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FinestHour
United States18466 Posts
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NB
Netherlands12045 Posts
On March 11 2013 16:14 TheYango wrote: It's even worse than that because of how Razor's ult prioritizes low health targets. It's only ever going to hit the tower if there's no creeps around (Edict at least splits the damage). how does this works exactly? it is percentage based or value base? | ||
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Asymmetric
Scotland1309 Posts
She's currently sitting in dead last place, the only hero with sub 40% winrate in PUG's for the last couple of months according to dota buff winrates and I haven't seen anyone pick her in ages competitively (although I do very occasionally see the odd 5th ban). Maybe it's the sheer insanity of the current meta trying to push against dark seers and keeper of lights with minions bringing her down or the fact that phantom lancer seems to do a not entirely dissimilar job so much better. Shame, because I love swarming towers with spiders. | ||
Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
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tauon
Australia1278 Posts
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FuzzyJAM
Scotland9300 Posts
Broodmother has a terrible win rate in pubs because she has to be played uniquely and has a very specific niche. Competitively she has a place and I've still seen her picked up occasionally, though you'll generally be wanting to 5th pick her because she can be counter picked fairly well. | ||
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SilverStar
Sweden18511 Posts
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Asymmetric
Scotland1309 Posts
On March 11 2013 19:44 SilverStar wrote: I would never look at the winrate of a hero in pubs to look at balance. Well there's two obvious retorts to this: 1) She doesn't appear to be being used competitively either, as I pointed out. 2) Did I say the word balance? Game designers like to account for most levels of play to some degree. The fact that brood mothers is now sitting below a difficult character like meepo in PUG's should still raise some eyebrows. | ||
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SilverStar
Sweden18511 Posts
On March 11 2013 19:52 Asymmetric wrote: Well there's two obvious retorts to this: 1) She doesn't appear to be being used competitively either, as I pointed out. 2) Did I say the word balance? Game designers like to account for most levels of play to some degree. The fact that brood mothers is now sitting below a difficult character like meepo in PUG's should still raise some eyebrows. You should have then started your discussion with data from dota-academy and not from dotabuff. Anti-Mage has a winrate of 41%. Does he need a buff? So yeah, bringing up pub-stats in the first place is wrong. Don't do it. Icefrog doesn't balance for pubs, he balances for pro-players. Edit: The last time she was picked in February and March the teams won the games with her. Did you even look at dota academy? http://dota-academy.com/hero/32/ I agree the current meta doesn't suit her but talking about buffs from pub-stats is just stupid. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10950 Posts
Seriously: She just seems to be a Hero that only really works with a serious gameplan built around her... That’s just not happening in pubs most of the time so she ends up to be a (horrible) carry that boosts the XP of the enemy team....... | ||
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majava
Finland248 Posts
God I miss BB | ||
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Narcind
Sweden2489 Posts
On March 11 2013 16:44 TheEmulator wrote: SF that isn't doing well is up there as well for least fun. Especially when you get roamed on from 3 different heroes mid and your team does nothing about it.  So you mean pretty much every SF game. He's my favourite hero, but I never play him anymore, because it's not fun sitting behind your tower, waiting for that ES to go away. | ||
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SpiZe
Canada3640 Posts
On March 11 2013 20:51 Canas wrote: So you mean pretty much every SF game. He's my favourite hero, but I never play him anymore, because it's not fun sitting behind your tower, waiting for that ES to go away. Solo queue SF pretty much doesn't work, you need at least another guy in your group. | ||
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StoRm_res
Switzerland891 Posts
On March 11 2013 17:34 Dubzex wrote: Clockwerk is definitely the most fun hero to play for me. This is followed by pudge and then probably timbersaw. So you're saying you like them hooks ^^ Played timbersaw for the first time yesterday. Don't know why he slipped under my radar, I already have a lot of playtime ^^ He looks incredibly fun, gotta play him more. Last hero on my list is troll, but I played him in dota 1 and in dota 2 i'm not really motivated to play him. Most fun hero for me is probably invoker. Very strong midgame, and probably the most fun lategame of all heroes, when you got aghas and lvl 4 invoke and can spam out those spells =) | ||
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gaymon
Germany1023 Posts
On March 11 2013 20:51 Canas wrote: So you mean pretty much every SF game. He's my favourite hero, but I never play him anymore, because it's not fun sitting behind your tower, waiting for that ES to go away. Sf is probably one of the best heroes to pubstomp with... | ||
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Asymmetric
Scotland1309 Posts
On March 11 2013 19:58 SilverStar wrote: You should have then started your discussion with data from dota-academy and not from dotabuff. Anti-Mage has a winrate of 41%. Does he need a buff? So yeah, bringing up pub-stats in the first place is wrong. Don't do it. . You don't understand statistic's if you think there wrong, there simply gathered data, which your choosing to interpret a certain way. They are what they are. I did not make a comment on balance. I am merely disappointed that broodmother appears to be struggling in all levels of play both in disorganized pugs and at seeing play in tournaments. On March 11 2013 19:58 SilverStar wrote: I agree the current meta doesn't suit her but talking about buffs from pub-stats is just stupid. No one said anything about buffs. Read. | ||
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Bash
Finland1533 Posts
On March 11 2013 21:22 gaymon wrote: Sf is probably one of the best heroes to pubstomp with... In the trench or with a tryhard 5 stack maybe. He's second only to Meepo in heroes weaknesses of which every pubber knows how to abuse and is just itching to upon seeing him picked. Unlike Meepo he's still fun though regardless. | ||
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Unleashing
Denmark14978 Posts
On March 11 2013 21:24 Asymmetric wrote: You don't understand statistic's if you think there wrong, there simply gathered data, which your choosing to interpret a certain way. They are what they are. I did not make a comment on balance. I am merely disappointed that broodmother appears to be struggling in all levels of play both in disorganized pugs and at seeing play in tournaments. No one said anything about buffs. Read. This is like the second coming of puzzy wuzzy. Also i love SF in pubs for his recovering ability and strong 1v1. | ||
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gaymon
Germany1023 Posts
On March 11 2013 21:31 Bash wrote: In the trench or with a tryhard 5 stack maybe. He's second only to Meepo in heroes weaknesses of which every pubber knows how to abuse and is just itching to upon seeing him picked. Unlike Meepo he's still fun though regardless. Even in Soloqueue, just look at sf games of pros, they will be completely raping everything in the majority of them (the minority is games where they enemys went fullretard and focused all their efforts on shutting down sf). | ||
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Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
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