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On June 12 2013 06:54 PrinceXizor wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2013 06:47 Sn0_Man wrote:
Well, Alliance is better than Na'Vi,
Fnatic is better than EG
Quantic is better than FlipSide/aL
So group D is categorically harder than group C lol.
The only one of those that is questionable is the Fnatic one, but I'll take the TI3 invited team over the #roadtoTI4 team. I think EG when playing well is better than Fnatic by far. Fnatic is one of the worst TI3 invited teams. but EG is weirdly inconsistent so those games will be interesting
I have to agree. Fnatic usually brings it when playing on lan + they've won dh 3-4 times in hon, but right now they're not looking worth a lot.
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On June 12 2013 05:03 Sn0_Man wrote:Leaves dota running while eating = looks like 40 hrs per week?  Also I think full time school is like 30 hrs/week classes right? So there is some more time (although homework/studying ought to take a tad more than 10 hrs/week no? lol)
At my uni, it's normally 15 hours/week of lectures.
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Netherlands45349 Posts
Fnatic has been bootcamping as of late so they can finally get that practice in, still not impressed with their play and I feel like EG will beat them.
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play in ixdl with the barathum first ban treant first pick meta. You can feel the disappointment on the enemy face every time treant cast his armor. Man, its no longer a balance issue with this hero, its just uninteresting gameplay 
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On June 12 2013 13:24 NB wrote:play in ixdl with the barathum first ban treant first pick meta. You can feel the disappointment on the enemy face every time treant cast his armor. Man, its no longer a balance issue with this hero, its just uninteresting gameplay
thats because you are using it wrong. dive and go ham all day err day.
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Lalalaland34507 Posts
Living armor is a lot like the song of naga's people. Use it defensive and you get booed. Use it offensively and it becomes fucking awesome.
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On June 12 2013 04:57 Comeh wrote:Full time job = 40 hrs + 40 hrs of school + 40 hours of dota Week = 168 hours...so he sleeps about 48 hours or 8 hours a day. The question is...what does he do the rest of his life? How can he teleport in food? How does he instantly travel to work? Bathroom?
Barathroom.
Shoot me.
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On June 12 2013 13:59 PrinceXizor wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2013 13:24 NB wrote:play in ixdl with the barathum first ban treant first pick meta. You can feel the disappointment on the enemy face every time treant cast his armor. Man, its no longer a balance issue with this hero, its just uninteresting gameplay thats because you are using it wrong. dive and go ham all day err day.
This. I don't like how people use it defensively. It gives you a ton of offensive options even deep between their towers. The low CD on it just begs for fighting from 1 minute on.
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United States47024 Posts
Well most pub players don't manage the timing of creep waves very well (or creep aggro if the wave is there), and it's basically worthless if you dive into creeps because they instantly clean off all the stacks.
It is a good diving skill, but 90% of pubs will never actually be able to use its offensive options effectively.
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On June 12 2013 15:17 TheYango wrote:
Well most pub players don't manage the timing of creep waves very well (or creep aggro if the wave is there), and it's basically worthless if you dive into creeps because they instantly clean off all the stacks.
It is a good diving skill, but 90% of pubs will never actually be able to use its offensive options effectively.
yeah, but thats absolutely no reason why you can't ask your pub treant to living armor YOU and you take care of business yourself. after all, the only thing you can do in pubs is ask your team for help, and then the rest is up to you.
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On June 12 2013 14:52 Firebolt145 wrote:
Living armor is a lot like the song of naga's people. Use it defensive and you get booed. Use it offensively and it becomes fucking awesome.
that is not the main issue when it come to game design though. Balancing the ability isnt hard, you can just always tweak the number around, worse case nerf it to oblivion until redesign concept. The issue is that tree living armor is incredibly unfriendly when it come to spectator sport design.
First of all the ability is global. That alone could already cause many confusion to who ever have to operate the camera. As action pack as this game genre is, challenging the camera skill is something must be avoided before Valve get proper tools set out assisting broadcasters or even ticket dotatv viewers.
Second of all, the ability is disappointing. I wont talk about this since i already mention a few pages ago on how healing doesnt work in a spectating game like dota2. Not only it shut down action, it also deceptive to new comer who try to watch the game. We could argue that there are already similar abilities like such in game: TA refraction, naga song etc... But they are nowhere as spammy abusive as living armor, their effects(visual wise) are also much more significant.
I have been on both the winning and losing end of a treant line up. Overall it feels like im playing a healer line up in a raiding MMO where we just kite the boss while poping pots one by one. Boring to play, boring to watch, annoying to play against.
Again, please disregard balancing talk and ask yourself if this is what you want in a game like dota. We often despite boring farm fit defensive games and promote >2kills perm min game, then why an extreme healer would be something that we want?
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On June 11 2013 17:14 PrinceXizor wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2013 17:03 Belisarius wrote:On June 11 2013 16:01 trifecta wrote:On June 11 2013 15:20 Belisarius wrote:On June 11 2013 14:57 ch33psh33p wrote:On June 11 2013 12:10 RuskiPanda wrote:
I don't know what you guys are on about. Best pubstomp support is warlock lol, rock too imba. Just as good mid too-arguably more than rubick unless the enemy team has some really nice stuff to steal. No arguments here. That shit is just a midgame wrecking ball nightmare. To be honest, I have no idea what to about warlock in a pub. Not the slightest clue. If someone has a diffusal blade... goodbye rock The actual golem is just a bonus, though. Even if you purge it straightaway, you're still bonded and you still got initiated on from a million miles away in a ridiculous aoe. Congrats, you got rid of the golem. Now deal with the team that's already devouring your face. yep its not really true that purges or diffusal blades are good vs warlock. you have to spend 2600 gold on an item you barely need, and if you are a diffusal carrier, having to save charges for warlock golems already can prevent a kill or two. and then if you end up against the monster that is aghs refresher warlock you have to spend half the max charges every 160 seconds. no other purges actually KILL the golem, except medusa after 3 seconds of facing her.
Nah shadow demon can purge the golem. its pretty sick
EDIT: Wait shit, this was adressed earlier. Might have been changed at somepoint, but I definitely remeber 1 shooting a warlock golem with SD
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Reddit in full-retard mode over the navi-female dota 2 squad. Holy shit.
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On June 12 2013 17:13 Bswhunter wrote:
Nah shadow demon can purge the golem. its pretty sick
EDIT: Wait shit, this was adressed earlier. Might have been changed at somepoint, but I definitely remeber 1 shooting a warlock golem with SD
I think its a dota 2 specific bug. since you know there is absolutely no mention of that aspect in any source for the ability. playdota dota2wiki in-game client help, ect.
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I don't get all the blame for living armor.
Yeah, sometimes it makes stuff "boring"... But it also creates some really exciting situations.
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I think it makes the game harder, the ganks have to be better executed you always have to keep in mind the armor timing and Im all for making the game harder
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Lalalaland34507 Posts
On June 12 2013 17:07 NB wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2013 14:52 Firebolt145 wrote:
Living armor is a lot like the song of naga's people. Use it defensive and you get booed. Use it offensively and it becomes fucking awesome. that is not the main issue when it come to game design though. Balancing the ability isnt hard, you can just always tweak the number around, worse case nerf it to oblivion until redesign concept. The issue is that tree living armor is incredibly unfriendly when it come to spectator sport design. First of all the ability is global. That alone could already cause many confusion to who ever have to operate the camera. As action pack as this game genre is, challenging the camera skill is something must be avoided before Valve get proper tools set out assisting broadcasters or even ticket dotatv viewers. Second of all, the ability is disappointing. I wont talk about this since i already mention a few pages ago on how healing doesnt work in a spectating game like dota2. Not only it shut down action, it also deceptive to new comer who try to watch the game. We could argue that there are already similar abilities like such in game: TA refraction, naga song etc... But they are nowhere as spammy abusive as living armor, their effects(visual wise) are also much more significant. I have been on both the winning and losing end of a treant line up. Overall it feels like im playing a healer line up in a raiding MMO where we just kite the boss while poping pots one by one. Boring to play, boring to watch, annoying to play against. Again, please disregard balancing talk and ask yourself if this is what you want in a game like dota. We often despite boring farm fit defensive games and promote >2kills perm min game, then why an extreme healer would be something that we want?
Eh, tbh I wasn't being deep at all with my analysis. All I was saying is that the ganks that it allows to happen are amazing.
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On June 12 2013 13:24 NB wrote:play in ixdl with the barathum first ban treant first pick meta. You can feel the disappointment on the enemy face every time treant cast his armor. Man, its no longer a balance issue with this hero, its just uninteresting gameplay
watching ixmike's stream right now, treant is first pick
what hast thou wrought upon us petty mortals icefrog? the power to save shitty positioning and weak lanes with mine e button is too great a power!
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All this talk about defensive treants make me want to go treads, bottle/soul ring, mask of madness on him.
Whenever Icefrog buffs something, there's usually a buff for its counter as well. A lot of heroes with DoT spells got buffed and bloodseeker can remove living armor with bloodrage now.
Anyone know if orb of venom removes living armor instances? Edit: Nope.
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On June 12 2013 19:53 Kishin2 wrote:
All this talk about defensive treants make me want to go treads, bottle/soul ring, mask of madness on him.
Whenever Icefrog buffs something, there's usually a buff for its counter as well. A lot of heroes with DoT spells got buffed and bloodseeker can remove living armor with bloodrage now.
Anyone know if orb of venom removes living armor instances?
IT works the same as refraction, minimum 5 damage
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