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Appendix
Sweden979 Posts
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cilinder007
Slovenia7251 Posts
On October 08 2012 17:43 Krohm wrote: Does anyone here know what level a person should be at corresponding with the time of the game? I'm not sure how to word this better so I can find it on goggle, but so far my search results have yielded nothing. Like for example it's 5 minutes into the game you should be level X. I know there are many variables but there should be some sort of average level. I guess there would be an average if you too data from a lot of games but that kind of info is totaly usless, because it totaly depends what role you are playing, what kind of lanes you have, how the game is going, there is no standard | ||
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Tobberoth
Sweden6375 Posts
On October 08 2012 17:43 Krohm wrote: Does anyone here know what level a person should be at corresponding with the time of the game? I'm not sure how to word this better so I can find it on goggle, but so far my search results have yielded nothing. Like for example it's 5 minutes into the game you should be level X. I know there are many variables but there should be some sort of average level. Not really much that can be said... stuff like "As anti-mage, if you have battlefury by 16 minutes, you're doing fine" is sort of useful, but it depends on the game. if you get freefarm and are good at farming, you should get it earlier... if you're forced to help your team, you should probably get other items before the battle fury and the timing aspect goes out the window immediately.. and that's just 1 hero in 2 different situations, it's too complex to make general guidelines. Specific heroes and specific situations is possible though, such as "Approximately when should I be able to solo Roshan as lycan" etc. | ||
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grobo
Japan6199 Posts
On October 08 2012 18:06 Appendix wrote: I would like a comment system similar to what most poker softwares have, so you can scribble down a note or two on other players just as a reminder to yourself. "Played support well" "Very aggressive player" etc. All stored locally as simple text files only accessible by you. Is this a bad idea? I would love something like this. | ||
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Prime`Rib
United States613 Posts
On October 08 2012 18:06 Appendix wrote: I would like a comment system similar to what most poker softwares have, so you can scribble down a note or two on other players just as a reminder to yourself. "Played support well" "Very aggressive player" etc. All stored locally as simple text files only accessible by you. Is this a bad idea? It is already in there. Just checked your most played hero and their winrate. | ||
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mrk1
91 Posts
On October 08 2012 14:21 igotmyown wrote: Um, he has a 40% win rate. The problem is in a pub, a bad ally will slow you down a lot. And he can't dominate the lane until he gets a handful of items, in which time the enemy team will dominate their lanes. Edit: he has the 3rd worst win rate, behind meepo and brood, the 10th worst kda ratio whatever that is, 8th worst in kills (everyone ahead of him is a healer, wisp, kotl, or enigma). Not concluding he has no chance of being competitive, but definitely not a pub hero. This patch Alch has bigger w/rate than Brood, Morph, Treant, AM. Bigger KDA than Ursa, Huskar, AM, Lyca, + Lion, Lina etc nukers. The thing is most people still play him wrong by maxing greed 1st. Alche stun (which is actually ridiculous) + any even somewhat decent laner will guarantee winning the lane. | ||
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Vaelone
Finland4400 Posts
On October 08 2012 18:56 Prime`Rib wrote: It is already in there. Just checked your most played hero and their winrate. "on other players" | ||
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Yoshi-
Germany10227 Posts
On October 08 2012 18:56 mrk1 wrote: This patch Alch has bigger w/rate than Brood, Morph, Treant, AM. Bigger KDA than Ursa, Huskar, AM, Lyca, + Lion, Lina etc nukers. The thing is most people still play him wrong by maxing greed 1st. Alche stun (which is actually ridiculous) + any even somewhat decent laner will guarantee winning the lane. Not really, maxing greed is normally the better way to go. Especially when we talk statistic, all carry items on Alch have a win rate of 60+%, all early game items have a winrate <50%. That early game alchemist is not really that good. | ||
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mrk1
91 Posts
On October 08 2012 19:00 Yoshi- wrote: Especially when we talk statistic, all carry items on Alch have a win rate of 60+%, all early game items have a winrate <50%. That early game alchemist is not really that good. What. Magic wand has 37%, TP scroll has 40%, branch at 25% w/r. Item statistics isn't something to follow or base arguments on. The list only has mostly carry items anyway. Getting 50cs @ 10 minute with alchemist without greed is the same as any other hero getting 50cs at that time. No need for goblins greed to get the extra 400g and it will NOT slow you down. I'm not saying it shouldn't be taken, I'm trying to say that maxing concotion is in most cases always better (plus the fact that it's pretty damn good now). | ||
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Yoshi-
Germany10227 Posts
That is huge. Don't play alch as a ganker, when all his spells are either farming spells or scale extremly well with items | ||
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mrk1
91 Posts
On October 08 2012 19:22 Yoshi- wrote: 50cs(which is not much for a carry at 10 minute) will result in around 1k Extra gold. That is huge. Don't play alch as a ganker, when all his spells are either farming spells or scale extremly well with items Well I guess we misspoke, nowhere did I say he should be played as a ganker or not be a farmer to get items. I was saying concotion will give you the lane dominance you need to get that farm. Especially in pubs. | ||
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BlueBird.
United States3890 Posts
On October 08 2012 19:17 mrk1 wrote: What. Magic wand has 37%, TP scroll has 40%, branch at 25% w/r. Item statistics isn't something to follow or base arguments on. The list only has mostly carry items anyway. Getting 50cs @ 10 minute with alchemist without greed is the same as any other hero getting 50cs at that time. No need for goblins greed to get the extra 400g and it will NOT slow you down. I'm not saying it shouldn't be taken, I'm trying to say that maxing concotion is in most cases always better (plus the fact that it's pretty damn good now). branch, wand have low win rates cause people sell them before the game ends I think TP scroll people used them or something I don't think it's IF you used a TP during the game, if it is it should have a 50% win rate exactly right? Also if you win the game your bound to have completed one big ticket item because of tower gold, assists/kills etc, I don't think items w/l ratio have any merit whatsoever. | ||
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LAN-f34r
New Zealand2099 Posts
On October 08 2012 19:00 Yoshi- wrote: Not really, maxing greed is normally the better way to go. Especially when we talk statistic, all carry items on Alch have a win rate of 60+%, all early game items have a winrate <50%. That early game alchemist is not really that good. While I agree with carry alch, dotabuff item stats don't reflect how good an item is. If a player gets enough farm to get a radiance, they are more likely to win than if they didn't get enough farm. It's not that radiance is super duper fantastic, its just that if a player is good enough to get there they will probably be good enough to win. Same thing with refresher tide - a player that gets that fed is probably that fed for a reason. That's why aegis has such a high winrate - if you have it you are probably going to die defending (There is no point not to when they are attacking your ancient), and as such most of the time a player that has aegis will lose it before they lose the game, and as such that won't be recorded in dotabuffs stats. But yes, max greed is the way to go in competitive at least. You can argue that stun is better for pubstomping, but even better than that is picking NS/riki/ursa. | ||
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mrk1
91 Posts
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Yoshi-
Germany10227 Posts
The thing is most people still play him wrong by maxing greed 1st. Alche stun (which is actually ridiculous) + any even somewhat decent laner will guarantee winning the lane. You said that instead of maxing greed, you should max stun first. And not that an early level of stun could be useful | ||
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Kazzoo
France368 Posts
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mrk1
91 Posts
On October 08 2012 19:52 Yoshi- wrote: You said that instead of maxing greed, you should max stun first. And not that an early level of stun could be useful Exactly. Given the situation obviously, 3stun2greed/4stun3greed(or2 w/ ulti if u need it). Leveling one stun over greed as I said. | ||
Firebolt145
Lalalaland34505 Posts
On October 08 2012 20:07 mrk1 wrote: Exactly. Given the situation obviously, 3stun2greed/4stun3greed(or2 w/ ulti if u need it). Leveling one stun over greed as I said. And skipping acid spray? That's the skill that makes him jump far ahead if he has a support stacking the jungle for him. | ||
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mrk1
91 Posts
On October 08 2012 20:14 Firebolt145 wrote: And skipping acid spray? That's the skill that makes him jump far ahead if he has a support stacking the jungle for him. It's all situational. If you max greed as people want and get spray you will most likely lose to a decent lane. I'm talking about pubs of course. | ||
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Porkz
Denmark1027 Posts
Also this: On October 08 2012 19:25 BlueBird. wrote: Also if you win the game your bound to have completed one big ticket item because of tower gold, assists/kills etc, I don't think items w/l ratio have any merit whatsoever. This is atleast true for the items you buy at the end of the game, from tower/rax/hut gold you get as you end the game.. I often find myself finishing items right before the game ends even tho it had no actual effect on the game | ||
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