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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-11 18:21:27
May 11 2013 18:20 GMT
#56201
Basically the only situation where a turnrate of higher than 0.5 matters is with Sticky Napalm (and even then, only up to 1.67). Otherwise higher turnrates are basically indistinguishable.
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Imbajoe
Profile Joined September 2010
United States857 Posts
May 11 2013 18:21 GMT
#56202
On May 12 2013 03:18 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2013 03:15 Unleashing wrote:
Something i wonder is, will the frog buff ES next patch?

He doesn't need buffs, he needs bugfixes.

So long as Icefrog cares about DotA 1 balance as well, he can't overbuff ES because the hero is basically must-ban/pick in DotA 1, and only sucks in DotA 2 because of engine differences.


What are some of these bugs you are talking about?
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-11 18:25:03
May 11 2013 18:22 GMT
#56203
The hero in general handles somewhat differently, but the two major ones are pathing allowing heroes through fissure blocks that would be full blocks in DotA 1, and Fissure no longer being able to be targeted as a point-and-click skill (Fissure always ground-targets in DotA 2, whereas target-clicking a hero in DotA 1 would basically lock onto that hero).
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vndestiny
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Singapore3459 Posts
May 11 2013 18:23 GMT
#56204
On May 12 2013 03:15 TheYango wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
You're still woefully cooldown-reliant like rabidch said. A team that's going all-in on a combo like that requires said combo to get a teamwipe to take the game. If you blew your CDs and only got 1-2 kills, your fighting power plummets for the next 3 minutes.

This is exacerbated by the fact that you have no small stuns. CM is the only hero in your lineup that has a hard "small" disable (stuff with low CDs that you expect to come off CD a 2nd or 3rd time and can clean up after the fight), which means once your wombo combo is planted, if it didn't one-shot everyone, you have no way to prevent the enemy from disengaging. Which means they find a place to take the fight where they take an acceptable loss (losing 1-2 people), and then counter-fight/push when your big ult(s) are on CD. This is even easier lategame when they can bait this using buybacks.

In pubs you'll often see teams more or less wipe themselves on the combo and let you straight rax off a 5-0 wipe. It's why many newer players love these AoE combo teams (I remember playing Warlock+SK all day every day when I first played DotA years ago). But a high level team isn't going to walk into the 5-0 teamwipe. They'll lose a man or two, and then abuse your timing weakness with your ults down.


On May 12 2013 01:51 vndestiny wrote:

Have to engage fully every time if want to defend, as little AOE power of CM & Puck has no answer to the slow siege like LD & Chen. So you go big and win outright, or you go home
( in addition to some split pushing hero like AM or Morph which would never fight when all the cd are up)

Yeah I realized though, which is quite sad
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
May 11 2013 18:29 GMT
#56205
On May 12 2013 03:18 Yoshi- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2013 03:12 rabidch wrote:
On May 12 2013 02:54 Yoshi- wrote:
A turnrate buff would do pretty much nothing

a major turn rate buff such as the one that batrider got would be a significant change for cm.

it would not make her strong by itself, but small things matter. its not like a small cast animation buff or a small movespeed buff would be by themselves make her great


No it wouldn't as every turnrate above 0.5 is the same
A hero with a turnrate of 100 turns as fast as a hero with turnrate of 0.5. CM got 0.5 and that is pretty much enough.

dota2 is different from wc3 in facing direction. its actually more accurate
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Sgany
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United Kingdom790 Posts
May 11 2013 19:07 GMT
#56206
What do you people think of the ICCUP DOTA2 servers? Better for those who wish to play away from the casual scrubs?
NaDa <3, MMA <3, Bisu <3,
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
May 11 2013 19:25 GMT
#56207
anyone know if MKB stops the halberd disarm?
LuckoftheIrish
Profile Joined November 2011
United States4791 Posts
May 11 2013 19:28 GMT
#56208
On May 12 2013 04:25 wherebugsgo wrote:
anyone know if MKB stops the halberd disarm?


Pretty sure it doesn't. Disarm prevents you from attacking, MKB prevents you from missing. Two separate things.

Ugh search times.
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Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
May 11 2013 20:00 GMT
#56209
Finally that KP vs Mouz game 1 ended. Only 75 minutes.
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
Paperplane
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands1823 Posts
May 11 2013 20:04 GMT
#56210
On May 12 2013 05:00 Shaella wrote:
Finally that KP vs Mouz game 1 ended. Only 75 minutes.


Such a stupid ending. No idea why they thought they could win the base race vs a lone druid.
Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
May 11 2013 20:04 GMT
#56211
On May 12 2013 05:04 Paperplane wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2013 05:00 Shaella wrote:
Finally that KP vs Mouz game 1 ended. Only 75 minutes.


Such a stupid ending. No idea why they thought they could win the base race vs a lone druid.

They had to engage on Mouz, mouz was never gonna engage

hard game to win
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
Benjef
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United Kingdom6921 Posts
May 11 2013 20:19 GMT
#56212
This isn't the lr thread guys. Spoilers :D. Not that i care but others will
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EmilA
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark4618 Posts
May 11 2013 20:38 GMT
#56213
I can't find any mention of it anywhere.

eL'Pride has dropped all russians but massacre and picked up link+cr1t+hestejoe+Fun. Pretty cool to have Link back on a team.
http://dotabuff.com/players/122305951 playing other games
teapoted
Profile Joined August 2012
United Kingdom24425 Posts
May 11 2013 21:25 GMT
#56214
Managed to get the rules for the qualifiers in-case anyone is interested. http://dota2.cyborgmatt.com/TournamentRulesWestQualifiers.pdf

Once you Goblak...
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42416 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-11 21:29:46
May 11 2013 21:29 GMT
#56215
Those are obviously identical for the East qualifiers.

David GoDz Parker ‏@BTSGoDz 1m
TI3 Qualifier rules http://dota2.cyborgmatt.com/TournamentRulesWestQualifiers.pdf … - ours are identical for East, just replace "GDstudio" with "BTS" , and server rules different
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
trifecta
Profile Joined April 2010
United States6795 Posts
May 11 2013 21:36 GMT
#56216
On May 12 2013 06:29 Grettin wrote:
Those are obviously identical for the East qualifiers.

Show nested quote +
David GoDz Parker ‏@BTSGoDz 1m
TI3 Qualifier rules http://dota2.cyborgmatt.com/TournamentRulesWestQualifiers.pdf … - ours are identical for East, just replace "GDstudio" with "BTS" , and server rules different


"GSL format" Maybe GOM should trademark that lol.
-Celestial-
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom3867 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-11 21:38:26
May 11 2013 21:38 GMT
#56217
On May 12 2013 01:14 aintz wrote:
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On May 12 2013 01:00 -Celestial- wrote:
Felt really dirty the other day. Random Draft Radiant side. First pick is Drow. The other team picks Skywrath and Lina. I pick PL and the other guy picking alongside me picks Nyx. Yeah... >_>


why didnt the other team just draft 3 push heroes and stomp all over you guys?


Damned if I know. They went Troll, SS and Sven in some kinda attempt to outcarry.

Nyx had a great time with 3 Int heroes on the other side.
"Protoss simultaneously feels unbeatably strong and unwinnably weak." - kcdc
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
May 11 2013 22:05 GMT
#56218
On May 12 2013 06:25 teapoted wrote:
Managed to get the rules for the qualifiers in-case anyone is interested. http://dota2.cyborgmatt.com/TournamentRulesWestQualifiers.pdf


Hmm, wonder if this precludes armlet bear (intentional bug abuse)
SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-11 22:22:27
May 11 2013 22:19 GMT
#56219
On May 12 2013 07:05 Nevuk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2013 06:25 teapoted wrote:
Managed to get the rules for the qualifiers in-case anyone is interested. http://dota2.cyborgmatt.com/TournamentRulesWestQualifiers.pdf


Hmm, wonder if this precludes armlet bear (intentional bug abuse)

I'm pretty sure it doesn't. There are plenty of other bugs that are considered part of the game. If it wasn't allowed they would have to release a statement regarding which "bugs" that are currently accepted in tournaments would be out of limits.
cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-11 22:30:40
May 11 2013 22:26 GMT
#56220
Sloppy rules regarding US to EU server location...
First of all, which teams qualify as "CIS teams"? Is 2/5 good enough (DD)? Or 3/5 (Empire)? Also, why do they use the term "USW teams"? Is EG a USW team, eventho they have Bambo?
Another thing is, why do they say they will handle it individually? It's not hard determining all the possible server setups for the problematic US x EU matchups before the tournament starts, there's not that many teams, after all. This system basically means that the team with the worse connection will get a server advantage in the final game.

edit: I guess "USW teams" means "EG". For some reason, I thought Dignitas were in the qualifiers. Still, I don't understand why didn't they just write out the possible server setups for EG matches, and instead fuck around with EUW teams, and CIS teams....
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