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archonOOid
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Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
Beastmaster had an urn and killed off the shadowdemon, he used an urn charge to do so, it was ticking SD down Just before SD died, he used disruption on Beastmaster, so that when SD died Beastmaster was ''banished''. He got no urn charges or EXP from the kill, is this intended? | ||
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Ack1027
United States7873 Posts
Similarly, I predicted a long ass time ago that OD would see high level play because you could lock people out of xp range/xp in a solo mid situation. But this never happened.....people didn't pick OD in competitive games till years later cuz he is easily ganked and there are better mids. I just wanted him to be used I guess cuz I liked how you could prison a ganker if the other solo mid didn't have a stun/trap. | ||
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Yoshi-
Germany10227 Posts
You dont get xp from denies however. | ||
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rabidch
United States20289 Posts
On April 13 2012 07:07 Ack1027 wrote: In war3 it was intended because it took the unit off the map [ or at least the map area ]. So essentially yes, because of the limitations of the engine. Don't know if Icefrog wanted it to be that way. Similarly, I predicted a long ass time ago that OD would see high level play because you could lock people out of xp range/xp in a solo mid situation. But this never happened.....people didn't pick OD in competitive games till years later cuz he is easily ganked and there are better mids. I just wanted him to be used I guess cuz I liked how you could prison a ganker if the other solo mid didn't have a stun/trap. i never thought tc would make it back to compet play in his current state. boy i was wrong. | ||
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Ack1027
United States7873 Posts
Such a beastly hero. | ||
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rabidch
United States20289 Posts
On April 13 2012 07:36 Ack1027 wrote: People just can't read skills for heroes like TC and understand that after he stuns multiple people you LEAVE THEM ALONE till TC walks up there. Such a beastly hero. no its mostly his giant ultimate which splits the earth and swallows everybody near it | ||
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Ack1027
United States7873 Posts
I'm just referring to heroes like TC not being used in comp till practice in private games or pubbing and figuring out how to play him. I mean it was hard to develop TC for a comp game when in pubs 99% of your teammates will NOT WAIT for your ulti to hit after you stun multiple targets. Their first instinct is to attack or blow all their nukes on one person. Multiple stun + ulti slow is what allows TC to demolish. And when his ulti is down [ no slow ], its his teammates NOT ATTACKING that allows him to run up and rape with his + damage. | ||
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dragonborn
4781 Posts
This is TC for you | ||
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Zhiroo
Kosovo2724 Posts
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Kupon3ss
時の回廊10066 Posts
On April 13 2012 07:44 Ack1027 wrote: I know what you mean. I'm just referring to heroes like TC not being used in comp till practice in private games or pubbing and figuring out how to play him. I mean it was hard to develop TC for a comp game when in pubs 99% of your teammates will NOT WAIT for your ulti to hit after you stun multiple targets. Their first instinct is to attack or blow all their nukes on one person. Multiple stun + ulti slow is what allows TC to demolish. And when his ulti is down [ no slow ], its his teammates NOT ATTACKING that allows him to run up and rape with his + damage. That and the best aura in the game | ||
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rabidch
United States20289 Posts
On April 13 2012 07:30 rabidch wrote: i never thought tc would make it back to compet play in his current state. boy i was wrong. oh what... these buffs just ninja'd me 6.72 - Ancestral Spirit cast range increased from 1000 to 1200 6.72 - Ancestral Spirit cooldown decreased from 19 to 16 6.72 - Ancestral Spirit now has a secondary ability that returns the spirit 6.71 - Movement speed increased by 5 6.68 - Natural Order aoe from 250 to 275 | ||
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gosuMalicE
Canada676 Posts
Ok for the build. I open with tangoes, slippers, and gg branches, and start with 1 point in nethertoxin for early lane control (the excess dmg allows you to get a lot more last hits/denys because you do more dmg then lane opponent). At lvl 2 I grab corrosive skin then 3 levels in his orb after that. I max orb at lvl 7 then max corrosive skin before maxing nethertoxin. In lane I usually grab a couple of wraith bands, wand, and boots by lvl 6/7 at this point I usually try to set up a gank on one or both sidelanes (if the oppurtunity is there) before returning mid to farm a bit more. I buy a vitality booster before finishing treads, and then I get a yasha & finish vanguard (order of these depends on opponent/teammate). After I have yasha & vanguard, I roam/gank and build a sanje for the tankiness and added movespeed of SnY. Lategame I grab a talisman of evasion to build halberd then a finish manta if it goes that far. Ideally my team will be roshing and giving me aegis. I find that building viper tanky like this allows me to be substantially more useful in teamfights then big agi/dmg items. Its nice to be able to be hooked and ulted by a fully fed & farmed pudge and still be able to destroy him with 50%+ hp remaining. Any questions/input would be appreciated. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
If I'm doing well in lane and don't need the HP regen, I'll grab Janggo on Viper. If I need the regen, I'll turn RoH into Hood rather than Vanguard. The Vit Booster can be saved for Heart. | ||
flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
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Esoterikk
Canada1256 Posts
Vit booster + Jango > vanguard | ||
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gosuMalicE
Canada676 Posts
On April 13 2012 09:57 TheYango wrote: I don't really like ranged vanguard after the nerfs. If I'm doing well in lane and don't need the HP regen, I'll grab Janggo on Viper. If I need the regen, I'll turn RoH into Hood rather than Vanguard. The Vit Booster can be saved for Heart. Well thats kind of the area i'm iffy about, I realize that the vit booster is really nice to have and usually build it into a vanguard because it gives more early tankiness when my inv is already full, and i dont feel heart is worth it for the $ on viper at least. Would it be viable to just get an ogre club instead of a vit booster, and use it to get an earlier SnY or perhaps an ult stick instead, and just skip the vanguard altogether? I've thought about it but im not sure if giving up that little bit of extra midgame tankiness would allow me to pull of the crazy ganks that i have been doing. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On April 13 2012 10:16 gosuMalicE wrote: Well thats kind of the area i'm iffy about, I realize that the vit booster is really nice to have and usually build it into a vanguard because it gives more early tankiness when my inv is already full, and i dont feel heart is worth it for the $ on viper at least. Would it be viable to just get an ogre club instead of a vit booster, and use it to get an earlier SnY or perhaps an ult stick instead, and just skip the vanguard altogether? I've thought about it but im not sure if giving up that little bit of extra midgame tankiness would allow me to pull of the crazy ganks that i have been doing. Heart is fantastic on Viper, especially if you're maxing skin second. | ||
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Kupon3ss
時の回廊10066 Posts
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gosuMalicE
Canada676 Posts
On April 13 2012 10:31 TheYango wrote: Heart is fantastic on Viper, especially if you're maxing skin second. Well compare Heart to Halberd + vit booster. Halberd + vit costs 500 gold less and trades -20str for +25 damage, +25%evasion and an amazing active capable of removing a carry from a fight. I have a hard time beleiveing heart is the better choice there. Not to mention that the time you are farming for a reaver makes you a little vulnerable midgame, Wich is where viper seems to shine the most. | ||
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