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Mithhaike
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Singapore2759 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-18 08:48:10
February 18 2013 08:47 GMT
#43721
Yeah man,with Dagon it fixes Treant lack of MP by giving him intel...also fix the lack of magical damage.
In conclusion:-

Due to Treant already having insane physical damage, Dagon 5 is therefore core on Treant for fixing his 2 major problems(lack of MP & reliable magical damage). Each increasing level of dagon also has more intel until dagon 5 which gives an impressive 21 intel if i remember correctly, and reduces MP/CD on the Dagon itself.

Dagon 5 gives 1intel more than 2 Ultimate orbs! or 2 Staff of Wizardry!
Mew Mew Pew Pew
hfglgg
Profile Joined December 2012
Germany5372 Posts
February 18 2013 08:48 GMT
#43722
On February 18 2013 17:46 PrinceXizor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2013 17:41 hfglgg wrote:
On February 18 2013 17:35 PrinceXizor wrote:
On February 18 2013 17:31 ragnorr wrote:
On February 18 2013 17:24 Unleashing wrote:
Is that how we fix treant?! With more dagons?!

dagon 5 core on treant!(Well it is core on every hero but....). He even has the perfect mana pool to use it as well

well you see you get dagon, but then you realize his low mana pool, so you get dagon 5 to reduce the mana cost. but it's fun as hell to do invis drivebys with dagon and natures guise. xD


i played a dagon/e-blade brood for exactly this reason.
was fun as hell :D

it's more fun with treant where you don't get revealed from invis for using spells. xD


did not know this, will try this later!
TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28102 Posts
February 18 2013 08:49 GMT
#43723
On February 18 2013 17:48 hfglgg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2013 17:46 PrinceXizor wrote:
On February 18 2013 17:41 hfglgg wrote:
On February 18 2013 17:35 PrinceXizor wrote:
On February 18 2013 17:31 ragnorr wrote:
On February 18 2013 17:24 Unleashing wrote:
Is that how we fix treant?! With more dagons?!

dagon 5 core on treant!(Well it is core on every hero but....). He even has the perfect mana pool to use it as well

well you see you get dagon, but then you realize his low mana pool, so you get dagon 5 to reduce the mana cost. but it's fun as hell to do invis drivebys with dagon and natures guise. xD


i played a dagon/e-blade brood for exactly this reason.
was fun as hell :D

it's more fun with treant where you don't get revealed from invis for using spells. xD


did not know this, will try this later!

I didn't know that either. I haven't played Treant before, and never see him played in pro matches.
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WindWolf
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Sweden11767 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-18 08:52:54
February 18 2013 08:52 GMT
#43724
On February 18 2013 17:49 TheEmulator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2013 17:48 hfglgg wrote:
On February 18 2013 17:46 PrinceXizor wrote:
On February 18 2013 17:41 hfglgg wrote:
On February 18 2013 17:35 PrinceXizor wrote:
On February 18 2013 17:31 ragnorr wrote:
On February 18 2013 17:24 Unleashing wrote:
Is that how we fix treant?! With more dagons?!

dagon 5 core on treant!(Well it is core on every hero but....). He even has the perfect mana pool to use it as well

well you see you get dagon, but then you realize his low mana pool, so you get dagon 5 to reduce the mana cost. but it's fun as hell to do invis drivebys with dagon and natures guise. xD


i played a dagon/e-blade brood for exactly this reason.
was fun as hell :D

it's more fun with treant where you don't get revealed from invis for using spells. xD


did not know this, will try this later!

I didn't know that either. I haven't played Treant before, and never see him played in pro matches.

I'm 90 % sure that there was team one time during StarLadder S3 who ran Treant, I think it was Skåne
EZ4ENCE
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
February 18 2013 08:52 GMT
#43725
On February 18 2013 17:49 TheEmulator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2013 17:48 hfglgg wrote:
On February 18 2013 17:46 PrinceXizor wrote:
On February 18 2013 17:41 hfglgg wrote:
On February 18 2013 17:35 PrinceXizor wrote:
On February 18 2013 17:31 ragnorr wrote:
On February 18 2013 17:24 Unleashing wrote:
Is that how we fix treant?! With more dagons?!

dagon 5 core on treant!(Well it is core on every hero but....). He even has the perfect mana pool to use it as well

well you see you get dagon, but then you realize his low mana pool, so you get dagon 5 to reduce the mana cost. but it's fun as hell to do invis drivebys with dagon and natures guise. xD


i played a dagon/e-blade brood for exactly this reason.
was fun as hell :D

it's more fun with treant where you don't get revealed from invis for using spells. xD


did not know this, will try this later!

I didn't know that either. I haven't played Treant before, and never see him played in pro matches.

yeah you can blink dagger from tree to tree while invis no reveal, ulti, leech seed, turn others invis, dagon ect.
TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28102 Posts
February 18 2013 08:54 GMT
#43726
On February 18 2013 17:52 PrinceXizor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2013 17:49 TheEmulator wrote:
On February 18 2013 17:48 hfglgg wrote:
On February 18 2013 17:46 PrinceXizor wrote:
On February 18 2013 17:41 hfglgg wrote:
On February 18 2013 17:35 PrinceXizor wrote:
On February 18 2013 17:31 ragnorr wrote:
On February 18 2013 17:24 Unleashing wrote:
Is that how we fix treant?! With more dagons?!

dagon 5 core on treant!(Well it is core on every hero but....). He even has the perfect mana pool to use it as well

well you see you get dagon, but then you realize his low mana pool, so you get dagon 5 to reduce the mana cost. but it's fun as hell to do invis drivebys with dagon and natures guise. xD


i played a dagon/e-blade brood for exactly this reason.
was fun as hell :D

it's more fun with treant where you don't get revealed from invis for using spells. xD


did not know this, will try this later!

I didn't know that either. I haven't played Treant before, and never see him played in pro matches.

yeah you can blink dagger from tree to tree while invis no reveal, ulti, leech seed, turn others invis, dagon ect.

wow, Treant seems imba.
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PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-18 09:01:23
February 18 2013 09:00 GMT
#43727
On February 18 2013 17:54 TheEmulator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2013 17:52 PrinceXizor wrote:
On February 18 2013 17:49 TheEmulator wrote:
On February 18 2013 17:48 hfglgg wrote:
On February 18 2013 17:46 PrinceXizor wrote:
On February 18 2013 17:41 hfglgg wrote:
On February 18 2013 17:35 PrinceXizor wrote:
On February 18 2013 17:31 ragnorr wrote:
On February 18 2013 17:24 Unleashing wrote:
Is that how we fix treant?! With more dagons?!

dagon 5 core on treant!(Well it is core on every hero but....). He even has the perfect mana pool to use it as well

well you see you get dagon, but then you realize his low mana pool, so you get dagon 5 to reduce the mana cost. but it's fun as hell to do invis drivebys with dagon and natures guise. xD


i played a dagon/e-blade brood for exactly this reason.
was fun as hell :D

it's more fun with treant where you don't get revealed from invis for using spells. xD


did not know this, will try this later!

I didn't know that either. I haven't played Treant before, and never see him played in pro matches.

yeah you can blink dagger from tree to tree while invis no reveal, ulti, leech seed, turn others invis, dagon ect.

wow, Treant seems imba.

hahah. he's just fun and has a lot of fun involved in his gameplay that most people don't even bother to use, then declare him boring. ^^ i think he's in a good place, he just needs to be worked into a team.
Haee
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
522 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-18 09:36:23
February 18 2013 09:34 GMT
#43728
I don't get the hero at all. All three of his core abilities are actually pretty good and leech seed itself is pretty decent (the slow leech seed does even if it's only 3 seconds is no joke) but the main thing is his ulti.

At first I thought that the ulti would fit in some place even after the nerf because of it's reduced cooldown but without it doing any damage and a mediocre radius size, i think treant's teamfighting ability is horrendous. Is his role an initiatior? If it is than I don't see him competing with tide, enigma, mag or sand king are leagues above Treant in fulfilling their role.


PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-18 09:51:07
February 18 2013 09:41 GMT
#43729
On February 18 2013 18:34 Haee wrote:
I don't get the hero at all. All three of his core abilities are actually pretty good and leech seed itself is pretty decent (the slow leech seed does even if it's only 3 seconds is no joke) but the main thing is his ulti.

At first I thought that the ulti would fit in some place even after the nerf because of it's reduced cooldown but without it doing any damage and a mediocre radius size, i think treant's teamfighting ability is horrendous. Is his role an initiatior? If it is than I don't see him competing with tide, enigma, mag or sand king are leagues above Treant in fulfilling their role.



You use it after the engagement or to initiate a smoke gank. Treants actually one of the strongest team fighting characters.

also treant excels at protecting towers early unlike almost all of those characters.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-18 10:47:50
February 18 2013 10:46 GMT
#43730
On February 18 2013 18:41 PrinceXizor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2013 18:34 Haee wrote:
I don't get the hero at all. All three of his core abilities are actually pretty good and leech seed itself is pretty decent (the slow leech seed does even if it's only 3 seconds is no joke) but the main thing is his ulti.

At first I thought that the ulti would fit in some place even after the nerf because of it's reduced cooldown but without it doing any damage and a mediocre radius size, i think treant's teamfighting ability is horrendous. Is his role an initiatior? If it is than I don't see him competing with tide, enigma, mag or sand king are leagues above Treant in fulfilling their role.



You use it after the engagement or to initiate a smoke gank. Treants actually one of the strongest team fighting characters.

also treant excels at protecting towers early unlike almost all of those characters.


I assume you are being sarcastic as the running joke in the thread because some of these statements are flat out lies. Tower protection revolves around either the ability to creep clear or the ability to force favourable engagements. Tree doesn't have either, all he can do is heal the tower after the enemy has backed off. He also isn't one of strongest teamfighting characters as he only has one useful teamfight ability. The rest of his kit is only good for skirmishing so while he has good teamfight calling it one of the strongest is just a bit too much.

I think he's good in a lineup that uses him well but what annoys me is when people misrepresent the character in order to sound more favourable. He does some stuff well and others not so well. That's all there is to it.
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
February 18 2013 10:56 GMT
#43731
No he's incredible at defending towers once he's 6 he essentially keeps every t1 alive and can tp around to force a good fight with his ult, leech seed is incredible in team fights in the mid game (like almost all slows it drops off in value late game) but the aoe heal is very strong. People underrate overgrowth a ton. it's one of the best team fight control spells in the game that and his ability to save his teammates and keep heals up to counter initiate make him one of the hardest heroes to initiate on. this defensive strength helps him greatly in defending towers. you simply don't initiate into overgrowth. He's not a plug into any lineup hero. but what he does (defensive play to stall until mid game and dominate mid game team fights) he is probably the best supportive character at that.
Qbek
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Poland12923 Posts
February 18 2013 10:57 GMT
#43732
Fucking treant again...
This space left intentionally dank /)3(\ http://i.imgur.com/RmeEUcF.png
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-18 10:58:31
February 18 2013 10:58 GMT
#43733
Quit hating on treant. He's not a joke character. stop spreading all these lies about him.
synapse
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
February 18 2013 11:10 GMT
#43734
HAH! Treant.

Driveby dagon does sound pretty fun though.
:)
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
February 18 2013 11:23 GMT
#43735
On February 18 2013 19:58 PrinceXizor wrote:
Quit hating on treant. He's not a joke character. stop spreading all these lies about him.


I don't think people think he's a joke. The joke is more the people acting like he's the best shit since sliced bread ;>
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
February 18 2013 11:25 GMT
#43736
On February 18 2013 20:23 Numy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2013 19:58 PrinceXizor wrote:
Quit hating on treant. He's not a joke character. stop spreading all these lies about him.


I don't think people think he's a joke. The joke is more the people acting like he's the best shit since sliced bread ;>

he's not broken like puppey and synderon thought he'd be for sure, but he's a good hero. :/

and the way this thread acts, they think he's the worst in the game.
Qbek
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Poland12923 Posts
February 18 2013 11:25 GMT
#43737
Treat this tread seriously, it's good for your health!
This space left intentionally dank /)3(\ http://i.imgur.com/RmeEUcF.png
Mithhaike
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Singapore2759 Posts
February 18 2013 11:47 GMT
#43738
Should i be sorry for bringing treant up?

rofl.
Mew Mew Pew Pew
Gosi
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Sweden9072 Posts
February 18 2013 11:49 GMT
#43739
DAE think they should rework Treant?? Like if agree
[13:40] <Qbek> gosi i dreanmt about you
yyfpulls
Profile Joined November 2012
United States2185 Posts
February 18 2013 12:20 GMT
#43740
On February 18 2013 20:49 Gosi wrote:
DAE think they should rework Treant?? Like if agree


He needs his old ult back. He's so useless right now.
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