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deichkind
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden347 Posts
July 07 2013 23:25 GMT
#65261
and the opposing team has a shadow demon/disruptor as supports. Like i said a duo stun would F with her so bad early its not even funny. the orange(?) trilane of SD Lesh and SK would just destroy her lane, granted they F many lanes.

im not saying she cant be support but that she would phase out standard support is just ridiculous.
Excludos
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway8279 Posts
July 07 2013 23:25 GMT
#65262
On July 08 2013 08:21 Mataza wrote:
Guys, i have a much more important question:
If I want to go shrapnel spamming Sniper, what is the most effective build up?
First bit item is clearly orchids, but I'm not sure what to get before that.

I would prefer to get treads anyway, so I'm looking at soul ring, medaillon, ring of basilius and the like. I can tell without trying that a basi alone will not give close to enough mana, so aquila will not be happening. Need that sage mask to make one of the other mana items.
Any better ideas?


Ps: I still want to transition into a dps lategame build, hence an orchid instead of a bloodstone/sheepstick
PPs: "Don't play sniper" is not advice, neither is "go dagon/blink/euls blinking and slamming sniper"


If you absolutely want to go that god (awful) build, then you need a Soul Ring. No chance of getting by without it.

Then proceed into the normal sniper items. SB, Yasha, Deso, Crit, etc
CustomKal
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada749 Posts
July 07 2013 23:29 GMT
#65263
On July 08 2013 08:25 deichkind wrote:
and the opposing team has a shadow demon/disruptor as supports. Like i said a duo stun would F with her so bad early its not even funny. the orange(?) trilane of SD Lesh and SK would just destroy her lane, granted they F many lanes.

im not saying she cant be support but that she would phase out standard support is just ridiculous.


he's referring to the first game where they also played her, she did really well in lane and then proceeded to get a lot of carry potential to help the AM fight the Alch when they both had about 30k net worth.
Mataza
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany5364 Posts
July 07 2013 23:31 GMT
#65264
On July 08 2013 08:24 PrinceXizor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2013 08:21 Mataza wrote:
Guys, i have a much more important question:
If I want to go shrapnel spamming Sniper, what is the most effective build up?
First bit item is clearly orchids, but I'm not sure what to get before that.

I would prefer to get treads anyway, so I'm looking at soul ring, medaillon, ring of basilius and the like. I can tell without trying that a basi alone will not give close to enough mana, so aquila will not be happening. Need that sage mask to make one of the other mana items.
Any better ideas?


Ps: I still want to transition into a dps lategame build, hence an orchid instead of a bloodstone/sheepstick
PPs: "Don't play sniper" is not advice, neither is "go dagon/blink/euls blinking and slamming sniper"


I really really don't like orchid on sniper even if spamming shrapnel.

i'd honestly get aquila/treads/bottle/forcestaff/manta in some order based on what is reasonable and what is needed at the time. treads switching with aquila is enough to the t1 mid down really really fast, and all the t1's subsequently.

That sentence sounds like it came straight from Yango.
And it doesn't actually hold true for spells that cost 120 mana with a 15 second cooldown.
If nobody hates you, you´re doing something wrong. However someone hating you doesn´t make you right
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
July 07 2013 23:35 GMT
#65265
treads aquila drums bkb then w/e suits u
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
Witten
Profile Joined January 2011
United States2094 Posts
July 07 2013 23:36 GMT
#65266
On July 08 2013 08:25 deichkind wrote:
and the opposing team has a shadow demon/disruptor as supports. Like i said a duo stun would F with her so bad early its not even funny. the orange(?) trilane of SD Lesh and SK would just destroy her lane, granted they F many lanes.

im not saying she cant be support but that she would phase out standard support is just ridiculous.


I don't think there are a lot of heroes that excel in lanes against duo stuns, Naga Siren doesn't seem much worse than any other hero in that regard.
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deichkind
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden347 Posts
July 07 2013 23:39 GMT
#65267
thats my point, duo stuns are gold, rest are dependent on the situation and it doesnt matter how good she might be 30-40min in if you lost at that point becuase of poor lane stage.
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
July 07 2013 23:39 GMT
#65268
On July 08 2013 08:35 Erasme wrote:
treads aquila drums bkb then w/e suits u

This seems legitimate - probably should just be built similarly to how Luna is built. You can drop out the drums, leave out the RoB, or even go manta first in some games.

Honestly, though, I'm not sure how to build Sniper. He's a weird hero.
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CustomKal
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada749 Posts
July 07 2013 23:41 GMT
#65269
On July 08 2013 08:39 deichkind wrote:
thats my point, duo stuns are gold, rest are dependent on the situation and it doesnt matter how good she might be 30-40min in if you lost at that point becuase of poor lane stage.


except you're making it sound like she doesn't have a disable, doesn't' have a damage output and doesn't have lane mates. Put her in a lane that IS strong like tl did with wr and kotl and you don't have a weak lane at all. Double stun lanes are good yes, but naga works just as well in said lanes due to her damage output + lockdown.
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
July 07 2013 23:43 GMT
#65270
On July 08 2013 08:39 Comeh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2013 08:35 Erasme wrote:
treads aquila drums bkb then w/e suits u

This seems legitimate - probably should just be built similarly to how Luna is built. You can drop out the drums, leave out the RoB, or even go manta first in some games.

Honestly, though, I'm not sure how to build Sniper. He's a weird hero.

phase lothars mkb basher
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
July 07 2013 23:45 GMT
#65271
On July 08 2013 08:31 Mataza wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2013 08:24 PrinceXizor wrote:
On July 08 2013 08:21 Mataza wrote:
Guys, i have a much more important question:
If I want to go shrapnel spamming Sniper, what is the most effective build up?
First bit item is clearly orchids, but I'm not sure what to get before that.

I would prefer to get treads anyway, so I'm looking at soul ring, medaillon, ring of basilius and the like. I can tell without trying that a basi alone will not give close to enough mana, so aquila will not be happening. Need that sage mask to make one of the other mana items.
Any better ideas?


Ps: I still want to transition into a dps lategame build, hence an orchid instead of a bloodstone/sheepstick
PPs: "Don't play sniper" is not advice, neither is "go dagon/blink/euls blinking and slamming sniper"


I really really don't like orchid on sniper even if spamming shrapnel.

i'd honestly get aquila/treads/bottle/forcestaff/manta in some order based on what is reasonable and what is needed at the time. treads switching with aquila is enough to the t1 mid down really really fast, and all the t1's subsequently.

That sentence sounds like it came straight from Yango.
And it doesn't actually hold true for spells that cost 120 mana with a 15 second cooldown.

I have literally never had issues with that build. i mean maybe i run out of mana if i don't get any runes or ever bottle crow once, after i take the t1 mid. but..
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
July 07 2013 23:57 GMT
#65272
On July 08 2013 08:43 Erasme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2013 08:39 Comeh wrote:
On July 08 2013 08:35 Erasme wrote:
treads aquila drums bkb then w/e suits u

This seems legitimate - probably should just be built similarly to how Luna is built. You can drop out the drums, leave out the RoB, or even go manta first in some games.

Honestly, though, I'm not sure how to build Sniper. He's a weird hero.

phase lothars mkb basher

BoT's Lothars Blink Force staff imo
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Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
July 08 2013 00:01 GMT
#65273
.. no. The aim is to bash/ministun all the time
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
July 08 2013 00:22 GMT
#65274
On July 08 2013 09:01 Erasme wrote:
.. no. The aim is to bash/ministun all the time

then get treads not phase.
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
July 08 2013 00:26 GMT
#65275
phase is for chasing in case you weren't lucky
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
Mataza
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany5364 Posts
July 08 2013 00:39 GMT
#65276
Shrapnel is somehow never that strong against towers. 33% damage comes out to 160 per cast, given how much hp a tower has thats at least 10 casts per tower. It is a surprisingly effective teamfight spell though.
The much more diabolic use of mana for sniper is to spam assassinate on enemies though. Cooldown of just 20 seconds for an infinity range nuke is just plain evil.

Mana sniper felt overall much more impactful during the first 16 levels of the game.


And just now I found out that you can display advanced tooltips by holding alt. Holy crap, has that been there the whole time?
If nobody hates you, you´re doing something wrong. However someone hating you doesn´t make you right
Cool Cat
Profile Joined June 2009
United States1644 Posts
July 08 2013 00:54 GMT
#65277
why do so many weeaboos play dota
i've seen more anime pics playing dota than i have anywhere else
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-08 01:04:26
July 08 2013 01:03 GMT
#65278
On July 08 2013 09:54 Cool Cat wrote:
why do so many weeaboos play dota
i've seen more anime pics playing dota than i have anywhere else

dotalikes/arts/mobas are basically competitive mmos, weeaboos suck it up for e-cred
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Emnjay808
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States10666 Posts
July 08 2013 01:03 GMT
#65279
On July 08 2013 09:54 Cool Cat wrote:
why do so many weeaboos play dota
i've seen more anime pics playing dota than i have anywhere else

http://dotabuff.com/players/66408700

Problem?

Satsuki Shinonome is prolly the hottest anime chick in existance.
Skol
rebdomine
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
6040 Posts
July 08 2013 01:40 GMT
#65280
On July 08 2013 09:54 Cool Cat wrote:
why do so many weeaboos play dota
i've seen more anime pics playing dota than i have anywhere else


Doesn't Burning use an anime pic too? Does that mean you hate him too?
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