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Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
October 12 2012 01:55 GMT
#24681
I personally like urn a lot more than medallion as well. the thing about weaver is that it relies on you attacking an enemy around a total of 7-8 times to be as effective as an urn, with less effective survivability on weaver, and higher cost. Medallion can shine as a midgame item if you're getting destroyed after say tranq aquila wand urn or if another player has an urn, but i'd general pick up a drums or a vit booster in that slot. Medalion's damage increase also becomes less effective once the target has negative armor, a feat that's quite easy to achieve through swarm alone in the midgame.
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
Heh_
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Singapore2712 Posts
October 12 2012 02:13 GMT
#24682
Match number 48711105. Just watch the last minute of the replay, it's pretty silly.
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rwrzr
Profile Joined February 2010
United States1980 Posts
October 12 2012 02:46 GMT
#24683
On October 12 2012 10:53 PassiveAce wrote:
How do you play Clock? I really like the idea of the hero but every time I play him I do terribly. I think my strengths while playing the hero are that I am pretty good at using my nuke globally to help other lanes and ganks, and using my ultimate to set up kills of my own, but I find myself to be completely garbage at everything else.

I am terrible at using cogs properly, I often just wind up getting myself killed because I use it improperly. I also have no idea what good items are for him, or what is good situationally on him.
I'm also not really clear what my role should be in a lot of games, normally i try to play as a beefy initiator, but sometimes I feel unsure if that's the right way to play him, and maybe I should take a more supportive role.

Halp? Advice?


Not to sure about item advice, but I like blademail on any tanky initiator just because being there first means you are an easy target.

As far as how to use cog the only thoughts i have are be aware of how big your cog is and also the fact that it can help or hurt your team.

Using cog to stop chasers by blocking a ramp and killing one side is a good use.

Using cog immediately after initiating and splitting your team from a teamfight is a bad use. (I've seen this happen so many times in Radiant forest and near Roshan.)

Hopefully someone more knowledgeable will come along.

FADC
Emnjay808
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States10666 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-12 03:00:10
October 12 2012 02:57 GMT
#24684
On October 12 2012 10:53 PassiveAce wrote:
How do you play Clock? I really like the idea of the hero but every time I play him I do terribly. I think my strengths while playing the hero are that I am pretty good at using my nuke globally to help other lanes and ganks, and using my ultimate to set up kills of my own, but I find myself to be completely garbage at everything else.

I am terrible at using cogs properly, I often just wind up getting myself killed because I use it improperly. I also have no idea what good items are for him, or what is good situationally on him.
I'm also not really clear what my role should be in a lot of games, normally i try to play as a beefy initiator, but sometimes I feel unsure if that's the right way to play him, and maybe I should take a more supportive role.

Halp? Advice?


Clockwerk is one of those heroes that relies on your team to follow up on your initiation. You have the right idea of going the "beefy initiator" role. Basically all you need to do is land a nice hook, set up your cogs, and turn on battery assault. This is more than enough to disorient the enemy team and give the rest of your team the time to follow up.

As far as items are concerned blademail, phaseboots, cloak (into pipe), and agh scepter. Anything from there is situational. Maybe forcestaff to give yourself more mobility.
Skol
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
October 12 2012 03:22 GMT
#24685
nah, dont listen to them, there are 2 ways of playing cog now: traditional and post 6.75

Traditional you go maxing rocket, rune control, map control with rocket vision. Basicly Rocket -> Battery -> cog but get 1 level of cog around lv 2 or 4. Farm until urn+tranquil, level 6 start ganking people, initiate with rocket, after 2-3 rocket on target-> hook him -> gangbang if you have a teammate. Otherwise keep farming until eul. Combo is trap-> battery -> eul -> free battery dmg. Eul also let you set up cog and escape and movement etc, pretty much perfect item on clock. Late game get blade mail/hood/heart/shiva etc... Your main role entering late game is split pushing using rocket and be annoying with the rest of your skill set.

NEW CLOCK BUILD: max out cog-> battery, fuck rocket. You go support. Go safe lane and protect carry. You approach enemy at a certain range and turn on cog-> they ran out of mana+ HP, at level 1 it cost 50 mana and 15 sec cooldown(less than rocket) and you dont have to worry about pushing lane. Build tanky, get mek ward etc and pretty much be VS 2.0 for the other team to rape your ass so your carries could get kills.

GG.
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Cool Cat
Profile Joined June 2009
United States1644 Posts
October 12 2012 03:29 GMT
#24686
On October 12 2012 12:22 NB wrote:
nah, dont listen to them, there are 2 ways of playing cog now: traditional and post 6.75

Traditional you go maxing rocket, rune control, map control with rocket vision. Basicly Rocket -> Battery -> cog but get 1 level of cog around lv 2 or 4. Farm until urn+tranquil, level 6 start ganking people, initiate with rocket, after 2-3 rocket on target-> hook him -> gangbang if you have a teammate. Otherwise keep farming until eul. Combo is trap-> battery -> eul -> free battery dmg. Eul also let you set up cog and escape and movement etc, pretty much perfect item on clock. Late game get blade mail/hood/heart/shiva etc... Your main role entering late game is split pushing using rocket and be annoying with the rest of your skill set.

NEW CLOCK BUILD: max out cog-> battery, fuck rocket. You go support. Go safe lane and protect carry. You approach enemy at a certain range and turn on cog-> they ran out of mana+ HP, at level 1 it cost 50 mana and 15 sec cooldown(less than rocket) and you dont have to worry about pushing lane. Build tanky, get mek ward etc and pretty much be VS 2.0 for the other team to rape your ass so your carries could get kills.

GG.

Thanks man. I wasn't sure how to play clock after the recent patch.
igotmyown
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States4291 Posts
October 12 2012 03:38 GMT
#24687
On October 12 2012 12:22 NB wrote:
nah, dont listen to them, there are 2 ways of playing cog now: traditional and post 6.75

Traditional you go maxing rocket, rune control, map control with rocket vision. Basicly Rocket -> Battery -> cog but get 1 level of cog around lv 2 or 4. Farm until urn+tranquil, level 6 start ganking people, initiate with rocket, after 2-3 rocket on target-> hook him -> gangbang if you have a teammate. Otherwise keep farming until eul. Combo is trap-> battery -> eul -> free battery dmg. Eul also let you set up cog and escape and movement etc, pretty much perfect item on clock. Late game get blade mail/hood/heart/shiva etc... Your main role entering late game is split pushing using rocket and be annoying with the rest of your skill set.

NEW CLOCK BUILD: max out cog-> battery, fuck rocket. You go support. Go safe lane and protect carry. You approach enemy at a certain range and turn on cog-> they ran out of mana+ HP, at level 1 it cost 50 mana and 15 sec cooldown(less than rocket) and you dont have to worry about pushing lane. Build tanky, get mek ward etc and pretty much be VS 2.0 for the other team to rape your ass so your carries could get kills.

GG.

Very interesting alternative build. But missing out on level 1 maphack rockets, to set up your lanes early? I believe I remember a 2009 video where basically all his pre-creep spawn rockets scout out the opponents perfectly.
KillerSOS
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States4207 Posts
October 12 2012 05:13 GMT
#24688
On October 12 2012 12:22 NB wrote:
nah, dont listen to them, there are 2 ways of playing cog now: traditional and post 6.75

Traditional you go maxing rocket, rune control, map control with rocket vision. Basicly Rocket -> Battery -> cog but get 1 level of cog around lv 2 or 4. Farm until urn+tranquil, level 6 start ganking people, initiate with rocket, after 2-3 rocket on target-> hook him -> gangbang if you have a teammate. Otherwise keep farming until eul. Combo is trap-> battery -> eul -> free battery dmg. Eul also let you set up cog and escape and movement etc, pretty much perfect item on clock. Late game get blade mail/hood/heart/shiva etc... Your main role entering late game is split pushing using rocket and be annoying with the rest of your skill set.

NEW CLOCK BUILD: max out cog-> battery, fuck rocket. You go support. Go safe lane and protect carry. You approach enemy at a certain range and turn on cog-> they ran out of mana+ HP, at level 1 it cost 50 mana and 15 sec cooldown(less than rocket) and you dont have to worry about pushing lane. Build tanky, get mek ward etc and pretty much be VS 2.0 for the other team to rape your ass so your carries could get kills.

GG.


I think you're missing the point of the rocket... It's his best skill by far.
5-s
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1674 Posts
October 12 2012 05:47 GMT
#24689
I don't know NB I think you're still in 2009 land when you needed heroes to babysit carries
I liked Dota before it was Mainstream.
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
October 12 2012 06:24 GMT
#24690
On October 12 2012 14:47 5-s wrote:
I don't know NB I think you're still in 2009 land when you needed heroes to babysit carries

2010 is where its at
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LAN-f34r
Profile Joined December 2010
New Zealand2099 Posts
October 12 2012 06:26 GMT
#24691
Babysiting may become more prominent - with the buffs to ganking and nerfs to elusive carries like morph and AM, we may see more alch/PL/SF etc who need to be babysat in order to pay off vs ganking.
The only barrier to truth is the presumption that you already have it. It's through our pane (pain) we window (win though).
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
October 12 2012 07:14 GMT
#24692
On October 12 2012 15:26 LAN-f34r wrote:
Babysiting may become more prominent - with the buffs to ganking and nerfs to elusive carries like morph and AM, we may see more alch/PL/SF etc who need to be babysat in order to pay off vs ganking.

PL is pretty hard to gank, lol. Even if you have detection, you're likely to pass a bunch of fake Lancers on the way through the jungle.
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Implenia
Profile Joined August 2012
Austria3846 Posts
October 12 2012 07:26 GMT
#24693
Any good way to counter PL effectively?
Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
October 12 2012 07:28 GMT
#24694
[image loading]

Also deso weaver 2 gud. Especially with the deso buff.
From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
October 12 2012 07:45 GMT
#24695
On October 12 2012 16:26 Implenia wrote:
Any good way to counter PL effectively?

morphling. So you can have PL too!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
paper
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
13196 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-12 07:55:38
October 12 2012 07:55 GMT
#24696
the best way to play clockwerk imo is to get 1 in cog, max battery (so cog or battery first) and rest in rockets with fast phase boots

this gives you 10x more power than maxing rockets first because you can actually get reliable kills with battery. rocket cooldown is way too long to do anything meaningful and the dmg is laughably bad
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
October 12 2012 07:58 GMT
#24697
Battery max is definitely more appropriate for mid. Rocket max is largely for off-lane where Battery isn't as practical for doing the stuff that Rocket is good for (sneaking lasthits at long range, screwing up creep pulls, etc.
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Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
October 12 2012 08:05 GMT
#24698
and stealing kills with your mad haxx0r skilz
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
October 12 2012 08:07 GMT
#24699
On October 12 2012 16:28 Unleashing wrote:
[image loading]

Also deso weaver 2 gud. Especially with the deso buff.

deso weaver is cost inefficient i theorize, even though ultimately you do slightly less damage with bugs and you cant just switch targets, medallion+demon edge into buriza/mkb is more cost efficient atm. if only deso did 10 more damage

i also wanna fuck around with armlet one day but i'm busy
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
Percutio
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1672 Posts
October 12 2012 08:10 GMT
#24700
So we all agree on the best clockwerk build then?

Rockets when thing and battery when this but sometimes cogs if also. I think I'm going to stick with whatever fits the situation.
What does it matter how I loose it?
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