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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
March 27 2013 18:33 GMT
#49341
That's what people were doing even when his base damage didn't suck.

The last time I remember seeing waveform level 1 (excepting some level 1 fight) was when morph still didn't give bonus stats.
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BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
March 27 2013 18:38 GMT
#49342
i thought 400hp morph with about 80damage is the standard at lvl1.
is 2017, stop being lame, fuck's sakes. 'Can't wait for the rise of the cakes and humanity's last stand tbqh.'
Qbek
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Poland12923 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-27 18:40:02
March 27 2013 18:39 GMT
#49343
On March 28 2013 03:38 BurningSera wrote:
i thought 400hp morph with about 80damage is the standard at lvl1.

I've seen a 200 HP lvl 1 morph, he didn't die but that is all he achieved
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-27 18:43:37
March 27 2013 18:41 GMT
#49344
400hp morph is standard at level 1, but he only has like 50 dmg at 400 hp I thought.

E: with wraith band its about 65 dmg @400hp
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BlitzerSC
Profile Joined May 2011
Italy8800 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-27 18:43:16
March 27 2013 18:42 GMT
#49345
On March 28 2013 03:38 BurningSera wrote:
i thought 400hp morph with about 80damage is the standard at lvl1.


That's what I do when I go safelane Morphling. Just think about it, how many early game heroes will burst you down so fast that you can't even activate morph in time ? Pretty much none, so you can safely stay around 400 hp and be completly safe. I almost never go over 900 hp with Morphling during the mid game.

Remember though: never go full ^^ .
FuzzyJAM
Profile Joined July 2010
Scotland9300 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-27 18:52:59
March 27 2013 18:51 GMT
#49346
On March 28 2013 03:41 Sn0_Man wrote:
400hp morph is standard at level 1, but he only has like 50 dmg at 400 hp I thought.

E: with wraith band its about 65 dmg @400hp


Base is:
378hp = 54 damage
416hp = 52 damage

And Wraith Band gives you 65 @ 397hp.
Did you ever say Yes to a single joy?
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-27 18:54:09
March 27 2013 18:53 GMT
#49347
Yeah and the wraith band gives you 6 agi + 3 str (which goes to agi) + 3 dmg so 12 dmg so around 65.



E: ur edit 2 fast
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Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
March 27 2013 18:55 GMT
#49348
I think its a bit safer / better to grab 3 gg + circlet and build into the wraithband a little later (when mid gets their boots).
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
March 27 2013 18:58 GMT
#49349
On March 28 2013 03:55 Comeh wrote:
I think its a bit safer / better to grab 3 gg + circlet and build into the wraithband a little later (when mid gets their boots).


I'm usually super greedy and go circlet + rop + wraith recipe and finish aquila from sideshop lmao. Yes its bad.

3gg + circlet is less damage though and not really any safer since you are morphing yourself to a certain life-point anyways. It is cheaper though if you are not getting pooled and/or need extra regen.
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Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34507 Posts
March 27 2013 19:04 GMT
#49350
On March 28 2013 03:55 Comeh wrote:
I think its a bit safer / better to grab 3 gg + circlet and build into the wraithband a little later (when mid gets their boots).

Go wraith band + branches, get pooled yo ~
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Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
March 27 2013 19:07 GMT
#49351
On March 28 2013 04:04 Firebolt145 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2013 03:55 Comeh wrote:
I think its a bit safer / better to grab 3 gg + circlet and build into the wraithband a little later (when mid gets their boots).

Go wraith band + branches, get pooled yo ~

Well, I guess my assumption is "you aren't getting pooled", and you shouldn't really need to get pooled unless you are running as solo (which...morph isn't the best solo hero anymore :[ ).
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Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
March 27 2013 19:21 GMT
#49352
Tree got picked by Empire in TPL now, G-1 last night by LGD-int

The time of the tree has finally come, our pages of theorycraft will pay off.
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
March 27 2013 19:24 GMT
#49353
you don't really need 65 damage to last hit effectively.. Like, usually 55ish is really easy to LH with
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
March 27 2013 19:24 GMT
#49354
On March 28 2013 03:51 FuzzyJAM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2013 03:41 Sn0_Man wrote:
400hp morph is standard at level 1, but he only has like 50 dmg at 400 hp I thought.

E: with wraith band its about 65 dmg @400hp


Base is:
378hp = 54 damage
416hp = 52 damage

And Wraith Band gives you 65 @ 397hp.


rofl my memory so fail.
is 2017, stop being lame, fuck's sakes. 'Can't wait for the rise of the cakes and humanity's last stand tbqh.'
Appendix
Profile Joined July 2009
Sweden979 Posts
March 27 2013 19:25 GMT
#49355
On March 28 2013 04:21 Shaella wrote:
Tree got picked by Empire in TPL now, G-1 last night by LGD-int

The time of the tree has finally come, our pages of theorycraft will pay off.

Icefrog has been throwing his money around
Excludos
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway8279 Posts
March 27 2013 19:25 GMT
#49356
On March 28 2013 04:24 Shaella wrote:
you don't really need 65 damage to last hit effectively.. Like, usually 55ish is really easy to LH with


Remember you'll be competing with the enemy team as well. If you have way more dmg than them (which you will by far if you have 65 at lvl 1), they shouldn't be able to deny unless you misstime it.
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
March 27 2013 19:32 GMT
#49357
Unless ur solo mid (and you shouldn't be with morph these days) the 400HP wraith band build is predicated on being in a safe lane with 1 or more supports to zone your opponents. Fighting for lasthits usually shouldn't be a huge issue.

More dmg is always better though.
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Dubzex
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6994 Posts
March 27 2013 19:46 GMT
#49358
Is treeant protector part of the new meta?
"DONT UNDERESTIMATE MY CARRY OR YOU WILL BE CARRIED INTO THE ABYSS OF SUFFERING" - Tyler 'TC' Cook
Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
March 27 2013 19:48 GMT
#49359
Tree op pls nerf icefraud
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
Qbek
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Poland12923 Posts
March 27 2013 19:49 GMT
#49360
Tree won a game? ICE CAN FINALLY REMAKE HIM AGAIN
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