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On December 20 2012 17:11 ChrisXIV wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 17:04 trinxified wrote:
Drow is a pure pub stomper. You can only really delay her farm, but she will inevitably get big because of her innate abilities that allow her to farm no matter how far behind she is.
Though, of course when you're a 5-stack team, it's easy to contain her due to communication and just constant ganking. Even then, might not be enough because she'll farm back up anyway or at least allow other carries to farm instead.
I'm surprised the winrate is only 60%. I was expecting nearing 80%, because almost every time I see her, it's a win for the team she's on.
Her abilities don't allow her to farm, her abilities allow her to be strong without having to farm, but only to an extent. 80% huh? Good that Dota 2 is not balanced based on your anecdotal evidence, then.
How does an ability that gives her extra agility when enemies aren't nearby not allow her to farm? It's exactly what it does, it boosts her farm by a lot, in teamfights against good teams her ult will probably be disabled a lot of the time.
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On December 20 2012 17:11 ChrisXIV wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 17:04 trinxified wrote:
Drow is a pure pub stomper. You can only really delay her farm, but she will inevitably get big because of her innate abilities that allow her to farm no matter how far behind she is.
Though, of course when you're a 5-stack team, it's easy to contain her due to communication and just constant ganking. Even then, might not be enough because she'll farm back up anyway or at least allow other carries to farm instead.
I'm surprised the winrate is only 60%. I was expecting nearing 80%, because almost every time I see her, it's a win for the team she's on.
Her abilities don't allow her to farm, her abilities allow her to be strong without having to farm, but only to an extent. 80% huh? Good that Dota 2 is not balanced based on your anecdotal evidence, then.
Huh what?
Her abilities allow her to farm easily without items... Hence my statement about her being able to farm any point of the game easily, despite how far behind she is.
Of course I only talk about pubs. I don't know how successful she will be in competitive play, but nonetheless, it's straight up frustrating.
Most hard carries have a phase where farm is slow, hard, and have a tough time doing it without early core items. Drow on the other hand doesn't need the core items to farm. Sven, Void, PA, AM, etc., all need a critical core item to actually start farming decently. Now, compare that to Drow. Luna I'd say is pretty close to not needing as much items like Drow, but she still needs a lane partner for the most part.
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Can u talk about how much Drow is imba wtf bbq in the other thread ? Thank you. Sad they didn't add anything to CM, Sile was already ready to rape the comp scene :p
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Is there any place to play pick up games? I get pretty bored with pubs.
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I feel the Greeviling is an ongoing study by valve proving we'd play anything just to get more shinies
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Having fun playing this new mode and I am liking the new map as well.
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On December 20 2012 18:03 Incze wrote:
I feel the Greeviling is an ongoing study by valve proving we'd play anything just to get more shinies
Idk, i don't care much for the hats, i really enjoy the mode. Am i the only one who just thinks of it as a fun mode? Seems nearly everyone either hates it or plays it for items.
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Coming back to greeviling.
I have noticed, that Greevil spells level up as well. I guess linearly with hero level, but need confirmation.
Since the description of spells contains things like "blue egg" or "exort essence", I think it's safe to say seraphic greevils can get every single spell available.
Since stat boosts greevils have over normal naked greevils depend on amount of essences also, white greevils and black greevils(which seem to be identical to white ones, except color) are indeed the overall strongest type, though more likely to have crappy spells.
Also I find it hard to swallow that greevils have immense amount of health. I had Centaur, and at every point in time my greevil form had about twice the hp of my hero form. There are not many heroes that even get as many hp as cent.
If Greevil skills were randomized every game, I'd be happier. My white greevil has leech seed, ice wall and purificcation. My other 2 greevils have magic missile and bash, but they aren't white. The green one has no movementspeed bonus, so he is basically unable to bash reliably anyhow.
I just get angry everytime I see a greevil with blackhole. So jealous.
(I feel fucked over because I didn't have luck with spells on my greevil. Leech seed is weak sauce, ice wall is ok but not great and purificationstart off awful and gets decent later. Nothing as great as magic missile, hook or blackhole)
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Little analysis judging from my greevils:
Blue is 10 magic armor (per essence)
Yellow is 20 attack speed
Green(Blue+Yellow) is 100 health
Red is 20 move speed
Orange(Red+Yellow) is 10% crit chance
Attack damage and armor must come from Purple(Blue+Red) and White(all colors together) respectively, but I can't judge from my 3 greevils.
Also Black is probably counted as lvl 3 white, since my white greevil only has a level 2 white egg spell.
Any confirmation?
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Only played one game of the greeviling, didnt like it at all..
But I need to farm that TA set, dammit ^^
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I got a greevil with maledict decrepify and veno's nova. Everything dies so quickly with a magnus on our team or something.
My other greevil has magic missile, ice wall and black hole
I guess I got pretty lucky
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On December 20 2012 18:12 Unleashing wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 18:03 Incze wrote:
I feel the Greeviling is an ongoing study by valve proving we'd play anything just to get more shinies Idk, i don't care much for the hats, i really enjoy the mode. Am i the only one who just thinks of it as a fun mode? Seems nearly everyone either hates it or plays it for items.
I love it. Better than diretide imo. Diretide got stale after a while.
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On December 20 2012 18:12 Unleashing wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 18:03 Incze wrote:
I feel the Greeviling is an ongoing study by valve proving we'd play anything just to get more shinies Idk, i don't care much for the hats, i really enjoy the mode. Am i the only one who just thinks of it as a fun mode? Seems nearly everyone either hates it or plays it for items.
I don't care about hats either but I don't see me playing this mode for much longer because my Greevil is just trash compared to what others have.
It would be 10x funnier if all the Greevils were the same or, even better, you could choose the skills at the beginning of the game.
Either way, I'm still gonna play it a little and go back to normal doto when i'll get bored of it.
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Seen a couple of streamers with a fraps/ping/cpu/other shit readout in the top right of their clients, is that an overlay or something I can put in using the console or third party program?
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Console
net_graph 1 - activates it
net_graphproportionalfont 0 - makes everything smaller
net_graphinsettop/bottom XXX - play with the numbers to position it vertically
net_graphinsetright/left XXX - play with the numbers to position it horizontally
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goddamn no medusa and valve released the patch earlier than usual?! I have 5 grevilles i wonder what abilities will i get lol
Too bad i am away from home until sunday -_-
goddamn i want that new CM set!!!!
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Anyone else having problems connection Dota network?
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