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WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
June 26 2013 00:46 GMT
#63681
On June 26 2013 09:33 kirsed wrote:
So what's up with these best of two group stages. Recently both the Defense and the Alienware Cup are using best of two group stages. I don't understand the point of them and as a viewer they make the series so incredibly meh when it ties. Not having a winner is just such a let down.

Bo2 is just a double round robin Bo1 format. The only reason they play twice in a row is scheduling.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
Mithhaike
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Singapore2759 Posts
June 26 2013 00:55 GMT
#63682
SpiritBreaker is the biggest winner from patch 6.78.(dotabuff)

It has the 4th most matches played, with a insane winrate of 58% ranked at 2nd, slightly below Warlock no.1 by merely 1% with far far far more games played..

Looks like I was right on how strong SB is right now, it's really insane to be honest. Seriously what happened to SB? Why did he suddenly become the monster that he is right now. Whenever I play it i feel like im the Juggernaut(Marvel), the unstoppable force.
Mew Mew Pew Pew
Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
June 26 2013 01:29 GMT
#63683
700 hp and 5 armor at lv1 is a pretty useful skill too havr
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
June 26 2013 01:37 GMT
#63684
On June 26 2013 09:33 kirsed wrote:
So what's up with these best of two group stages. Recently both the Defense and the Alienware Cup are using best of two group stages. I don't understand the point of them and as a viewer they make the series so incredibly meh when it ties. Not having a winner is just such a let down.

I really like BO2 because I don't really like to have a winner in group stages. Group stages is more about how you do against the field rather than trying to claim victory over a single team and seeing that Team A already beat Team B in the group stages makes a playoff in bracket less interesting.

In addition Dota is a long game and BO3 group stages are very time intensive, and BO1 makes it hard to adapt to the opposing team's style.
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Kraznaya
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3711 Posts
June 26 2013 01:46 GMT
#63685
yo yango can you explain why all these pros are going midas mirana

cant think of a good reason except its hard to kill you and really fuck over your midas timing
do you have enough resolve, hero of justice?
Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
June 26 2013 01:59 GMT
#63686
On June 26 2013 10:46 Kraznaya wrote:
yo yango can you explain why all these pros are going midas mirana

cant think of a good reason except its hard to kill you and really fuck over your midas timing

its for the EXP and because Mirana is very item dependent

Mirana needs the level boost like heck, she wants to max out every one of her skills,

Additionally, her low damage and low agi gain mean she's very item dependant to continue carrying

Furthermore, her earlygame damage is high enough from spells that she doesn't need an early/mid item to be effective then, so midas doesn't set her early game impact back by much
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
Acritter
Profile Joined August 2010
Syria7637 Posts
June 26 2013 02:05 GMT
#63687
On June 26 2013 09:55 Mithhaike wrote:
SpiritBreaker is the biggest winner from patch 6.78.(dotabuff)

It has the 4th most matches played, with a insane winrate of 58% ranked at 2nd, slightly below Warlock no.1 by merely 1% with far far far more games played..

Looks like I was right on how strong SB is right now, it's really insane to be honest. Seriously what happened to SB? Why did he suddenly become the monster that he is right now. Whenever I play it i feel like im the Juggernaut(Marvel), the unstoppable force.

It's probably the fact that a lot of very core heroes were nerfed, allowing the batch of buffs from 6.75 to go through.
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Kraznaya
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3711 Posts
June 26 2013 02:30 GMT
#63688
On June 26 2013 10:59 Shaella wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2013 10:46 Kraznaya wrote:
yo yango can you explain why all these pros are going midas mirana

cant think of a good reason except its hard to kill you and really fuck over your midas timing

its for the EXP and because Mirana is very item dependent

Mirana needs the level boost like heck, she wants to max out every one of her skills,

Additionally, her low damage and low agi gain mean she's very item dependant to continue carrying

Furthermore, her earlygame damage is high enough from spells that she doesn't need an early/mid item to be effective then, so midas doesn't set her early game impact back by much


i always saw it from the opposite perspective, ie, her strong early-mid game slant meant that you picked her to dominate that phase of the game and should build items to match. so i've always built items like phase bottle drums aquila deso yasha, even lothars before the nerf

if you were going to afk rice a lane with a ranged carry i dont really see the advantage of mirana vs something like a gyro or luna; i dont feel like the global ult really changes enough to sway me to pick a mirana to build midas

maybe im missing something here
do you have enough resolve, hero of justice?
Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
June 26 2013 02:32 GMT
#63689
Mana boots lothars potmbotm 4 life
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
Kraznaya
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3711 Posts
June 26 2013 02:37 GMT
#63690
On June 26 2013 11:32 Kupon3ss wrote:
Mana boots lothars potmbotm 4 life


hi mushi
do you have enough resolve, hero of justice?
Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
June 26 2013 02:46 GMT
#63691
i actually really enjoy the manaboots style build on PotM, she really does make good use of the mana
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
June 26 2013 03:02 GMT
#63692
On June 26 2013 09:55 Mithhaike wrote:
SpiritBreaker is the biggest winner from patch 6.78.(dotabuff)

It has the 4th most matches played, with a insane winrate of 58% ranked at 2nd, slightly below Warlock no.1 by merely 1% with far far far more games played..

Looks like I was right on how strong SB is right now, it's really insane to be honest. Seriously what happened to SB? Why did he suddenly become the monster that he is right now. Whenever I play it i feel like im the Juggernaut(Marvel), the unstoppable force.

because noone cares to place wards, watch the minimap, or tp to save an ally ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
RuskiPanda
Profile Joined December 2011
United States2906 Posts
June 26 2013 03:04 GMT
#63693
/yeah against a coordinated team he's pretty awful and he still can't carry lategame so vs a turtle lineup you autolose.
Fwizzz
Profile Joined May 2012
Philippines4420 Posts
June 26 2013 03:07 GMT
#63694
No one tried battllefury on potm? It's legit. Good damage and nice hp/mp regen. Just ignore the cleave.
Mithhaike
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Singapore2759 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-26 03:11:52
June 26 2013 03:08 GMT
#63695
On June 26 2013 12:04 RuskiPanda wrote:
/yeah against a coordinated team he's pretty awful and he still can't carry lategame so vs a turtle lineup you autolose.

He's not a carry i agree,but he's a anti-carry. He can lockdown a enemy carry easily with his greater bash. It's like how razor isn't a carry, rather it counters them via static link stealing damage.

BTW it doesnt matter that the enemy teleports in to save his allies, provided you also have allies too(not talking about solo dive towers). If you throw in BKB, that is still going to be a won engagement because of how strong SB combo is especially with a BKB.
As for observers etc, there's always runes/smoke/lothar. You speak of it like there's no way to gank at all, this arguement should be used against all mid ganker heroes then, afterall there's wards/teleport in to save allies/mini map watching too amirite Erasme? Then there should be no use to pick a ganker hero ever. Afterall there's wards/teleportation/mini map watching!

You guys should try the new SB. Feels good man,seriously.
Mew Mew Pew Pew
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-26 03:17:41
June 26 2013 03:14 GMT
#63696
if you make your argument around the fact that sb has a lot of items and the other team doesnt, it won't go anywhere
ive played the new sb extensively, you still have a hero that cannot flash farm and he only has one 'teamfight' ability : charge. He's still reliant on the other team to not have any ward placed or to not tp.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
Tephus
Profile Joined May 2011
Cascadia1754 Posts
June 26 2013 03:56 GMT
#63697
On June 26 2013 12:07 Fwizzz wrote:
No one tried battllefury on potm? It's legit. Good damage and nice hp/mp regen. Just ignore the cleave.

It only works if you get a vanguard and a linken's afterwards. Vlads as a luxury.
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Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
June 26 2013 04:27 GMT
#63698
On June 26 2013 12:56 Tephus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2013 12:07 Fwizzz wrote:
No one tried battllefury on potm? It's legit. Good damage and nice hp/mp regen. Just ignore the cleave.

It only works if you get a vanguard and a linken's afterwards. Vlads as a luxury.

When do you build basher, though?
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icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19350 Posts
June 26 2013 04:31 GMT
#63699
On June 26 2013 13:27 Comeh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2013 12:56 Tephus wrote:
On June 26 2013 12:07 Fwizzz wrote:
No one tried battllefury on potm? It's legit. Good damage and nice hp/mp regen. Just ignore the cleave.

It only works if you get a vanguard and a linken's afterwards. Vlads as a luxury.

When do you build basher, though?

after you bought refresher for the double arrow + basher perma stun (quad starfall is just a bonus)
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Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
June 26 2013 04:44 GMT
#63700
>linkens is a bad item

Here we go again.
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