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On October 16 2012 04:09 Osteriet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2012 04:07 ChrisXIV wrote:On October 16 2012 04:04 Osteriet wrote:He morphed a lot of agi and had regen sailing in.. He could lasthit up to a second sooner than me :/ went ganking and rune control so gave my safelane freefarm and my suicide regular farm.. but im still feeling a bit owned atm  If he morphed that much you could have just killed him, look at the replay - what were his HP? What regen? Salves? Bottle? both i guess. Tried scream harassing but could never get him lower than 1/3.. and there is always the threat of a waveform if you dive.. Should probably just have stayed in lane. I can pm you replay if you want
Should harass with shadowstrike. Level 1 deals 200 dmg... Unless he has 2 bottles, he'll eventually fail to keep up with your harass, then go fucking kill him.
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On October 16 2012 04:12 Heh_ wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2012 04:09 Osteriet wrote:On October 16 2012 04:07 ChrisXIV wrote:On October 16 2012 04:04 Osteriet wrote:He morphed a lot of agi and had regen sailing in.. He could lasthit up to a second sooner than me :/ went ganking and rune control so gave my safelane freefarm and my suicide regular farm.. but im still feeling a bit owned atm If he morphed that much you could have just killed him, look at the replay - what were his HP? What regen? Salves? Bottle? both i guess. Tried scream harassing but could never get him lower than 1/3.. and there is always the threat of a waveform if you dive.. Should probably just have stayed in lane. I can pm you replay if you want Should harass with shadowstrike. Level 1 deals 200 dmg... Unless he has 2 bottles, he'll eventually fail to keep up with your harass, then go fucking kill him.
Ok didnt even remotely do that.. The slow should also annoy him when last hitting.. thx
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On October 16 2012 04:12 ChrisXIV wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2012 04:09 Osteriet wrote:On October 16 2012 04:07 ChrisXIV wrote:On October 16 2012 04:04 Osteriet wrote:He morphed a lot of agi and had regen sailing in.. He could lasthit up to a second sooner than me :/ went ganking and rune control so gave my safelane freefarm and my suicide regular farm.. but im still feeling a bit owned atm If he morphed that much you could have just killed him, look at the replay - what were his HP? What regen? Salves? Bottle? both i guess. Tried scream harassing but could never get him lower than 1/3.. and there is always the threat of a waveform if you dive.. Should probably just have stayed in lane. I can pm you replay if you want You can PM me the replay, but I won't be able to watch it until tomorrow. ^^' Show nested quote +On October 16 2012 04:09 -FmP- wrote:
Wraith band 2 branch pooled tango + flask completely destroyed qop mid pre-patch (see any sylar game from ti2). The disparity obviously is not as big as it was before 6.75, but morph is still a fairly strong solo mid. No idea what the above posters are talking about. Why are you comparing a pub Morph to Sylar backed by his team? :/
Obviously I'm not saying the morph he laned vs was Sylar or that a morph NEEDS to be pooled regen to beat a qop. All I'm saying is that morph vs qop is a difficult lane for the qop, not the cakewalk it was made out to be by the posts I read.
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Post patch nonpooled morph is rather weak on mid, but can still be troublesome for some heroes. But qop should be able to win handily just spamming shadowstrike and abusing her superior range
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A good QoP should not lose 1v1 versus a Morphling. You can blink dodge waveform, and you drastically outrange him. He may get those last hits from the higher damage but as what was said, Shadow Strike will take it's toll. Plus you should have complete and utter rune control.
*edit* Post patch.
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On October 16 2012 04:06 Slardar wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2012 03:43 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
No, just playing Veno I don't really like his wards. They just don't really fit the way I want to play him. I'd prefer another debuff or disable. The passive poison sting is god awful shouldn't be leveled past 1 early on. That leaves you with Gale and Wards to skill. Gale to roam gank a lot, and Wards to push or defend vs aggressive people. Problem is most of the time you won't be getting mad farm+levels cause you're a Veno so you're stuck playing x or y builds. On the off chance you're middle to counter Templar Assassin, same thing applies. Poison sting or Gale leveled doesn't increase the damage interval speed, just more damage. So neither of that helps you to remove her Refraction shield asap. Worst case just rush Divine Rapier.
I take 1 level in gale, then ward over sting and ulti everytime available, in that order, maxing gale last. The damage over time and the slow of sting are very annoying I feel.
I just ended up playing a veno solo mid as no one wanted to mid, first blooded the pudge, got a bottle and ganked top with an invis, then bottom with the next rune (haste), it was a fun game =) (not related with my build above tho) Got my level 3 ulti pretty fast, now that I think about it it was a perfect game to pick a scepter (ended up going manta and butterfly after arcane forcestaff and mek, with my level advantage an agha would have been even better perhaps)
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On October 16 2012 04:19 -FmP- wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2012 04:12 ChrisXIV wrote:On October 16 2012 04:09 Osteriet wrote:On October 16 2012 04:07 ChrisXIV wrote:On October 16 2012 04:04 Osteriet wrote:He morphed a lot of agi and had regen sailing in.. He could lasthit up to a second sooner than me :/ went ganking and rune control so gave my safelane freefarm and my suicide regular farm.. but im still feeling a bit owned atm If he morphed that much you could have just killed him, look at the replay - what were his HP? What regen? Salves? Bottle? both i guess. Tried scream harassing but could never get him lower than 1/3.. and there is always the threat of a waveform if you dive.. Should probably just have stayed in lane. I can pm you replay if you want You can PM me the replay, but I won't be able to watch it until tomorrow. ^^' On October 16 2012 04:09 -FmP- wrote:
Wraith band 2 branch pooled tango + flask completely destroyed qop mid pre-patch (see any sylar game from ti2). The disparity obviously is not as big as it was before 6.75, but morph is still a fairly strong solo mid. No idea what the above posters are talking about. Why are you comparing a pub Morph to Sylar backed by his team? :/ Obviously I'm not saying the morph he laned vs was Sylar or that a morph NEEDS to be pooled regen to beat a qop. All I'm saying is that morph vs qop is a difficult lane for the qop, not the cakewalk it was made out to be by the posts I read.
Why would you ever pool regen for Morph in a matchup he wins without pooled regen? That makes no sense.
Supports pooling regen for a hero means that he needs it badly enough/it makes a big enough difference to have 1 less set of wards for the team early game.
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On October 16 2012 04:06 Slardar wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2012 03:43 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
No, just playing Veno I don't really like his wards. They just don't really fit the way I want to play him. I'd prefer another debuff or disable. The passive poison sting is god awful shouldn't be leveled past 1 early on. That leaves you with Gale and Wards to skill. Gale to roam gank a lot, and Wards to push or defend vs aggressive people. Problem is most of the time you won't be getting mad farm+levels cause you're a Veno so you're stuck playing x or y builds. On the off chance you're middle to counter Templar Assassin, same thing applies. Poison sting or Gale leveled doesn't increase the damage interval speed, just more damage. So neither of that helps you to remove her Refraction shield asap. Worst case just rush Divine Rapier.
I know how it works. It's just a stupid, boring skill.
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On October 16 2012 04:28 LuckoftheIrish wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2012 04:06 Slardar wrote:On October 16 2012 03:43 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
No, just playing Veno I don't really like his wards. They just don't really fit the way I want to play him. I'd prefer another debuff or disable. The passive poison sting is god awful shouldn't be leveled past 1 early on. That leaves you with Gale and Wards to skill. Gale to roam gank a lot, and Wards to push or defend vs aggressive people. Problem is most of the time you won't be getting mad farm+levels cause you're a Veno so you're stuck playing x or y builds. On the off chance you're middle to counter Templar Assassin, same thing applies. Poison sting or Gale leveled doesn't increase the damage interval speed, just more damage. So neither of that helps you to remove her Refraction shield asap. Worst case just rush Divine Rapier. I know how it works. It's just a stupid, boring skill.
I'm pretty sure you're using them wrong
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On October 16 2012 04:30 Qbek wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2012 04:28 LuckoftheIrish wrote:On October 16 2012 04:06 Slardar wrote:On October 16 2012 03:43 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
No, just playing Veno I don't really like his wards. They just don't really fit the way I want to play him. I'd prefer another debuff or disable. The passive poison sting is god awful shouldn't be leveled past 1 early on. That leaves you with Gale and Wards to skill. Gale to roam gank a lot, and Wards to push or defend vs aggressive people. Problem is most of the time you won't be getting mad farm+levels cause you're a Veno so you're stuck playing x or y builds. On the off chance you're middle to counter Templar Assassin, same thing applies. Poison sting or Gale leveled doesn't increase the damage interval speed, just more damage. So neither of that helps you to remove her Refraction shield asap. Worst case just rush Divine Rapier. I know how it works. It's just a stupid, boring skill. I'm pretty sure you're using them wrong
I'm pretty sure you smell like feet. We have equal evidence for our claims.
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On October 16 2012 04:32 LuckoftheIrish wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2012 04:30 Qbek wrote:On October 16 2012 04:28 LuckoftheIrish wrote:On October 16 2012 04:06 Slardar wrote:On October 16 2012 03:43 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
No, just playing Veno I don't really like his wards. They just don't really fit the way I want to play him. I'd prefer another debuff or disable. The passive poison sting is god awful shouldn't be leveled past 1 early on. That leaves you with Gale and Wards to skill. Gale to roam gank a lot, and Wards to push or defend vs aggressive people. Problem is most of the time you won't be getting mad farm+levels cause you're a Veno so you're stuck playing x or y builds. On the off chance you're middle to counter Templar Assassin, same thing applies. Poison sting or Gale leveled doesn't increase the damage interval speed, just more damage. So neither of that helps you to remove her Refraction shield asap. Worst case just rush Divine Rapier. I know how it works. It's just a stupid, boring skill. I'm pretty sure you're using them wrong I'm pretty sure you smell like feet. We have equal evidence for our claims.
I hoped for a description of how u use them as answer. I find wards a great multi purpouse skill, maybe you're not using them for some of those purpouses
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Veno can be very fun with certain line up but my favourite support has to be CM. She is the queen of laning and i love to play her as bitchy as possible to the point that in some of the games the whole oppo team wanted me to die so badly, they ignore the 4 heroes in front me and come right on me (obvious I die a horrible death but my team wipe them clean). Ya, i love my bitchy CM!!
thanks for throwing these links from time to time xD general lr thread seems really far from me since the forum expanded.
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I'm not particularly interested in giving you the rundown. Suffice it to say, I know what I'm doing, and I think it's a boring skill.
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On October 16 2012 04:25 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2012 04:19 -FmP- wrote:On October 16 2012 04:12 ChrisXIV wrote:On October 16 2012 04:09 Osteriet wrote:On October 16 2012 04:07 ChrisXIV wrote:On October 16 2012 04:04 Osteriet wrote:He morphed a lot of agi and had regen sailing in.. He could lasthit up to a second sooner than me :/ went ganking and rune control so gave my safelane freefarm and my suicide regular farm.. but im still feeling a bit owned atm If he morphed that much you could have just killed him, look at the replay - what were his HP? What regen? Salves? Bottle? both i guess. Tried scream harassing but could never get him lower than 1/3.. and there is always the threat of a waveform if you dive.. Should probably just have stayed in lane. I can pm you replay if you want You can PM me the replay, but I won't be able to watch it until tomorrow. ^^' On October 16 2012 04:09 -FmP- wrote:
Wraith band 2 branch pooled tango + flask completely destroyed qop mid pre-patch (see any sylar game from ti2). The disparity obviously is not as big as it was before 6.75, but morph is still a fairly strong solo mid. No idea what the above posters are talking about. Why are you comparing a pub Morph to Sylar backed by his team? :/ Obviously I'm not saying the morph he laned vs was Sylar or that a morph NEEDS to be pooled regen to beat a qop. All I'm saying is that morph vs qop is a difficult lane for the qop, not the cakewalk it was made out to be by the posts I read. Why would you ever pool regen for Morph in a matchup he wins without pooled regen? That makes no sense. Supports pooling regen for a hero means that he needs it badly enough/it makes a big enough difference to have 1 less set of wards for the team early game.
I understand what you're saying about not pooling heroes regen unless they need it, but I see morph as a unique case in this situation as he benefits much more from being bale to build a full wraith when compared to other heroes. I think LGD recognized this, and felt the tradeoff between losing 90/100 gold on each support was worth securing Sylar the extra lane presence to further solidify the fact that he wins the lane 100%.
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On October 16 2012 04:39 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
I'm not particularly interested in giving you the rundown. Suffice it to say, I know what I'm doing, and I think it's a boring skill.
Not gonna argue about opinions, but I enjoy the wards a lot. Especially killing those runes from enemy mids :D
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been playing with phantom lancer a bit more, and I find him funner to play now that I'm actually using doppleganger as more than an escape mechanism. Still right-click galore, but pretty fun
then again I used it mostly to troll - especially pudge. It was like a game of whack-a-mole where all the moles were fake :D
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On October 16 2012 04:49 hooahah wrote:
been playing with phantom lancer a bit more, and I find him funner to play now that I'm actually using doppleganger as more than an escape mechanism. Still right-click galore, but pretty fun
then again I used it mostly to troll - especially pudge. It was like a game of whack-a-mole where all the moles were fake :D
There's a certain level of pubs where people are good enough to know not cast spells on pl before illu checking him but too bad to get dusts all the time. It gets really awkward sometimes. I hope you get to play a game like this sometimes, it's a good laugh when you are on the PL side
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I think this is a bug, not so sure: If you are being targeted by Assasinate, you will be able to see a debuff on yourself. The debuff doesnt even work correctly bc it has a timer that doesnt take count of projectile travel time.
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On October 16 2012 05:32 NB wrote:
I think this is a bug, not so sure: If you are being targeted by Assasinate, you will be able to see a debuff on yourself. The debuff doesnt even work correctly bc it has a timer that doesnt take count of projectile travel time.
That should be working as intended. Projectile travel time is never accounted for so that is normal. The debuff should be a related to the channeling of Sniper and I don't think it is hidden like other debuffs like charge from spirit breaker.
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