:00 Shaella wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2013 05:59 hzflank wrote:
On September 12 2013 05:06 739 wrote:
On September 12 2013 04:56 hzflank wrote:
Deleting my appcache folder fixed this for me.

It is pretty poor though. I only started playing Dota 2 a few weeks ago but I would have expected a lot more from valve. The UI of the matchmaking platform is terrible and there are many bugs with it. It is like it was coded by college kids and no QA was done.

What's wrong with UI of MM and what are the bugs? Tell me.


For example, on the friends list the scroll bar extends below the bottom of the box. That is just sloppy work.

An example of a bug would be that sometimes when people buyback the buyback icon stays on screen, so next time they die I cannot see their timer.

If you look at the known issues list there are over 800 known bugs. That is horrendous and shows that their priorities are wrong (fix bugs before adding features).

a lot of those bugs are parity with WC3 bugs
welcome to dota, here's the mantra

its not a bug its a feature

This, virtually every bug that's not under the "Severe" category (those represent stuff that's quite literally game-breaking) are not broken functionality but simply differences between WC3 DotA and DotA 2. Valve and Icefrog's stance is that we should consider those "bugs", but by a developer's standards, most would not be considered bugs as they are not broken functionality.

If it weren't for Valve's goal to duplicate DotA 1's functionality almost entirely (which is quite rare for a developer to do to begin with), all of those would be "the way things are".

On September 12 2013 06:25 Iplaythings wrote:
I am still very very curious why I've never seen it done, heck why not even a veil

Invoker doesn't actually have the mana to cast everything off Agha Refresher unless they're basically his last 2 items (even Agha by itself is hard to support unless you have 1-2 major Int items already), plus Agha is not that impactful on Invoker prior to rank 4 Invoke.

Casting all 10 spells twice plus activating Refresher would cost upwards of 3000 mana.
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