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Mithhaike
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Singapore2759 Posts
March 12 2013 01:59 GMT
#47141
On March 12 2013 10:55 Mataza wrote:
Then alch is a supernatural counter to Undying and Broodmother for tombstone and spiderlings?


I dont think Acid Spray hurts zombies, but yes those spiderlings are worth a ton of gold to Alc
Mew Mew Pew Pew
Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
March 12 2013 02:00 GMT
#47142
On March 12 2013 10:55 Mataza wrote:
Then alch is a supernatural counter to Undying and Broodmother for tombstone and spiderlings?

pretty sure zombies don't die to acid, but spiders suffer from it fo sho
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
Steveling
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Greece10806 Posts
March 12 2013 02:03 GMT
#47143
When playing alche you should do this


anyway, use all smoke and gank, basically gank very hard like normal but then when out of smoke, farm hard
My dick has shrunk to the point where it looks like I have 3 balls.
ReignSupreme.
Profile Blog Joined September 2012
Australia4123 Posts
March 12 2013 02:20 GMT
#47144
Sure Alch can benefit from those match ups really well, but he's not a direct counter to those heroes.

Don't even need acid spray, I think there's a video of SingSing or someone finding the gold bonus on Zombies and practically celebrating
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
March 12 2013 02:45 GMT
#47145
max greed stack, tombstone is your atm
thug life.                                                       MVP/ex-
Mataza
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany5364 Posts
March 12 2013 03:05 GMT
#47146
I never said anything about acid spray hurting zonks. They are 1 hit kills and give bounty, that's the part alch likes. Much much much more than alch likes furions treants.
If nobody hates you, you´re doing something wrong. However someone hating you doesn´t make you right
Mithhaike
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Singapore2759 Posts
March 12 2013 03:22 GMT
#47147
On March 12 2013 12:05 Mataza wrote:
I never said anything about acid spray hurting zonks. They are 1 hit kills and give bounty, that's the part alch likes. Much much much more than alch likes furions treants.


oh yeah,free gold :D forgot abt that.
Mew Mew Pew Pew
RuskiPanda
Profile Joined December 2011
United States2906 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-12 03:49:45
March 12 2013 03:49 GMT
#47148
Even though alch's right click is really strong (with the BAT) his stat growth is awful and his other abilities don't really scale into lategame compared to stuff like backtrack, feast, etc. so that (similarly to anti-mage) you have to use Greed to cap out on items faster than your rival carry (assuming it's something like naix or void that don't farm as quickly without the help of midas or bfury) because once your BKB gets down to 5 seconds you won't have a reliable way to get your rightclicks off against a team with a decent amount of disables. I admit this is true for most carries but Alch's calling card is his strong right click and farming speed so I think it applies more than most.
Kishin2
Profile Joined May 2011
United States7534 Posts
March 12 2013 04:01 GMT
#47149
I'm just waiting until a pro team uses support alchemist successfully. I tried it once and it feels like it has potential.
Nub4ever
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada1981 Posts
March 12 2013 04:07 GMT
#47150
On March 12 2013 12:49 RuskiPanda wrote:
Even though alch's right click is really strong (with the BAT) his stat growth is awful and his other abilities don't really scale into lategame compared to stuff like backtrack, feast, etc. so that (similarly to anti-mage) you have to use Greed to cap out on items faster than your rival carry (assuming it's something like naix or void that don't farm as quickly without the help of midas or bfury) because once your BKB gets down to 5 seconds you won't have a reliable way to get your rightclicks off against a team with a decent amount of disables. I admit this is true for most carries but Alch's calling card is his strong right click and farming speed so I think it applies more than most.

He's still a ridiculously hard carry, the huge BAT reduction and effectively permanant heart level regen and -armour. Just to go with it a 4 second stun make him damn strong as a hard carry really.
Dota 3hard5me
Daaktard
Profile Joined March 2013
Sweden380 Posts
March 12 2013 04:11 GMT
#47151
On March 12 2013 13:07 Nub4ever wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2013 12:49 RuskiPanda wrote:
Even though alch's right click is really strong (with the BAT) his stat growth is awful and his other abilities don't really scale into lategame compared to stuff like backtrack, feast, etc. so that (similarly to anti-mage) you have to use Greed to cap out on items faster than your rival carry (assuming it's something like naix or void that don't farm as quickly without the help of midas or bfury) because once your BKB gets down to 5 seconds you won't have a reliable way to get your rightclicks off against a team with a decent amount of disables. I admit this is true for most carries but Alch's calling card is his strong right click and farming speed so I think it applies more than most.

He's still a ridiculously hard carry, the huge BAT reduction and effectively permanant heart level regen and -armour. Just to go with it a 4 second stun make him damn strong as a hard carry really.


As long as one gets basher/abyssal it feels like even on even farm alch has a slight edge, as long as he has ult up ofc.
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
March 12 2013 04:24 GMT
#47152
On March 12 2013 13:01 Kishin2 wrote:
I'm just waiting until a pro team uses support alchemist successfully. I tried it once and it feels like it has potential.


had a game once where my friend was doing roaming alch with maxed stun and eventually got shadowblade to get max stuns in fights, was good
thug life.                                                       MVP/ex-
Steveling
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Greece10806 Posts
March 12 2013 04:35 GMT
#47153
iirc pasarel from TEG used to play alchemist rushing meka or pipe and in general support/teamfight items.
My dick has shrunk to the point where it looks like I have 3 balls.
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
March 12 2013 05:05 GMT
#47154
head over to purgegamers.com to read all of purge's guides and learn all the basics so you can play like purge
thug life.                                                       MVP/ex-
TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28102 Posts
March 12 2013 05:07 GMT
#47155
On March 12 2013 14:05 FinestHour wrote:
head over to purgegamers.com to read all of purge's guides and learn all the basics so you can play like purge

Is that where you learned to play?
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FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
March 12 2013 05:35 GMT
#47156
only wish i did, i could be so much better
i wouldnt just be a regular gamer, id be a purgegamer
thug life.                                                       MVP/ex-
Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-12 05:51:57
March 12 2013 05:51 GMT
#47157
"I haven't missed very many last hits, I have 50 last hits" - Purge on safelane carry, 17 minutes into the game

that is a level us mortals aspire to
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34507 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-12 06:27:51
March 12 2013 05:56 GMT
#47158
I hereby dub anyone that has ever watched my stream a FireboltGamer
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Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
March 12 2013 06:06 GMT
#47159
thats because we have a simpler name for that -
"feeder"
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
Skullflower
Profile Joined July 2010
United States3779 Posts
March 12 2013 06:12 GMT
#47160
On March 12 2013 14:56 Firebolt145 wrote:
I hearby dub anyone that has ever watched my stream a FireboltGamer


Is there a minimum amount of time you need to have watched said stream to qualify
The ruminations are mine, let the world be yours.
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