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Lastbil

Sweden75 Posts

March 16 2013 14:13 GMT

#47961

Kind of loving this change to tranquils, even though it will take some time to get used to. I dont think we can emphasize enough how big this change is. I really feel like the way the meta is atm at pro-level is dependant on tranquil boots being broken. People are putting heroes like Luna etc solo on safelane, versus heroes that they usually cannot lane well against, just because of tranqs. Also, this will force people to spend gold on changing to treads or whatever after the laning phase. I dont feel like we will be seeing 6 slot carries still running with tranquils. This is also a pretty smart change, since you should have to give something up for being nearly impossible to harass during the laning phase. Simply put, tranquils was too good, even just looking at the passive stats. Hopefully this will have a big impact on the metagame.

Delphiki

Philippines1955 Posts

March 16 2013 14:17 GMT

#47962

Good nerf on tranquil

I feel PL needs to be nerfed, lower agi gain maybe?
Also, give morph some love icey

justinpal

United States3810 Posts

March 16 2013 14:19 GMT

#47963

I think I play too much DotA 2. I just threw a game as a carry gyro by being out of position and went to bed. I later woke up with a nightmare about buying my MKB without saving buyback.

Erasme

Bahamas15899 Posts

March 16 2013 14:22 GMT

#47964

pl was nerfed by tranquils nerf

Lastbil

Sweden75 Posts

March 16 2013 14:26 GMT

#47965

On March 16 2013 23:05 Gheizen64 wrote:

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Not sure how i like that they are still laning boots of ownage, but less useful for roaming supports and basically said supports have to dissasemble those or they become slow molasses of feed in midgame.

Thats kinda how I feel like it should be. Making tranquils on a carry hero should be a trade-off between having great stayabillity in the lane, and having worse fighting abilities. As they are atm, its not really a trade-off. Tranquils have perfectly fine passive stats, meaning you dont really lose out on alot of things by going tranqs instead of treads/phase. Sure, you lose some attackspeed and stats versus treads, but on the other hand you gain armor for more tankiness, and more movementspeed (while active) for easier transportation between jungle camps etc, or even chasing.

nojok

France15846 Posts

March 16 2013 14:30 GMT

#47966

Drow really getting closer of captain mode I think. Tranquil boots are buffed manawise.

"ok gank incoming, time to disassemble, ring of basilius on!"

Talron

Germany7651 Posts

March 16 2013 14:35 GMT

#47967

Just want to remind the guys already complaining about the lack of some buffs / nerfs: http://www.playdota.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1297857

Originally Posted by IceFrog
Not sure yet, but 6.77c might be released sooner with a small portion of the 6.78 changes in it.

So the other changes might already be around the corner.

cecek

Czech Republic18921 Posts

March 16 2013 14:36 GMT

#47968

Ha! I like the movement speed nerf to tranquil boots. You're not running away from anyone when they break, that's a clever nerf, imo. The active heal also heals less now, before it healed 4.25 hp/s if you used it every cooldown, now it's 4.16. Also, the heal takes much longer, which is more opportunity to have it disabled when you get hit by the enemy. Spiked carapace is nice, too. It's his best spell, but you have to max the impale as a support nyx, so higher cooldown is pretty good. I don't know how the kotl nerf will work out. People max out Chakra first anyway, I don't know if upping the manacost will do anything, tbh.

There's definitely going to be 6.78 soon, there was a quote from playdota saying basically that.

Netherlands12045 Posts

March 16 2013 14:49 GMT

#47969

Treant buff \o/. Dont like the nyx nerf though, thats no where close to enough.

dfs

Russian Federation4050 Posts

March 16 2013 14:55 GMT

#47970

Expect treant firstpick now.

Erasme

Bahamas15899 Posts

March 16 2013 14:56 GMT

#47971

its like refraction but it gives you hp and its global !!!!!!
Nyovne must be thrilled

tauon

Australia1278 Posts

March 16 2013 14:57 GMT

#47972

After this tranquils nerf I might have to reassess how I play almost every carry hero. The break speed on tranquils might also be a subtle nerf to batrider.

Also not sure why they nerfed drow. She wasn't really a top pick in dota 1 even though she was in cm.

Barbiero

Brazil5259 Posts

March 16 2013 15:02 GMT

#47973

We don't need a new thread to discuss patch. Just use GD.

thought the patch was big enough mr moonbear

anyways patch 6.77c

* Tranquil Boots disabled speed reduced from 50 to 25
* Tranquil Boots heal increased from 170 to 250
* Tranquil Boots cooldown increased from 40 to 60
* Tranquil Boots heal duration increased from 10 to 20
* Illuminate manacost increased from 150 to 150/160/170/180
* Illuminate AOE reduced from 400 to 350
* Spiked Carapace duration reduced from 2.75 to 2.25
* Spiked Carapace cooldown increased from 14 to 23/20/17/14
* Marksmanship bonus is removed when there are nearby enemy heroes (instead of just being halved)
* Reduced Marksmanship enemy detection aoe reduced from 400 to 375
* Heaven’s Halberd's Disarm is no longer dispelled by Manta
* Living Armor damage reduction is now done for all instances of damage that reduce its charges

Summarizing:
- Tranquil Boots hard nerf
- Illuminate Nerf(T_T)
- Spiked Carapce Nerf
- Marksmanship nerfed in a way and buffed in another(bonus agi is completely removed, but detection aoe is reduced)
- Heaven's Halberd huge buff
- Living Armor... fix? I guess. Icefrog really wants to see treant lol.

Kazzoo

France368 Posts

March 16 2013 15:02 GMT

#47974

Why do we even make threads when we have GD ?! -_-

beef42

Denmark1037 Posts

March 16 2013 15:06 GMT

#47975

Yeah, c'mon, GD is hard to lurk.

SilverStar

Sweden18511 Posts

March 16 2013 15:08 GMT

#47976

So moonbear close the patch thread even though we have had patches thread in the past. I really dislike moderators that barely post here and dont follow the forums make up their own rules..

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BurningSera

Ireland19621 Posts

March 16 2013 15:09 GMT

#47977

Marksmanship bonus is removed when there are nearby enemy heroes (instead of just being halved)

bahahaha, i cannot stop laughing at that!!!

and as expected minor nerf on na/eza. Trans boots nerf is somehow related to pl i guess? And I believe that icefrog is glad that pl is back to the scene too, i said it before pl deserves that 4.2agi, he basically disappeared from comp scene for so long until the 'adjustment'.

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typing on phone is ridiculously slow.-_-

garlicface

Canada4196 Posts

March 16 2013 15:10 GMT

#47978

Now I can play a game where my team actually has sustained push, because my supports will finally buy Arcanes again!

Mataza

Germany5364 Posts

March 16 2013 15:10 GMT

#47979

Snarky comments aside, I think the Drow change was needed to make the ulti even remotely interesting.
Before Patch drow was a goddess of agility with ulti on. If you stood near her, she would still be a demigoddess.
With the new change she becomes mortal if you stand close to her.
Was actually quite silly that she could just simply ignore positioning because half the agility was still good enough to fight back against many melee heroes.

Also Phantom Assassin is now officially a counter to Drow.