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MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
October 10 2012 14:07 GMT
#24381
On October 10 2012 22:44 Yacobs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2012 21:49 MrCon wrote:
By the way, I'd really wish to find an article about lane equilibrium, theory and practice.
Even when I solo mid against no opponent I can't maintain the lane in the middle ><
Same for the side lanes, I have a hard time to keep them close to the tower.
On the other hand I often manage to pull the long lane close to my tower by denying very early and then tanking the creeps before they enter the range of my tower the time needed for my creeps to arrive.


It just takes a little practice. You want to look at what creeps are there right now and basically determine if both sides have an equal army or not. Count the number of melees, the number of ranged, etc. Look at their life bars. Look at the minimap to see how soon your next creepwave will arrive. Then adjust it. You also should look at what the enemy is up to. If they're auto-attacking like crazy then you know you can autoattack their creeps a bit if you want to.

I did all of that but not the look the minimap for the next wave part =)
The problem if often the catapults, well I'll try harder.
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
October 10 2012 14:10 GMT
#24382
On October 10 2012 22:39 Appendix wrote:
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On October 10 2012 22:30 Kipsate wrote:
Appearently this one is on sale

http://1saleaday.com/main/

50 bucks
[image loading]
I'd buy one if my Headset broke down between now and 14hours left as of this moment.


Only ships to the US :\

Ukranian Team

only ships to US

T.T.
WriterXiao8~~
Incze
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Romania2058 Posts
October 10 2012 14:12 GMT
#24383
On October 10 2012 22:39 Heh_ wrote:
I random in 100% of my allpick games, then repick if I get sniper or meepo (or hard carry if there's already 2 hard carries). Obviously I don't make a random choice in RD, SD and CM.

PMS is a good item to spend random gold on for melee agil heroes. Or bottle + 4 branches. QB is nice if you're expecting a melee vs melee lane. Or get wards, courier, upgrade courier, Or just save the extra gold if I can't think of anything useful to buy.

Btw I soloqueued randomed my way from normal to high bracket in 150-200 games. Currently, my games are almost exclusively in high bracket, but I don't see how randoming is any worse in very high bracket. AP games in that bracket are still a crapshoot.



Please don't get a bottle at the start of the game. In more than 99% of cases you should never ever do that, and even in those few cases it's questionable, and rarely the best option. Also, if you're not the mid or a roamer you generally shouldn't get one at all unless you really know what you're doing.
High in 150-200 games isn't that good, really. I broke high in ~30-40 games
Religion: Buckethead
Dead9
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States4725 Posts
October 10 2012 14:20 GMT
#24384
bottle first mid off random gold is fine on a lot of heroes
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-10 14:31:41
October 10 2012 14:22 GMT
#24385
While bottle first when random seems attractive(4 gg branches+bottle!) I usually like to go either a nulls or a Wraith band instead (or something tanky if you are NS or something like that), it will give you a pretty nice advantage in mid lane and you can get your bottle just fine.

its not terrible getting bottle first but its not optimal either
WriterXiao8~~
Incze
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Romania2058 Posts
October 10 2012 14:24 GMT
#24386
With that random gold I'd much rather get more stats and regen than a bottle. You don't even need it until the second rune, and you should be able to farm it by then and ferry it over unless you spent all your gold at the start (don't)
Religion: Buckethead
Testuser
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
6469 Posts
October 10 2012 14:27 GMT
#24387
On October 10 2012 23:20 Dead9 wrote:
bottle first mid off random gold is fine on a lot of heroes

Not really. You'd be better off getting something that could give you lane dominance - you need your bottle about the 1:40/50 mark, not at 0:00.
https://soundcloud.com/papercranesdk
tube
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States1475 Posts
October 10 2012 14:49 GMT
#24388
if you random mid standard build is boots orb of venom
Two in harmony surpasses one in perfection.
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
October 10 2012 14:56 GMT
#24389
what is the mechanic of mana removal on Clock cog? does it deal x0.75 dmg like mana burn on diffisual?
Im daed. Follow me @TL_NB
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
October 10 2012 14:57 GMT
#24390
On October 10 2012 20:42 Kupon3ss wrote:
I think we've got a shikyo over here
as expected of a member of the TL dota all-star team

Shikyo actually claimed Xizor would be his replacement.
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-10 14:58:47
October 10 2012 14:57 GMT
#24391
On October 10 2012 23:57 Nevuk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2012 20:42 Kupon3ss wrote:
I think we've got a shikyo over here
as expected of a member of the TL dota all-star team

Shikyo actually claimed Xizor would be his replacement.

i'm nothing like him. -.-

On October 10 2012 23:56 NB wrote:
what is the mechanic of mana removal on Clock cog? does it deal x0.75 dmg like mana burn on diffisual?

I wanna know this also it might just be mana removal and not mana burn at all. since it says it does 200 damage and 200 mana.
Dead9
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States4725 Posts
October 10 2012 14:58 GMT
#24392
there are very few mid matchups where you can purchase lane dominance by buying 5 or 6 more damage
most of the time the ability to cast spells freely makes up for the lasthit damage, especially on heroes with strong level1 spells like beastmaster and zeus
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
October 10 2012 15:04 GMT
#24393
On October 10 2012 23:57 PrinceXizor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2012 23:57 Nevuk wrote:
On October 10 2012 20:42 Kupon3ss wrote:
I think we've got a shikyo over here
as expected of a member of the TL dota all-star team

Shikyo actually claimed Xizor would be his replacement.

i'm nothing like him. -.-

Show nested quote +
On October 10 2012 23:56 NB wrote:
what is the mechanic of mana removal on Clock cog? does it deal x0.75 dmg like mana burn on diffisual?

I wanna know this also it might just be mana removal and not mana burn at all. since it says it does 200 damage and 200 mana.

Pretty sure it's mana removal. Also didn't claim you were, just that Shikyo said "thank god princexizor is here so people will stop focusing on me" ... then got banned.
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
October 10 2012 15:04 GMT
#24394
On October 10 2012 23:57 PrinceXizor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2012 23:57 Nevuk wrote:
On October 10 2012 20:42 Kupon3ss wrote:
I think we've got a shikyo over here
as expected of a member of the TL dota all-star team

Shikyo actually claimed Xizor would be his replacement.

i'm nothing like him. -.-

Show nested quote +
On October 10 2012 23:56 NB wrote:
what is the mechanic of mana removal on Clock cog? does it deal x0.75 dmg like mana burn on diffisual?

I wanna know this also it might just be mana removal and not mana burn at all. since it says it does 200 damage and 200 mana.

according to the shill description, you wont get shocked if you have 0 mana, so i was assuming that the mechanic is similar to mana burn.
Im daed. Follow me @TL_NB
Incze
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Romania2058 Posts
October 10 2012 15:05 GMT
#24395
Except when 5-6 makes the difference between getting last hits and not getting last hits.
Religion: Buckethead
Klonere
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Ireland4123 Posts
October 10 2012 15:07 GMT
#24396
So Brax is definitely going to China, confirmed inadvertently twice on Draskyll's team. Who were the others meant to be going?
BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
October 10 2012 15:07 GMT
#24397
On October 10 2012 21:52 PrinceXizor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2012 21:50 ChrisXIV wrote:
This thread feels more like Mafia the longer this is going on. I have a town read on Xizor. Everyone is overreacting.

without the fun.


Solo queue is the most disheartening shit ever, I have seen so many autolose games, like, literally autolose from the start. In lower mmr the best heroes to go are huskar/ursa/riki or any mid heroes able to own game (if you failed to own mid then it is another autolose); and then you get higher up you see these (rus) players last pick BH/another carry etc to screw up the team or noobs who (thought they are good but) randomed heroes they couldn't play at higher level etc etc while sometimes you do get amazing team with random people who actually support and make space for you to farm D:

The rule of thumb when you soloqueue is to either pick good mid or go semi-carry (to carry the game if team failed). I always last pick nowadays so i almost always ended up with support or hardlane hero. It is getting disgusting at this stage because when you support/hardlane you are literally gambling on the mid/carry to perform well, and when you go carry you are gambling on how well the team actually know how to play the game (gank/push/support). I have seen enough players that I cursed them why they are wasting our oxygen to breathe, support who farmed when we team fight, 2v1 lane sitting at the back with me to fight last hit with me, no ward/dust/sentry when oppo have invi heroes and of course no vision for the map (i am talking about the critical vision needed moments not those typical excuse of some bad mid gets ganked/lost rune control because of no ward). I know nowadays (in my so called 'very high' skill games or whatever) people help their mid to control rune and gank mid harder but still it is not the reason to blame of losing mid because when you mid you need to have high level of game sense/map awareness in the first place.

Simply put, don't solo queue. Play with decent mate/s (attitude and skill wise). And never whine about no ward/dust etc, you should always buy 1/2 dust/ward when you play mid/carry anyway (if you needed a reference, i recently found out that 820/2009 etc always get the flying cour for team and dust when needed). Never EVER play mm during weekend (i know, it is sad). The last thing to keep in mind is don't take mm too serious, is a damn trolling mm system, nothing more (atm). Speaking this from my 1600+games experience (hell yeah i love doing my msc course so much free time <3).
is 2017, stop being lame, fuck's sakes. 'Can't wait for the rise of the cakes and humanity's last stand tbqh.'
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-10 15:09:33
October 10 2012 15:09 GMT
#24398
from 853 gold you can buy
Null Talisman 490
Salve 100
Tango 90
3 gg branches 153

6 to str, 6 to agi, 9 to int and 3 damage(that is 12 motherfucking damage bitches)

Same can be done for agility heroes, this as opposed to 4 stats to all.

You will still get your bottle just fine, I can see it work on Zeus though.
WriterXiao8~~
Dead9
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States4725 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-10 15:12:22
October 10 2012 15:09 GMT
#24399
in the vast, vast majority of cases 5-6 damage isn't going to make a difference
obviously on heroes like sf or invoker it doesn't make sense to open bottle first but it's fine for most heroes

edit: if you spend all 853 gold you can't get bottle before 2min
you need to leave at least 200 gold open, usually closer to 300~400 though
BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
October 10 2012 15:09 GMT
#24400
^Holy that whine post of mine is huge D:

So is LGD EU really happening??
is 2017, stop being lame, fuck's sakes. 'Can't wait for the rise of the cakes and humanity's last stand tbqh.'
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