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teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
June 07 2013 15:10 GMT
#60621
why are kurwas playing on eu west?
Esports historian since 2000. Creator of 'The Universe' and 'The best scrambled Eggs 2013'. Host of 'Star Wars Marathon 2015'. Thinker of 'teddyoojo's Thoughts'. Earths and Moons leading CS:GO expert. Lord of the Rings.
nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15846 Posts
June 07 2013 15:14 GMT
#60622
When I play around 30 ms, the game is perfect, but sometimes it goes around 8-10 ms and it's a bit laggy, anyone has a solution to share?
"Back then teams that won were credited, now it's called throw. I think it's sad." - Kuroky - Flap Flap Wings!
Qbek
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Poland12923 Posts
June 07 2013 15:17 GMT
#60623
On June 08 2013 00:10 teddyoojo wrote:
why are kurwas playing on eu west?

Coz they pick all 3 eu servers and give 0 fucks about you krauts
This space left intentionally dank /)3(\ http://i.imgur.com/RmeEUcF.png
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42416 Posts
June 07 2013 15:37 GMT
#60624
On June 08 2013 00:17 Qbek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2013 00:10 teddyoojo wrote:
why are kurwas playing on eu west?

Coz they pick all 3 eu servers and give 0 fucks about you krauts


woah woah, easy there you two.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
June 07 2013 15:47 GMT
#60625
On June 07 2013 23:00 Kipsate wrote:
Dignitas is miles better then the worst team at TI2 though and I wouldn't underestimate them neccesarily, they are volatile but they aren't bad.

Fnatic is the worst team right now imo, they are playing awfull(courtesy of not having practice I suppose).

Show nested quote +
On June 07 2013 22:51 Grettin wrote:
On June 07 2013 22:29 PrinceXizor wrote:
On June 07 2013 22:07 Grettin wrote:
On June 07 2013 21:59 Dubzex wrote:
I picked PL last night because I knew regardless of how bad my teammates were, that I would still win. Does that make me a bad person for picking PL even after the patch?


No, i wish i was able to play one hero and win regardless of my team mates.

Regards,

Two games, first loss to Battlefury CK & 2nd, triple (Me, Rubick & SD) lost to veno and warlock.

Veno lock is evil. the sheer amount of damage that supports take from that combo is ridiculous.


Especially when they decide to go one by one against them..

Anyway, funny to read Loda's tweets about tournament payments being late. "Welcome" to E-sports.


Honestly I think he is probably used now to tournaments paying out super late, it doesn't make it any less frustrating.


we're talking about dignitas.eu tho, which is probably as good as iG.usw pre ti2
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
yyfpulls
Profile Joined November 2012
United States2185 Posts
June 07 2013 16:02 GMT
#60626
On June 08 2013 00:14 nojok wrote:
When I play around 30 ms, the game is perfect, but sometimes it goes around 8-10 ms and it's a bit laggy, anyone has a solution to share?


you can adjust cl_cmdrate, cl_updaterate, rate, and mess with cl_interp but they might be the source of the problem.
cl_cmdrate 61
cl_updaterate 61
rate 99999
cl_interp try 0.05 then 0.04, 0.03, 0.02 , 0.01
25/25/40000/0.05 i think are defaults
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
June 07 2013 16:34 GMT
#60627
On June 08 2013 00:14 nojok wrote:
When I play around 30 ms, the game is perfect, but sometimes it goes around 8-10 ms and it's a bit laggy, anyone has a solution to share?

1st world problem? When i play on home server max i could get is 50ms
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hunts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2113 Posts
June 07 2013 16:49 GMT
#60628
So I was thinking, with all the armor DK gets from dragons blood, it almost feels like the armor from AC is wasted on him, yet every pro game ive seen with DK I see him played as 2nd position and getting lothars, bkb, ac. Is the AC mainly gotten to support the 1st position? Or is it still a good item for just DK? I almost felt like mjolnir would fit DK better because he already has so much armor, especially if you go domi/satanic as well.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-07 16:53:42
June 07 2013 16:50 GMT
#60629
On June 08 2013 01:49 hunts wrote:
So I was thinking, with all the armor DK gets from dragons blood, it almost feels like the armor from AC is wasted on him, yet every pro game ive seen with DK I see him played as 2nd position and getting lothars, bkb, ac. Is the AC mainly gotten to support the 1st position? Or is it still a good item for just DK? I almost felt like mjolnir would fit DK better because he already has so much armor, especially if you go domi/satanic as well.

Dragon's Blood armor is good enough midgame, but it falls off lategame compared to agility heroes' armor gains from having higher agility growth and agility from items. By the time AC is gotten as a 3rd or 4th item, it's necessary for DK to be buying armor again.

Mjollnir is gotten as a farming item, but typically a 2nd position DK does not need to invest that hard in farming power because he is already not taking that high of a farm demand.
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hunts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2113 Posts
June 07 2013 17:02 GMT
#60630
On June 08 2013 01:50 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2013 01:49 hunts wrote:
So I was thinking, with all the armor DK gets from dragons blood, it almost feels like the armor from AC is wasted on him, yet every pro game ive seen with DK I see him played as 2nd position and getting lothars, bkb, ac. Is the AC mainly gotten to support the 1st position? Or is it still a good item for just DK? I almost felt like mjolnir would fit DK better because he already has so much armor, especially if you go domi/satanic as well.

Dragon's Blood armor is good enough midgame, but it falls off lategame compared to agility heroes' armor gains from having higher agility growth and agility from items. By the time AC is gotten as a 3rd or 4th item, it's necessary for DK to be buying armor again.

Mjollnir is gotten as a farming item, but typically a 2nd position DK does not need to invest that hard in farming power because he is already not taking that high of a farm demand.


I see, and is DK basically always played as 2nd because he doesn't scale well enough into late game to be played as 1st?
twitch.tv/huntstv 7x legend streamer
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-07 17:07:32
June 07 2013 17:05 GMT
#60631
On June 08 2013 02:02 hunts wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2013 01:50 TheYango wrote:
On June 08 2013 01:49 hunts wrote:
So I was thinking, with all the armor DK gets from dragons blood, it almost feels like the armor from AC is wasted on him, yet every pro game ive seen with DK I see him played as 2nd position and getting lothars, bkb, ac. Is the AC mainly gotten to support the 1st position? Or is it still a good item for just DK? I almost felt like mjolnir would fit DK better because he already has so much armor, especially if you go domi/satanic as well.

Dragon's Blood armor is good enough midgame, but it falls off lategame compared to agility heroes' armor gains from having higher agility growth and agility from items. By the time AC is gotten as a 3rd or 4th item, it's necessary for DK to be buying armor again.

Mjollnir is gotten as a farming item, but typically a 2nd position DK does not need to invest that hard in farming power because he is already not taking that high of a farm demand.


I see, and is DK basically always played as 2nd because he doesn't scale well enough into late game to be played as 1st?

He's played as 2nd because he can solo mid well enough, and is often a part of dual core teams or tri core teams. in addition he is more level dependent early than gold dependent
Bash
Profile Joined August 2007
Finland1533 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-07 17:10:06
June 07 2013 17:09 GMT
#60632
DK doesn't do well in tri vs tri compared to most carries, has a hard time bouncing back in farm and really benefits from getting levels in all of his abilities.
I can't sing and I can't dance, but still I know how to clap my hands.
aintz
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada5624 Posts
June 07 2013 17:10 GMT
#60633
dk is too reliant on his ult therefore not a reliable hard carry in pro games. u can play him as solo hard carry in pubs just fine though.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
June 07 2013 17:17 GMT
#60634
On June 08 2013 02:09 Bash wrote:
DK doesn't do well in tri vs tri compared to most carries, has a hard time bouncing back in farm and really benefits from getting levels in all of his abilities.

This, DK in Tri v Tri is pretty awkward.

The ult issue isn't an enormous problem--he was commonly a 1st position carry in Chinese DotA at the beginning of 2012 when they first started playing the hero a lot after the Dragon Tail buff, but that was when lanes were pretty much always 2-1-2.
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Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
June 07 2013 17:21 GMT
#60635
On June 08 2013 02:17 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2013 02:09 Bash wrote:
DK doesn't do well in tri vs tri compared to most carries, has a hard time bouncing back in farm and really benefits from getting levels in all of his abilities.

This, DK in Tri v Tri is pretty awkward.

The ult issue isn't an enormous problem--he was commonly a 1st position carry in Chinese DotA at the beginning of 2012 when they first started playing the hero a lot after the Dragon Tail buff, but that was when lanes were pretty much always 2-1-2.

I remember the first time I tried running a dk in a trilane - lost to a dual lane of kotl and WR. I gged it in under 10 minutes.

Granted, this was like a year ago and I was complete shit and the supports were awful, but it was a learning experience.
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BlitzerSC
Profile Joined May 2011
Italy8800 Posts
June 07 2013 17:24 GMT
#60636
EG is playing #1 DK right now on Tobi's stream. Let's see how it turns out.
cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
June 07 2013 17:37 GMT
#60637
VP has always played their no-breath DK as a 1 position. To be honest, I don't think you can really run DK mid anymore, he's just not strong enough with the slow bottlecrow.
super gg
hunts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2113 Posts
June 07 2013 17:37 GMT
#60638
On June 08 2013 02:24 BlitzerSC wrote:
EG is playing #1 DK right now on Tobi's stream. Let's see how it turns out.


Not sure how I feel about that, DK as 1st makes me excited, but at the same time its western dota so basically same as foreigner SC2, more for laughs than for seriousness, AFAIK.
twitch.tv/huntstv 7x legend streamer
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
June 07 2013 17:41 GMT
#60639
oh man, warlock gyro is a fucked up lane.... its like the gyro could always hit you with a fucking DD rune if you stay in exp range -.-
Im daed. Follow me @TL_NB
Klonere
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Ireland4123 Posts
June 07 2013 17:49 GMT
#60640
gyro still dumb as fuck

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