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On March 02 2013 01:27 Comeh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2013 01:21 cecek wrote:On March 02 2013 01:13 Comeh wrote:
And thus, my point is proved about how we perceive all-women teams in esports. Oh, really? How is that? The Na'Vi video doesn't have much to do with female pro gaming. Polina is a model hired to do stuff like this to promote Na'Vi's product. She has nothing at all to do with female progaming. Meh, fair enough. Gamers as a majority (not as a rule) just usually don't perceive women as equals in the competitive scene (flashback SL3 lan finals vilat's casting). Edit: this is just an observation i"ve noticed as far back as competitive 1.6 gaming ~8 years ago or so. Edit#2: My opinion is that if women want to compete in progaming, it should be done on equal footing as men (as member of a normal team - not an all-women's team.
You are wrong on all ends. They are perceived not as equal because they tend to play worse. And no that doesn't mean they shouldn't have their own leagues. Where else would they play? The enviroment is too hostile so have allfemale leagues is a good thing.
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On March 02 2013 02:11 SilverStar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2013 01:27 Comeh wrote:On March 02 2013 01:21 cecek wrote:On March 02 2013 01:13 Comeh wrote:
And thus, my point is proved about how we perceive all-women teams in esports. Oh, really? How is that? The Na'Vi video doesn't have much to do with female pro gaming. Polina is a model hired to do stuff like this to promote Na'Vi's product. She has nothing at all to do with female progaming. Meh, fair enough. Gamers as a majority (not as a rule) just usually don't perceive women as equals in the competitive scene (flashback SL3 lan finals vilat's casting). Edit: this is just an observation i"ve noticed as far back as competitive 1.6 gaming ~8 years ago or so. Edit#2: My opinion is that if women want to compete in progaming, it should be done on equal footing as men (as member of a normal team - not an all-women's team. You are wrong on all ends. They are perceived not as equal because they tend to play worse. And no that doesn't mean they shouldn't have their own leagues. Where else would they play? The enviroment is too hostile so have allfemale teams is a good thing.
It goes beyond just playing well - they play worse not because they are women, but because they play worse / practice less. The community perceives it as them being women 99% of the time (not an exaggeration).
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I don't really want to get into this discussion though. Na/Vi has the floor right now.
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Russian Federation4050 Posts
On March 02 2013 02:09 Yoshi- wrote:
So is it worth watching?
Some interesting stuff, a lot of nothings, graphs! But i find it difficult to listen to.
Just watch from min 7.
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On March 02 2013 02:09 Yoshi- wrote:
So is it worth watching?
Nah. What i could gather (had tough times to understand)
LightOfHeaven still in contract, he won't go anywhere (until the contract is over). Kuroky got picked for his potentional, plays support (#5 if i heard right).
Na'vi Will go to China, participate in some (Acer??) tournament. (Bootcamping there X-Days, April/march). Mostlikely cancelling stuff in Europe&NA.
Guides and Vlogs coming out by Na'Vi at some point.
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On March 02 2013 02:15 dfs wrote:Some interesting stuff, a lot of nothings, graphs! But i find it difficult to listen to. Just watch from min 7.
9 minutes in, and its just a lot of rambling, nothing much said. Pretty standard.
Edit: Oh, skip to 11 minutes or so. Interesting things said.
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On March 02 2013 02:11 SilverStar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2013 01:27 Comeh wrote:On March 02 2013 01:21 cecek wrote:On March 02 2013 01:13 Comeh wrote:
And thus, my point is proved about how we perceive all-women teams in esports. Oh, really? How is that? The Na'Vi video doesn't have much to do with female pro gaming. Polina is a model hired to do stuff like this to promote Na'Vi's product. She has nothing at all to do with female progaming. Meh, fair enough. Gamers as a majority (not as a rule) just usually don't perceive women as equals in the competitive scene (flashback SL3 lan finals vilat's casting). Edit: this is just an observation i"ve noticed as far back as competitive 1.6 gaming ~8 years ago or so. Edit#2: My opinion is that if women want to compete in progaming, it should be done on equal footing as men (as member of a normal team - not an all-women's team. You are wrong on all ends. They are perceived not as equal because they tend to play worse. And no that doesn't mean they shouldn't have their own leagues. Where else would they play? The enviroment is too hostile so have allfemale leagues is a good thing.
'tend to play worse'
right
There's totally no social stigma about being a female gamer, and gamers certainly aren't massively misogynist at all
NOT. AT. ALL.
clearly these factors wouldn't lead to a lessened desire for females to play games, especially not try to play them competitively.
Tl;dr gaming is a massive boys club, and women feel excluded, which means less female players, and only a small fraction all all players, male or female is good enough to play competitively, so we're down to a pretty tiny group of female pro level gamers.
But you're right, girls just suck at video games, thats why there's less competitive female gamers
They also have cooties.
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Czech Republic18921 Posts
The most interesting bit is going to China for 30-60 days in April/March to participate in Ace/Acer/Eizo (couldn't understand) tournament. Also, buying Kuroky was apparently very expensive, whatever that could mean.
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Russian Federation4050 Posts
This is by far the worst way you could choose to present your organization and announce something, in my opinion.
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On March 02 2013 01:53 dfs wrote:
If we are lucky, NaVi will anounce a bootcamp in China, i read that their manager said that they wanted to make arrangements through LGD.int God. Just adding some gossips for the hell of it.
aaaand...you called it?
Whoa. I'm calling insider information.
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Lalalaland34505 Posts
Lots of thumbs downing going on in that vid, probably due to all the Russians disliking losing AA/LoH. Not surprising.
Only thing of note tbh was the China announcement.
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Russian Federation4050 Posts
Your team is prepering for bootcamp, there will be more content from the players... lets put a guy with shaky english infront of a school board to talk about that for 13 minutes straight! Best idea ever. He barely even says anything important for those 13 minutes.
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Czech Republic18921 Posts
On March 02 2013 02:24 dfs wrote:
Your team is prepering for bootcamp, there will be more content from the players... lets put a guy with shaky english infront of a school board to talk about that for 13 minutes straight! Best idea ever.
I think you're making a way bigger deal out of it, than it really is. I for example appreciate that it's actually the CEO of Na'Vi talking about it...
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Russian Federation4050 Posts
On March 02 2013 02:27 cecek wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2013 02:24 dfs wrote:
Your team is prepering for bootcamp, there will be more content from the players... lets put a guy with shaky english infront of a school board to talk about that for 13 minutes straight! Best idea ever. I think you're making a way bigger deal out of it, than it really is. I for example appreciate that it's actually the CEO of Na'Vi talking about it...
Let's just say i am not a fan of that guy lately. I find his PR choices and some interactions with fans... questionable. And it is not only for the most recent events.
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Let's just say that it could've been worse. wink wink, Ministry of Win statement with kittens...
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So guys, here's this pretty bad news. BUT HERE'S KITTENS, IT'S ALL OK NOW!
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oh shit, i'm so excited to watch this new Navi play again. I wasn't a navi fanboy, but kuroky... WHY KUROKY? Now sometimes I must chose who to cheer: Liquid, Navi or VP.
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Russian Federation4050 Posts
On March 02 2013 02:30 Grettin wrote:
Let's just say that it could've been worse. wink wink, Ministry of Win statement with kittens...
I am afraid we are not that farm from simmilar situation, and they have something better that kittens for that case.
On March 02 2013 02:31 pedrlz wrote:
WHY KUROKY?
Puppy.
On March 02 2013 02:23 Firebolt145 wrote:
Lots of thumbs downing going on in that vid, probably due to all the Russians disliking losing AA/LoH. Not surprising.
Only thing of note tbh was the China announcement.
A lot of thumbs down from russian speaking community that found this announcement on english language. Let's just say interactions with russian-speaking fans has been barely-existent for some time. People are getting pissed.
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Lalalaland34505 Posts
I actually did think that and forgot to write it in my post haha.
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Czech Republic18921 Posts
Wondering who made it to qpad in the end. Any inside info? I could even see Black ditching Mouz for them, no matter how sad it would make me.
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