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On April 16 2013 03:39 Comeh wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2013 03:32 Numy wrote:
So having a bit of a discussion on local tournament rules. One of the rules is a carry over from Dota 1 which says ES fissure can't be used to block creeps. What do people think of tournaments having these kind of rules in? IIRC - isn't this only for the first creepwave?
If you fissure the at T1 tower the creeps go to Neutrals. So if someone else is there he can pull. There are also rules where you can't fissure at your T3 unless it hits an enemy unit(Can't block it off). Anyway there are tricks other heroes can do to manipulate creeps and other mechanics. I'm just wondering if a tournament should take a step to alter gameplay or leave it for valve to do.
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Personally, I don't really see the problem. If they can fissure Dire bot lane to pull those creeps to ancients, what is the issue with blocking off a lane for a while?
More specifically, I'd say either allow all fissure blocks or say something like "Deliberately using fissure to seriously alter lane creep pathing with no other goal is against the rules".
I mean, cogs/sprout/tusk ice wall can all probably achieve almost the same thing if done correctly, so I don't think you should bother.
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On April 16 2013 03:42 Numy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2013 03:39 Comeh wrote:On April 16 2013 03:32 Numy wrote:
So having a bit of a discussion on local tournament rules. One of the rules is a carry over from Dota 1 which says ES fissure can't be used to block creeps. What do people think of tournaments having these kind of rules in? IIRC - isn't this only for the first creepwave? If you fissure the at T1 tower the creeps go to Neutrals. So if someone else is there he can pull. There are also rules where you can't fissure at your T3 unless it hits an enemy unit(Can't block it off). Anyway there are tricks other heroes can do to manipulate creeps and other mechanics. I'm just wondering if a tournament should take a step to alter gameplay or leave it for valve to do.
Well, for reference, there have been games where Fnatic have used ES to block creepwaves at T1 dire to pull to ancient camps, and they were allowed in that tournament. I think the ES rules have kind of fallen off lately.
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On April 16 2013 03:49 Comeh wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2013 03:42 Numy wrote:On April 16 2013 03:39 Comeh wrote:On April 16 2013 03:32 Numy wrote:
So having a bit of a discussion on local tournament rules. One of the rules is a carry over from Dota 1 which says ES fissure can't be used to block creeps. What do people think of tournaments having these kind of rules in? IIRC - isn't this only for the first creepwave? If you fissure the at T1 tower the creeps go to Neutrals. So if someone else is there he can pull. There are also rules where you can't fissure at your T3 unless it hits an enemy unit(Can't block it off). Anyway there are tricks other heroes can do to manipulate creeps and other mechanics. I'm just wondering if a tournament should take a step to alter gameplay or leave it for valve to do. Well, for reference, there have been games where Fnatic have used ES to block creepwaves at T1 dire to pull to ancient camps, and they were allowed in that tournament. I think the ES rules have kind of fallen off lately.
Oh I know that. I've seen games where all I've mentioned have been used. I too think these type of rules are archaic but I was just interesting if I was pushing something people didn't want to be pushed. My opinion is if a spell can fundamentally change the game in a negative way, icefrog will either change it or condone it. So see no reason for these arbitrary rules. In dota 1 it was more about the creep AI breaking than gameplay I believe.
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Were there ever rules against having too many CC items?
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Bearded Elder29905 Posts
Yup there was. I believe there were rules saying that You can only have 1 mek / 1 sheepstick per team back then.
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I think I heard somewhere that 5 necros were banned?
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United States47024 Posts
On April 16 2013 03:42 Numy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2013 03:39 Comeh wrote:On April 16 2013 03:32 Numy wrote:
So having a bit of a discussion on local tournament rules. One of the rules is a carry over from Dota 1 which says ES fissure can't be used to block creeps. What do people think of tournaments having these kind of rules in? IIRC - isn't this only for the first creepwave? If you fissure the at T1 tower the creeps go to Neutrals. So if someone else is there he can pull. There are also rules where you can't fissure at your T3 unless it hits an enemy unit(Can't block it off). Anyway there are tricks other heroes can do to manipulate creeps and other mechanics. I'm just wondering if a tournament should take a step to alter gameplay or leave it for valve to do.
Bear in mind that some of these rules in DotA 1 were because the creep AI would bug out and the creeps would stop moving if you blocked them entirely (e.g. allied creeps caught in Sprout or Cogs stop entirely)--as far as I'm aware, these are fixed in DotA 2.
EDIT: looks like you said that in your following post too, lol
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Yea, sorry about that Yango :<
On April 16 2013 04:02 PassiveAce wrote:
I think I heard somewhere that 5 necros were banned?
There were restrictions on Euls and Hex back when Hex built out of Euls. Also could only have 3 necros(Or 2 can't remember).
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Lalalaland34507 Posts
Euls, Sheepstick and necrobook were the three items I recall to have restrictions. Mek never had any restrictions.
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mek stacked before and it was 1 mek per team i thought.
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On April 16 2013 01:42 dfs wrote:Welcome to Chinese software market.
Correct me please, but I thought LoL was quite big in China? My mates who played it used to mod their clients with all the chinese art and stuff cos it was better...
So what's the point in reskinning/relaunching?
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On April 16 2013 03:48 Sn0_Man wrote:
Personally, I don't really see the problem. If they can fissure Dire bot lane to pull those creeps to ancients, what is the issue with blocking off a lane for a while?
More specifically, I'd say either allow all fissure blocks or say something like "Deliberately using fissure to seriously alter lane creep pathing with no other goal is against the rules".
I mean, cogs/sprout/tusk ice wall can all probably achieve almost the same thing if done correctly, so I don't think you should bother.
More or less none of those are able to pull the creeps from bot lane to ancient.
that is something that completely destroys the wave, if u stack ancients it becomes even worse
It is conterable by a ward tho
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Somebody should combine veno wards and sprout/cogs to wall a lane. Just to show off next level strats.
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an imba strat that is countered by a 75 gold item
dam pretty imba
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On April 16 2013 05:50 aintz wrote:
mek stacked before and it was 1 mek per team i thought.
Refresher was also restricted to 2 per team back when Mek was.
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OH my god! I am running on 80FPS on max Render @_@.... And i didnt even do shit to my laptop. HALLEHLUJAH! Hail to the Magical INFINITE Gaben
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On April 16 2013 07:47 NB wrote:
OH my god! I am running on 80FPS on max Render @_@.... And i didnt even do shit to my laptop. HALLEHLUJAH! Hail to the Magical INFINITE Gaben
ok
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On April 16 2013 07:47 NB wrote:
OH my god! I am running on 80FPS on max Render @_@.... And i didnt even do shit to my laptop. HALLEHLUJAH! Hail to the Magical INFINITE Gaben
Would you be willing to pm me how you did it? my desktop has been out of commission for a long time and I get terrible fps drops during teamfights on this laptop.
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