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Kazzoo
Profile Joined October 2010
France368 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-21 20:30:27
March 21 2013 20:29 GMT
#48581
It should be less powerfull and cheaper. Biggest problem with this item is that when you get it, ot's already "kill the carry or die" time, so aura debuffs are not as good as a guinsoo.
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
March 21 2013 20:34 GMT
#48582
Does Shiva's aura apply through BKB?
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Talron
Profile Joined September 2012
Germany7651 Posts
March 21 2013 20:34 GMT
#48583
On March 22 2013 05:21 Sn0_Man wrote:
Well yah, but its like me arguing "Shiva's shouldn't need a recipe, it isn't good enough as is" and then including "this way you'd indirectly buff heroes like dark seer who might get shivas more often". That last part isn't a good argument, because dark seer really doesn't need a buff.

I do think shivas could use a little bit of help but I'm not sure what. Its kinda (actually a lot) like atos. It sounds awesome but it just doesn't play that well. Int as a stat is just so bad.

The way I read this is that I should just drop QoP from my list of heroes, who would benefit from it and it's suddenly a fine argument? wtf?
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
March 21 2013 20:40 GMT
#48584
"Diffusal blade needs a buff". <- Not an unreasonable statement. It isn't good on enough heroes and the purge charges make it unreliable. I'm not saying this is true but somebody could make this argument.

"That way PL would be stronger". <- Shooting yourself in the foot.

A legitimate counter-argument to the above statements is: Yeah but PL doesn't need a buff.

So... what is the problem?
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Talron
Profile Joined September 2012
Germany7651 Posts
March 21 2013 20:42 GMT
#48585
I just understand what you're saying right now, lol. "buff linkens -> why? bit too costy. Benefits? -> Make better Morphling." End. better like that? I'm seriously confused right now.
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Bisu-Fan
Profile Joined January 2010
Russian Federation3339 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-21 20:47:58
March 21 2013 20:45 GMT
#48586
haha dendi's streamming himself go 15/0/2 with meepo in a 30 minute (and counting) game where his team has 23 kills... he has agh, 2 hearts and almost 350 last hits haha
Question: Does meepo have 5 different counters for all the kills streaks? because Dendi hasn't died and he had killing spree on his 8th kill and unstoppable just now on his17th...

EDIT: oh oops no he has 3 hearts
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Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
March 21 2013 20:53 GMT
#48587
On March 22 2013 05:34 Sn0_Man wrote:
Does Shiva's aura apply through BKB?


Yes. Magic immunity doesn't block auras.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
March 21 2013 21:05 GMT
#48588
On March 22 2013 05:45 Bisu-Fan wrote:
haha dendi's streamming himself go 15/0/2 with meepo in a 30 minute (and counting) game where his team has 23 kills... he has agh, 2 hearts and almost 350 last hits haha
Question: Does meepo have 5 different counters for all the kills streaks? because Dendi hasn't died and he had killing spree on his 8th kill and unstoppable just now on his17th...

EDIT: oh oops no he has 3 hearts

killing spree are bugged with meepo when you die with aegis afaik
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aintz
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada5624 Posts
March 21 2013 21:09 GMT
#48589
this selfish dendi guy taking all the farm when hes maxed out on items and have way more than enough to buyback.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-21 21:22:29
March 21 2013 21:20 GMT
#48590
On March 22 2013 05:03 Talron wrote:
Ulti Orb is one of the most cost inefficient items in the game and so is preserverance unfortunately. I feel like Linkens is too expensive, for what it does. It's not a shit item in the end, just overpriced. Also this way you'd indirectly buff heroes like Morph, Weaver or QoP by making Linkens more attractive to those heroes.

Linken's is an appropriate farming item for the heroes that want that kind of farming item. The thing is that the game isn't such that those heroes typically want to play farm-y games anymore. The pace of the game is too fast to allow for that. The Linken users that can participate in early game teamfights are expected to do so and itemize accordingly (QoP, Weaver, Storm, etc.). The ones that can't (e.g. Dusa) don't get picked because a carry that has to farm that hard is a liability.

If you want to make it not a farming item, then it shouldn't build from Perseverance. You can't make an item that spends almost half its gold value on regen be an efficient combat item because regen has very low efficiency as a combat stat.
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SilverStar
Profile Joined January 2012
Sweden18511 Posts
March 21 2013 22:17 GMT
#48591
On March 22 2013 06:09 aintz wrote:
this selfish dendi guy taking all the farm when hes maxed out on items and have way more than enough to buyback.

Are you being serious?
IPA
Profile Joined August 2010
United States3206 Posts
March 21 2013 23:05 GMT
#48592
On March 22 2013 07:17 SilverStar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2013 06:09 aintz wrote:
this selfish dendi guy taking all the farm when hes maxed out on items and have way more than enough to buyback.

Are you being serious?


99.37% sure he's joking.
Time held me green and dying though I sang in my chains like the sea.
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
March 21 2013 23:07 GMT
#48593
On March 22 2013 06:20 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2013 05:03 Talron wrote:
Ulti Orb is one of the most cost inefficient items in the game and so is preserverance unfortunately. I feel like Linkens is too expensive, for what it does. It's not a shit item in the end, just overpriced. Also this way you'd indirectly buff heroes like Morph, Weaver or QoP by making Linkens more attractive to those heroes.

Linken's is an appropriate farming item for the heroes that want that kind of farming item. The thing is that the game isn't such that those heroes typically want to play farm-y games anymore. The pace of the game is too fast to allow for that. The Linken users that can participate in early game teamfights are expected to do so and itemize accordingly (QoP, Weaver, Storm, etc.). The ones that can't (e.g. Dusa) don't get picked because a carry that has to farm that hard is a liability.

If you want to make it not a farming item, then it shouldn't build from Perseverance. You can't make an item that spends almost half its gold value on regen be an efficient combat item because regen has very low efficiency as a combat stat.

Unless it's Sadism. That is ridiculously efficient as a combat stat.
cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
March 21 2013 23:14 GMT
#48594
So a guy on reddit compiled stats based on servers for Dignitas and Liquid games against good EU teams (he has a description of what teams he counted as "good") and the stats are pretty insane, if you ask me.
"Dignitas went 0-9 on EU and 18-11 on US East, and TL went 2-11 on EU and 18-6 on US East."
Apart from the massive difference in winrates, notice the amount of games played on US E server and how it affects the overall winrate for both teams.

I guess Liquid has been making a lot of strategical mistakes on EU servers, because everyone on Liquid (players/manager) always said that the server location had nothing to do with any of their losses.

Here's the source: http://redd.it/1ar5ny
I don't necessarily agree with his method of fixing it, but the stats are definitely interesting.
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Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
March 21 2013 23:18 GMT
#48595
rofl notbob~_~

yes, its an interesting article
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
March 21 2013 23:25 GMT
#48596
patch is out
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PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
March 21 2013 23:27 GMT
#48597
I wish cecek was banned from ping related posts on TL it's pretty much all he does nowadays.
IPA
Profile Joined August 2010
United States3206 Posts
March 21 2013 23:28 GMT
#48598
I work for a leading networking company. We're creating an AC Gaming Router.....and we're going to sponsor a LoL team.

I put up a good fight.
Time held me green and dying though I sang in my chains like the sea.
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
March 21 2013 23:32 GMT
#48599
I fucking love storm.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
Appendix
Profile Joined July 2009
Sweden979 Posts
March 21 2013 23:33 GMT
#48600
On March 22 2013 08:28 IPA wrote:
I work for a leading networking company. We're creating an AC Gaming Router.....and we're going to sponsor a LoL team.

I put up a good fight.

You can't deny LoL numbers are bigger
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