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hooahah
Profile Joined October 2011
3752 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-15 20:56:15
October 15 2012 20:55 GMT
#25161
On October 16 2012 04:52 Qbek wrote:
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On October 16 2012 04:49 hooahah wrote:
been playing with phantom lancer a bit more, and I find him funner to play now that I'm actually using doppleganger as more than an escape mechanism. Still right-click galore, but pretty fun

then again I used it mostly to troll - especially pudge. It was like a game of whack-a-mole where all the moles were fake :D

There's a certain level of pubs where people are good enough to know not cast spells on pl before illu checking him but too bad to get dusts all the time. It gets really awkward sometimes. I hope you get to play a game like this sometimes, it's a good laugh when you are on the PL side


>_> how do I illusion check? damage them and see which one takes the least damage? usually it's obvious which clone is the real one since it'd be the only one controlled, but I don't actually know how to differ between them

or does the dust mark which one is the real one?
Implenia
Profile Joined August 2012
Austria3846 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-15 21:02:48
October 15 2012 20:56 GMT
#25162
I don't understand whats going on but it looks awesome:

http://www.twitch.tv/ogamingtv

edit: it was a talk show, now they are showing a game
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
October 15 2012 20:57 GMT
#25163
On October 16 2012 05:48 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
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On October 16 2012 05:32 NB wrote:
I think this is a bug, not so sure: If you are being targeted by Assasinate, you will be able to see a debuff on yourself. The debuff doesnt even work correctly bc it has a timer that doesnt take count of projectile travel time.


That should be working as intended. Projectile travel time is never accounted for so that is normal. The debuff should be a related to the channeling of Sniper and I don't think it is hidden like other debuffs like charge from spirit breaker.

im pretty sure the debuff stay after the charge and the duration is almost as long as 2 times the bullet travel time. and i dont think the debuff should be visible, i dont recall seeing that debuff ever in war3
Im daed. Follow me @TL_NB
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-15 21:14:21
October 15 2012 21:01 GMT
#25164
On October 16 2012 05:55 hooahah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2012 04:52 Qbek wrote:
On October 16 2012 04:49 hooahah wrote:
been playing with phantom lancer a bit more, and I find him funner to play now that I'm actually using doppleganger as more than an escape mechanism. Still right-click galore, but pretty fun

then again I used it mostly to troll - especially pudge. It was like a game of whack-a-mole where all the moles were fake :D

There's a certain level of pubs where people are good enough to know not cast spells on pl before illu checking him but too bad to get dusts all the time. It gets really awkward sometimes. I hope you get to play a game like this sometimes, it's a good laugh when you are on the PL side


>_> how do I illusion check? damage them and see which one takes the least damage? usually it's obvious which clone is the real one since it'd be the only one controlled, but I don't actually know how to differ between them

or does the dust mark which one is the real one?


Illusions take additional damage. If you use an ability on it and it does more damage than normal then it is an illusion. They also deal a lot less damage so you can sometimes pay attention to attack swings. If multiple illusions are attacking a single unit this can become quite tricky though.

I am testing debuff. Gotta level up to 6 ^_^ Indeed no debuff. Also should have remembered about easymode.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
Implenia
Profile Joined August 2012
Austria3846 Posts
October 15 2012 21:21 GMT
#25165
Also is anyone planning on making a big SL3 final thread?
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
October 15 2012 21:47 GMT
#25166
On October 16 2012 04:28 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
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On October 16 2012 04:06 Slardar wrote:
On October 16 2012 03:43 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
No, just playing Veno I don't really like his wards. They just don't really fit the way I want to play him. I'd prefer another debuff or disable.


The passive poison sting is god awful shouldn't be leveled past 1 early on. That leaves you with Gale and Wards to skill. Gale to roam gank a lot, and Wards to push or defend vs aggressive people. Problem is most of the time you won't be getting mad farm+levels cause you're a Veno so you're stuck playing x or y builds.

On the off chance you're middle to counter Templar Assassin, same thing applies. Poison sting or Gale leveled doesn't increase the damage interval speed, just more damage. So neither of that helps you to remove her Refraction shield asap. Worst case just rush Divine Rapier.


I know how it works. It's just a stupid, boring skill.

vs TA mid you have to get poison sting to level 2 for it to remove refraction. The magic reduction means that level 1 sting only does like 3.5 damage or something and it takes over 5 to remove a refraction point. (I've never tested this but been told it before).

Outside of that I fall squarely on the side of it being Veno's worst ability.
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
October 15 2012 22:55 GMT
#25167
morph pre patch owns it, post patch never played it but since the animation of wave is longer, qop should win that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
5-s
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1674 Posts
October 15 2012 23:11 GMT
#25168
On October 16 2012 04:39 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
I'm not particularly interested in giving you the rundown. Suffice it to say, I know what I'm doing, and I think it's a boring skill.

Whether it's boring or not, it's the one you should max first in most situations. Wanting to be different or exciting has never been a good reason to use bad builds.
I liked Dota before it was Mainstream.
Slardar
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada7596 Posts
October 15 2012 23:16 GMT
#25169
TERRIFIED OF WHATS INSIDE, TO SAVE HIS LIFE, HE SKILLS GALE SO HIS ENEMIES CRAWL LIKE A WORM FROM A BIRD.

People will do whatever they want. Optimal does not = having fun to some people.
BeanerBurrito
Profile Joined December 2010
1010 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-15 23:22:11
October 15 2012 23:21 GMT
#25170
It makes me sad when people on my team want to play badly for fun

They need to make a casual matchmaking queue option, but i know it would just end up with more baddies queuing for "super leet pro" matchmaking

How to differentiate between people who want to win and people that just play to play?
What they say: "I'm gonna play support!" What they mean: "I'm gonna feed all game!"
JeeJee
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Canada5652 Posts
October 15 2012 23:24 GMT
#25171
On October 16 2012 08:21 BeanerBurrito wrote:
It makes me sad when people on my team want to play badly for fun

They need to make a casual matchmaking queue option, but i know it would just end up with more baddies queuing for "super leet pro" matchmaking

How to differentiate between people who want to win and people that just play to play?


Game mode usually.
CM and maaaaybe RD is generally for people who wanna win.
Anything else, you're rolling dice.
(\o/)  If you want it, you find a way. Otherwise you find excuses. No exceptions.
 /_\   aka Shinbi (requesting a name change since 27/05/09 ☺)
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-15 23:28:09
October 15 2012 23:25 GMT
#25172
On October 16 2012 08:21 BeanerBurrito wrote:
It makes me sad when people on my team want to play badly for fun

They need to make a casual matchmaking queue option, but i know it would just end up with more baddies queuing for "super leet pro" matchmaking

How to differentiate between people who want to win and people that just play to play?

Game starts

X has Randomned.
Y Has Randomned.
Z Has Randomned.
V Has Randomned.

Alternativly

Bounty Hunter Picked
Anti-Mage Picked
Furion Picked

etc.
WriterXiao8~~
BeanerBurrito
Profile Joined December 2010
1010 Posts
October 15 2012 23:26 GMT
#25173
On October 16 2012 08:24 JeeJee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2012 08:21 BeanerBurrito wrote:
It makes me sad when people on my team want to play badly for fun

They need to make a casual matchmaking queue option, but i know it would just end up with more baddies queuing for "super leet pro" matchmaking

How to differentiate between people who want to win and people that just play to play?


Game mode usually.
CM and maaaaybe RD is generally for people who wanna win.
Anything else, you're rolling dice.


I've actually started queuing for cm and have had better games overall, however there are still people that go "PICK ME SNIPER OR I LEAVE"

Other problem with queuing cm is getting people that aren't familiar with picking, but also don't take advice about picking.

I want the tryhard queue option
What they say: "I'm gonna play support!" What they mean: "I'm gonna feed all game!"
Kishin2
Profile Joined May 2011
United States7534 Posts
October 15 2012 23:26 GMT
#25174
If they make an unranked queue then it could be with reduced/no item drop or something.
JeeJee
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Canada5652 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-15 23:28:56
October 15 2012 23:27 GMT
#25175
On October 16 2012 08:26 BeanerBurrito wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2012 08:24 JeeJee wrote:
On October 16 2012 08:21 BeanerBurrito wrote:
It makes me sad when people on my team want to play badly for fun

They need to make a casual matchmaking queue option, but i know it would just end up with more baddies queuing for "super leet pro" matchmaking

How to differentiate between people who want to win and people that just play to play?


Game mode usually.
CM and maaaaybe RD is generally for people who wanna win.
Anything else, you're rolling dice.


I've actually started queuing for cm and have had better games overall, however there are still people that go "PICK ME SNIPER OR I LEAVE"

Other problem with queuing cm is getting people that aren't familiar with picking, but also don't take advice about picking.

I want the tryhard queue option


That'd be the dota2 irc inhouses, I wager.
I don't really know the skill level or popularity that's involved though, since I never bothered to look into it. I play for fun so I'm one of those players you dislike
(\o/)  If you want it, you find a way. Otherwise you find excuses. No exceptions.
 /_\   aka Shinbi (requesting a name change since 27/05/09 ☺)
Alur
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Denmark3900 Posts
October 15 2012 23:27 GMT
#25176
On October 16 2012 08:21 BeanerBurrito wrote:
It makes me sad when people on my team want to play badly for fun

They need to make a casual matchmaking queue option, but i know it would just end up with more baddies queuing for "super leet pro" matchmaking

How to differentiate between people who want to win and people that just play to play?

I want to win, and I play to play. Those two are not mutually exclusive.
AKA No can Dazzle | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlTpX7z3Pok
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NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
October 15 2012 23:29 GMT
#25177
If you play to win, match making is the wrong place to go. Find yourself a team and start scrimming is the ONLY correct way to 'play to win'. Match making should always be reserved for solo players with room for testing/maneuver. This is also why Valve said they will be releasing team match making very soon. The Team profile they implemented last weeks was one step closer into having team match making.
Im daed. Follow me @TL_NB
Laserist
Profile Joined September 2011
Turkey4269 Posts
October 15 2012 23:29 GMT
#25178
On October 16 2012 08:25 Kipsate wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On October 16 2012 08:21 BeanerBurrito wrote:
It makes me sad when people on my team want to play badly for fun

They need to make a casual matchmaking queue option, but i know it would just end up with more baddies queuing for "super leet pro" matchmaking

How to differentiate between people who want to win and people that just play to play?

Game starts

X has Randomned.
Y Has Randomned.
Z Has Randomned.
V Has Randomned.


Today I am one of those 'random' guys, luckly got storm and stomp them hard:
https://dotabuff.com/matches/49980938

Sometimes I grow tired of counter-picking opponent or forced to pick support because of 4 carry pickers. Randoming doesn't mean that you don't take the game serious.
“Are you with the Cartel? Because you’re definitely an Angel.”
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
October 15 2012 23:32 GMT
#25179
On October 16 2012 08:29 Laserist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2012 08:25 Kipsate wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On October 16 2012 08:21 BeanerBurrito wrote:
It makes me sad when people on my team want to play badly for fun

They need to make a casual matchmaking queue option, but i know it would just end up with more baddies queuing for "super leet pro" matchmaking

How to differentiate between people who want to win and people that just play to play?

Game starts

X has Randomned.
Y Has Randomned.
Z Has Randomned.
V Has Randomned.


Today I am one of those 'random' guys, luckly got storm and stomp them hard:
https://dotabuff.com/matches/49980938

Sometimes I grow tired of counter-picking opponent or forced to pick support because of 4 carry pickers. Randoming doesn't mean that you don't take the game serious.

I know, but it is an indication, I try to win everygame, but randoming to me is fun, maybe not so much to to others.
WriterXiao8~~
BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-16 00:21:31
October 15 2012 23:33 GMT
#25180
On October 16 2012 08:25 Kipsate wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2012 08:21 BeanerBurrito wrote:
It makes me sad when people on my team want to play badly for fun

They need to make a casual matchmaking queue option, but i know it would just end up with more baddies queuing for "super leet pro" matchmaking

How to differentiate between people who want to win and people that just play to play?

Game starts

X has Randomned.
Y Has Randomned.
Z Has Randomned.
V Has Randomned.


Yo, some players are that good with many heroes!

On a serious note, i was watching some stream today and I have learned that people with profile icons like natalie portman, alien from space invaders, nyancat and hatsune miku tend to throw (troll) their games alot so be careful when you see them!
is 2017, stop being lame, fuck's sakes. 'Can't wait for the rise of the cakes and humanity's last stand tbqh.'
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