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Fwizzz
Profile Joined May 2012
Philippines4420 Posts
June 24 2013 14:12 GMT
#63381
MLP will sponsor TL now.
teapoted
Profile Joined August 2012
United Kingdom24425 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-24 14:19:54
June 24 2013 14:16 GMT
#63382
On June 24 2013 22:53 cecek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2013 21:48 teapoted wrote:
On June 24 2013 21:44 dfs wrote:
On June 24 2013 19:16 teapoted wrote:


Does anything think this could be someone except the capitalist?

Who cares.
Tobi is getting quite annoying with his "guess what guy will be unfortunate enough to cast with me next!".
I care, because this isn't about who's casting with Tobi this is about who's covering their events when he's gone or when they have multiple events. It's about expanding. And although I can live with listening to the Russian casts, most people just don't watch if it's someone like Epi casting. And that has already and will continue to bring jD down. And jD is still a big source of viewership for the western scene so what they do is important regardless if you want them to succeed or not. They are incompetent, but they are important, and adding a full-time caster for jD is the biggest news they've had for a year.

But, you don't care, you've said this on multiple occasions, I get it.

Does joinDOTA need another caster? They already have Epi, who I thik is not a bad caster, but he just doesn't get any space at all. The only matches I've seen him cast are bad simultaneous bigpoint games nobody cares about. joinDOTA does nothing to promote him. They will for example postpone The Defense matches when Tobi is busy casting Starladder. They just want Tobi to cast everything. A different joinDOTA caster is never going to kick off, because joinDOTA trained their viewers to think that if the match is worth watching - Tobi will be casting it, if it;s not worth watching - a different jD caster will cover it. A new caster won't change anything, unless joinDOTA changes this approach.
I completely agree with you that jD will have a problem with new casters for the reasons you explained, but I still think they definitely need one or two. Epi is an okay caster but he just hasn't gained any interest from fans. I don't think that's completely because he's not in the limelight (didn't he do all of the defense group stages last year when Tobi was in Asia for like 3 weeks?). I think if Epi was someone like Triumph, the same amount of exposure would have been enough.

jD also need to get somewhere closer to the level of like BTS or there's no reason for people to approach them with new projects. And that means they need more people.

I don't even think the competition against jD at the moment is all that strong. GDStudio only do like 2 events per year, BTS is 80% asian events. D2L is pretty much the biggest thing jD competes against. And I think that space is going to get a lot tougher next year.
Once you Goblak...
BlitzerSC
Profile Joined May 2011
Italy8800 Posts
June 24 2013 14:18 GMT
#63383
On June 24 2013 22:23 AwfuL_ wrote:
So apparently Versuta has been banned from Twitch for illegally casting the Alienware cup.
Don't have a source other than Reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/1gyrdk/versuta_got_banned_for_illegal_casting_alienware/
I wonder who will cast TPL now, if I'm not mistaken he is their official Russian caster.


Again ?!?!?!? This guy never learns.
dfs
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Russian Federation4050 Posts
June 24 2013 14:21 GMT
#63384
On June 24 2013 23:18 BlitzerSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2013 22:23 AwfuL_ wrote:
So apparently Versuta has been banned from Twitch for illegally casting the Alienware cup.
Don't have a source other than Reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/1gyrdk/versuta_got_banned_for_illegal_casting_alienware/
I wonder who will cast TPL now, if I'm not mistaken he is their official Russian caster.


Again ?!?!?!? This guy never learns.

He got what was coming for him, and this time without the mess with Tobi and all that.
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Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-24 14:44:38
June 24 2013 14:44 GMT
#63385
Has anyone's dota been crashing with relatively large frequence as of 1.5 weeks ago (most of the time while in lobby / while queuing, not while ingame)?
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cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
June 24 2013 14:59 GMT
#63386
On June 24 2013 23:16 teapoted wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2013 22:53 cecek wrote:
On June 24 2013 21:48 teapoted wrote:
On June 24 2013 21:44 dfs wrote:
On June 24 2013 19:16 teapoted wrote:
https://twitter.com/TobiWanDOTA/status/349043772207800321

Does anything think this could be someone except the capitalist?

Who cares.
Tobi is getting quite annoying with his "guess what guy will be unfortunate enough to cast with me next!".
I care, because this isn't about who's casting with Tobi this is about who's covering their events when he's gone or when they have multiple events. It's about expanding. And although I can live with listening to the Russian casts, most people just don't watch if it's someone like Epi casting. And that has already and will continue to bring jD down. And jD is still a big source of viewership for the western scene so what they do is important regardless if you want them to succeed or not. They are incompetent, but they are important, and adding a full-time caster for jD is the biggest news they've had for a year.

But, you don't care, you've said this on multiple occasions, I get it.

Does joinDOTA need another caster? They already have Epi, who I thik is not a bad caster, but he just doesn't get any space at all. The only matches I've seen him cast are bad simultaneous bigpoint games nobody cares about. joinDOTA does nothing to promote him. They will for example postpone The Defense matches when Tobi is busy casting Starladder. They just want Tobi to cast everything. A different joinDOTA caster is never going to kick off, because joinDOTA trained their viewers to think that if the match is worth watching - Tobi will be casting it, if it;s not worth watching - a different jD caster will cover it. A new caster won't change anything, unless joinDOTA changes this approach.
I completely agree with you that jD will have a problem with new casters for the reasons you explained, but I still think they definitely need one or two. Epi is an okay caster but he just hasn't gained any interest from fans. I don't think that's completely because he's not in the limelight (didn't he do all of the defense group stages last year when Tobi was in Asia for like 3 weeks?). I think if Epi was someone like Triumph, the same amount of exposure would have been enough.

jD also need to get somewhere closer to the level of like BTS or there's no reason for people to approach them with new projects. And that means they need more people.

I don't even think the competition against jD at the moment is all that strong. GDStudio only do like 2 events per year, BTS is 80% asian events. D2L is pretty much the biggest thing jD competes against. And I think that space is going to get a lot tougher next year.

Eh, I think you're overrating the importance of casters, tbh. The last 2 days, Tobi was streaming Bigpoint and he barely got over 10k viewers even in the finals. Blaze gets flamed all the time, but TPL gets pretty good numbers nowadays. About Epi, I think the fact that he doesn't get any space is precisely the problem. I like him as a caster, but I think I watched him maybe three times in total, because he doesn't cast anything worthwhile. And no, last years The Defense groupstages don't count as limelight, especially when it was scheduled so that Tobi doesn't miss as many highprofile matches as possible. I mean, maybe if they gave him Starladder matches to cast, he could get some viewers going. Even Sheever gets high viewers from Starladder from time to time.

joinDOTA's coverage needs to start looking more like it's from a studio, right now it's Tobi in front of a camera. And you're right, more people would help with that, so maybe that's what they need.
super gg
Yoshi-
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany10227 Posts
June 24 2013 15:22 GMT
#63387
On June 24 2013 23:59 cecek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2013 23:16 teapoted wrote:
On June 24 2013 22:53 cecek wrote:
On June 24 2013 21:48 teapoted wrote:
On June 24 2013 21:44 dfs wrote:
On June 24 2013 19:16 teapoted wrote:
https://twitter.com/TobiWanDOTA/status/349043772207800321

Does anything think this could be someone except the capitalist?

Who cares.
Tobi is getting quite annoying with his "guess what guy will be unfortunate enough to cast with me next!".
I care, because this isn't about who's casting with Tobi this is about who's covering their events when he's gone or when they have multiple events. It's about expanding. And although I can live with listening to the Russian casts, most people just don't watch if it's someone like Epi casting. And that has already and will continue to bring jD down. And jD is still a big source of viewership for the western scene so what they do is important regardless if you want them to succeed or not. They are incompetent, but they are important, and adding a full-time caster for jD is the biggest news they've had for a year.

But, you don't care, you've said this on multiple occasions, I get it.

Does joinDOTA need another caster? They already have Epi, who I thik is not a bad caster, but he just doesn't get any space at all. The only matches I've seen him cast are bad simultaneous bigpoint games nobody cares about. joinDOTA does nothing to promote him. They will for example postpone The Defense matches when Tobi is busy casting Starladder. They just want Tobi to cast everything. A different joinDOTA caster is never going to kick off, because joinDOTA trained their viewers to think that if the match is worth watching - Tobi will be casting it, if it;s not worth watching - a different jD caster will cover it. A new caster won't change anything, unless joinDOTA changes this approach.
I completely agree with you that jD will have a problem with new casters for the reasons you explained, but I still think they definitely need one or two. Epi is an okay caster but he just hasn't gained any interest from fans. I don't think that's completely because he's not in the limelight (didn't he do all of the defense group stages last year when Tobi was in Asia for like 3 weeks?). I think if Epi was someone like Triumph, the same amount of exposure would have been enough.

jD also need to get somewhere closer to the level of like BTS or there's no reason for people to approach them with new projects. And that means they need more people.

I don't even think the competition against jD at the moment is all that strong. GDStudio only do like 2 events per year, BTS is 80% asian events. D2L is pretty much the biggest thing jD competes against. And I think that space is going to get a lot tougher next year.

Eh, I think you're overrating the importance of casters, tbh. The last 2 days, Tobi was streaming Bigpoint and he barely got over 10k viewers even in the finals. Blaze gets flamed all the time, but TPL gets pretty good numbers nowadays. About Epi, I think the fact that he doesn't get any space is precisely the problem. I like him as a caster, but I think I watched him maybe three times in total, because he doesn't cast anything worthwhile. And no, last years The Defense groupstages don't count as limelight, especially when it was scheduled so that Tobi doesn't miss as many highprofile matches as possible. I mean, maybe if they gave him Starladder matches to cast, he could get some viewers going. Even Sheever gets high viewers from Starladder from time to time.

joinDOTA's coverage needs to start looking more like it's from a studio, right now it's Tobi in front of a camera. And you're right, more people would help with that, so maybe that's what they need.


Don't think that anyone else but toby could get 10k for crap.
Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
June 24 2013 15:25 GMT
#63388
Well when we're talking about casters that are pretty good but not mainstream like BTS and jD... The best two imo are the Kappatalist and Vykromond
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Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-24 15:34:20
June 24 2013 15:33 GMT
#63389
TPL gets high numbers because they have some pretty good teams playing in a small cup. Bigpoint also has terrible marketing.
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teapoted
Profile Joined August 2012
United Kingdom24425 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-24 15:37:28
June 24 2013 15:35 GMT
#63390
TPL has the best format. 7 cups is a bit much, but that single elim bo1 to bo3 final is just so condensed and easy to follow. And all the teams are good. So yeah, of course they'll get good viewership.

EMS can't even do GSL groups properly. They are running 3 dual tournament groups and they don't even play them out one at a time. They play like 2-3 matches from one group, then one from another. It's real stupid.
Once you Goblak...
cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
June 24 2013 15:38 GMT
#63391
That's what I'm saying, a caster isn't everything. The tournament, the teams playing and the time of the match all contribute more to the number of viewers than the caster, I'd say.
super gg
Talron
Profile Joined September 2012
Germany7651 Posts
June 24 2013 15:40 GMT
#63392
On June 24 2013 23:44 Comeh wrote:
Has anyone's dota been crashing with relatively large frequence as of 1.5 weeks ago (most of the time while in lobby / while queuing, not while ingame)?

I was getting crashes yesterday, when I was ingame. Happened, when I selected the courier, from what I was able to see. DotA just shut down without any warning or error message. Played few games today, but nothing similar happened so far.
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teapoted
Profile Joined August 2012
United Kingdom24425 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-24 15:42:34
June 24 2013 15:42 GMT
#63393
That's what I'm saying, a caster isn't everything. The tournament, the teams playing and the time of the match all contribute more to the number of viewers than the caster, I'd say.
Of course they aren't. But that doesn't mean jD can make do with 1.
Once you Goblak...
icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19350 Posts
June 24 2013 15:43 GMT
#63394
On June 25 2013 00:40 Talron wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2013 23:44 Comeh wrote:
Has anyone's dota been crashing with relatively large frequence as of 1.5 weeks ago (most of the time while in lobby / while queuing, not while ingame)?

I was getting crashes yesterday, when I was ingame. Happened, when I selected the courier, from what I was able to see. DotA just shut down without any warning or error message. Played few games today, but nothing similar happened so far.

i had crashes in game too, these are all random but what i noticed:

- it usually happens to dire? i had multiple games where the dire players dc for no reason every once in a while
- it usually happens in a stack? me and some of my friends dc by pairs simultaneously.

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cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
June 24 2013 15:44 GMT
#63395
On June 25 2013 00:42 teapoted wrote:
Show nested quote +
That's what I'm saying, a caster isn't everything. The tournament, the teams playing and the time of the match all contribute more to the number of viewers than the caster, I'd say.
Of course they aren't. But that doesn't mean jD can make do with 1.

But they don't have one. They have two, and the second one is more or less useless with the way joinDOTA is managing their things. Which is why I don't see what a third one will do, unless jD makes some big changes.
super gg
teapoted
Profile Joined August 2012
United Kingdom24425 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-24 15:45:44
June 24 2013 15:45 GMT
#63396
They have 1.5 maybe.
Once you Goblak...
cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
June 24 2013 16:06 GMT
#63397
On June 25 2013 00:45 teapoted wrote:
They have 1.5 maybe.

Yeah, and they'll have 1.75 with Kapitalist, unless they change the way they manage their casters.
super gg
teapoted
Profile Joined August 2012
United Kingdom24425 Posts
June 24 2013 16:07 GMT
#63398
You're saying Kap is half the caster Epi is? =P
Once you Goblak...
Qbek
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Poland12923 Posts
June 24 2013 16:09 GMT
#63399
What if tobi is 1.25 ?
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Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42416 Posts
June 24 2013 16:11 GMT
#63400
Is this discussion similar to what teams are in terms of tiers? 1.75?
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