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Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
April 15 2013 14:19 GMT
#51701
On April 15 2013 22:37 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2013 21:01 Zealos wrote:
On April 15 2013 18:17 Erasme wrote:
Enigma is a much harder carry and can jungle

Harder carry? Though the jungling aspect is important, not to mention if you can get a midnight pulse on top of the black hole it can do a tonne of damage.


he's trolling

the reason enigma and magnus get compared is obvious. They both have very similar roles in the game when it comes to fighting. They're good gankers/teamfighters, probably two of the best in the game. Mag is just better in almost every aspect. He's safer to run, needs less farm, has more utility, and is more reliable. Enigma is a shittier version of mag in almost every way.



The only thing they have in common is their ult. Mag is a good 'ganker' if you blow his ult and has no stun/slow before getting his blink. They both need farm, i don't know what make you think that mag needs less farm.
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Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
April 15 2013 14:22 GMT
#51702
On April 15 2013 23:19 Erasme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2013 22:37 wherebugsgo wrote:
On April 15 2013 21:01 Zealos wrote:
On April 15 2013 18:17 Erasme wrote:
Enigma is a much harder carry and can jungle

Harder carry? Though the jungling aspect is important, not to mention if you can get a midnight pulse on top of the black hole it can do a tonne of damage.


he's trolling

the reason enigma and magnus get compared is obvious. They both have very similar roles in the game when it comes to fighting. They're good gankers/teamfighters, probably two of the best in the game. Mag is just better in almost every aspect. He's safer to run, needs less farm, has more utility, and is more reliable. Enigma is a shittier version of mag in almost every way.



The only thing they have in common is their ult. Mag is a good 'ganker' if you blow his ult and has no stun/slow before getting his blink. They both need farm, i don't know what make you think that mag needs less farm.

"only".

These two heroes are pretty much picked up because of their ult. I think they are worthy of comparison, to some extent, Though I would wager Enigma is not picked up as much in part due to Magnus / hero pool, and in other part in that he practically gives nothing to your safelane if the other team chooses to offensive trilane it.
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Incze
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Romania2058 Posts
April 15 2013 14:22 GMT
#51703
I think it's because mag without a dagger can still get a half-decent ulti while it's much harder for enigma, at least against a good team
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Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
April 15 2013 14:38 GMT
#51704
Enigma eidolons make KOTL happy.
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Andre
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Slovenia3523 Posts
April 15 2013 14:41 GMT
#51705
On April 15 2013 23:22 Comeh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2013 23:19 Erasme wrote:
On April 15 2013 22:37 wherebugsgo wrote:
On April 15 2013 21:01 Zealos wrote:
On April 15 2013 18:17 Erasme wrote:
Enigma is a much harder carry and can jungle

Harder carry? Though the jungling aspect is important, not to mention if you can get a midnight pulse on top of the black hole it can do a tonne of damage.


he's trolling

the reason enigma and magnus get compared is obvious. They both have very similar roles in the game when it comes to fighting. They're good gankers/teamfighters, probably two of the best in the game. Mag is just better in almost every aspect. He's safer to run, needs less farm, has more utility, and is more reliable. Enigma is a shittier version of mag in almost every way.



The only thing they have in common is their ult. Mag is a good 'ganker' if you blow his ult and has no stun/slow before getting his blink. They both need farm, i don't know what make you think that mag needs less farm.

"only".

These two heroes are pretty much picked up because of their ult. I think they are worthy of comparison, to some extent, Though I would wager Enigma is not picked up as much in part due to Magnus / hero pool, and in other part in that he practically gives nothing to your safelane if the other team chooses to offensive trilane it.


You won't pick an enigma if your safelane sux / they have a potential strong offensive trilane.

Sure you usually wanna pick an enigma just because of black hole, but there are situations where you're in an advantage if an enemy uses a jungler too. Enigma is the fastest jungler, a fast mek on the team adds so very much to the teamfight/push potential and malefice isn't all that weak during the early game where every stun is a plus.

I think he isn't picked as much because metagame has shifted from 4-1 to other stuff and not because of mag.
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Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29905 Posts
April 15 2013 14:42 GMT
#51706
VG vs iG + LGD in game now ZSMJ on SF !
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Benjef
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United Kingdom6921 Posts
April 15 2013 14:55 GMT
#51707
There are better choices and he is countered too easily these days.
Rubick screws him over pretty hard too.

Also is cogs meant to burn mana when magic immune oO?
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
April 15 2013 15:02 GMT
#51708
On April 15 2013 23:55 Benjef wrote:
Also is cogs meant to burn mana when magic immune oO?

Yes, they do this in DotA 1. Magic immunity only blocks the damage.
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Benjef
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United Kingdom6921 Posts
April 15 2013 15:05 GMT
#51709
On April 16 2013 00:02 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2013 23:55 Benjef wrote:
Also is cogs meant to burn mana when magic immune oO?

Yes, they do this in DotA 1. Magic immunity only blocks the damage.

Ah, came to shock to me yesterday went playing as Naix. Still learning things about this game after playing it for nearly 4 years now...
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Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
April 15 2013 15:07 GMT
#51710
On April 16 2013 00:05 Benjef wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2013 00:02 TheYango wrote:
On April 15 2013 23:55 Benjef wrote:
Also is cogs meant to burn mana when magic immune oO?

Yes, they do this in DotA 1. Magic immunity only blocks the damage.

Ah, came to shock to me yesterday went playing as Naix. Still learning things about this game after playing it for nearly 4 years now...

I see what you did there...
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Klonere
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Ireland4123 Posts
April 15 2013 15:11 GMT
#51711
an am named Kiante is wrecking LGDint stack right now

wat a player
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42416 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-15 15:17:19
April 15 2013 15:15 GMT
#51712
On April 16 2013 00:11 Klonere wrote:
an am named Kiante is wrecking LGDint stack right now

wat a player


Well, Kiante is known for being no-fun.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
April 15 2013 15:16 GMT
#51713
On April 16 2013 00:11 Klonere wrote:
an am named Kiante is wrecking LGDint stack right now

wat a player

Interesting... (since Kiante is Australian or something).

I'm sure he would let us know if he were wrecking the stack
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Kittan
Profile Joined April 2012
Poland3999 Posts
April 15 2013 15:18 GMT
#51714
Does he say 'fuck' a lot? If so, definitely Kiante.
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Fwizzz
Profile Joined May 2012
Philippines4420 Posts
April 15 2013 15:19 GMT
#51715
SEA server with 400 ping wtf.
Klonere
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Ireland4123 Posts
April 15 2013 15:24 GMT
#51716
it was def Kiante

icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19350 Posts
April 15 2013 15:24 GMT
#51717
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


for sea players
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Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42416 Posts
April 15 2013 15:25 GMT
#51718
On April 16 2013 00:24 icystorage wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


for sea players


grats sea, i guess!
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19350 Posts
April 15 2013 15:26 GMT
#51719
explains the high ping
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Fwizzz
Profile Joined May 2012
Philippines4420 Posts
April 15 2013 15:27 GMT
#51720
On April 16 2013 00:24 icystorage wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


for sea players


So we have to wait up to april 26? Damn.
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