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Implenia
Austria3846 Posts
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Candadar
2049 Posts
On October 08 2012 11:32 BeMannerDuPenner wrote: alch is best pubstomp hero. lothars -> nerub combo on steroids(way longer stun, way way more follow up dmg) , get kills, get armlet mjollnir, kill evryone. Lifestealer has always been my pubstomp hero. Once I get a few items, oh man does the rape train leave and never stop. People just don't know how to deal with it, especially when you get like a Storm Spirit ^^ | ||
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BurningSera
Ireland19621 Posts
Overall is some nice pub games where he went really high, heard that he is going to stream for the next few days to test out the new heroes. | ||
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teapoted
United Kingdom24425 Posts
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igotmyown
United States4291 Posts
On October 08 2012 11:32 BeMannerDuPenner wrote: alch is best pubstomp hero. lothars -> nerub combo on steroids(way longer stun, way way more follow up dmg) , get kills, get armlet mjollnir, kill evryone. Um, he has a 40% win rate. The problem is in a pub, a bad ally will slow you down a lot. And he can't dominate the lane until he gets a handful of items, in which time the enemy team will dominate their lanes. Edit: he has the 3rd worst win rate, behind meepo and brood, the 10th worst kda ratio whatever that is, 8th worst in kills (everyone ahead of him is a healer, wisp, kotl, or enigma). Not concluding he has no chance of being competitive, but definitely not a pub hero. | ||
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bokeevboke
Singapore1674 Posts
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r.Evo
Germany14081 Posts
On October 08 2012 15:04 bokeevboke wrote: Can anyone summarize what spells/abilites are being cast on that awesome 1000FPS video in OP? Thank you We had a post somewhere which summarized the whole battle really well. t.t | ||
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SirMilford
Australia1269 Posts
On October 08 2012 14:00 teapoted wrote: I'm so glad SF is back, hopefully to stay. He is to me the hero that represents competitive Dota, although he hasn't had that role in a long time. SF's weakness still remains in his inability to survive ganks. And with smoke being in the game not-nerfed and most supports getting buffs (ward costs etc), i can't see him every coming back to solo mid. I can however see him becoming a stable solo offlane if the opponent is running an agressive trilane. I think I saw Navi using him, but with admiration as a solo bot while playing on the radiant side. But it was in combo with a naga siren, infact he can fill the role that Morphling filled for naga. A strong Agi based carry solo hero with a super strong midgame and excellent laning. Just without as many escapes. | ||
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Shai
Canada806 Posts
On October 08 2012 14:21 igotmyown wrote: Um, he has a 40% win rate. The problem is in a pub, a bad ally will slow you down a lot. And he can't dominate the lane until he gets a handful of items, in which time the enemy team will dominate their lanes. Edit: he has the 3rd worst win rate, behind meepo and brood, the 10th worst kda ratio whatever that is, 8th worst in kills (everyone ahead of him is a healer, wisp, kotl, or enigma). Not concluding he has no chance of being competitive, but definitely not a pub hero. Hey, not sure if you heard, but 6.75 came out! It brought a lot of changes. Some of those changes were relating to Alchemist - specifically, three of his spells were buffed! As you may imagine, people are speculating about how this will change his winrates moving into the future. Thanks for your vigor in spouting statistics, but they're not completely relevant here! /smugteachervoice | ||
Firebolt145
Lalalaland34505 Posts
On October 08 2012 15:49 Shai wrote: Hey, not sure if you heard, but 6.75 came out! It brought a lot of changes. Some of those changes were relating to Alchemist - specifically, three of his spells were buffed! As you may imagine, people are speculating about how this will change his winrates moving into the future. Thanks for your vigor in spouting statistics, but they're not completely relevant here! /smugteachervoice Alchemist has a 44.6% winrate in this patch only. Slightly better than 40% but still pretty poor. Not much speculation involved. | ||
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Ramong
Denmark1706 Posts
On October 08 2012 15:57 Firebolt145 wrote: Alchemist has a 44.6% winrate in this patch only. Slightly better than 40% but still pretty poor. Not much speculation involved. Antimage got 42% win rate this patch, that doesn't mean he is bad. | ||
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Firebolt145
Lalalaland34505 Posts
On October 08 2012 16:00 Ramong wrote: Antimage got 42% win rate this patch, that doesn't mean he is bad. Agreed, rereading my post I didn't mean to imply winrate = balance. But just wanted to say that the percentages stated are only taking 6.75 into account. | ||
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Mr. Wiggles
Canada5894 Posts
On October 08 2012 16:00 Ramong wrote: Antimage got 42% win rate this patch, that doesn't mean he is bad. This discussion needs more graphs. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/H5lGO.png) I think the proper conclusion to draw here is that Antimage is now a worse hero than Alchemist and they both need a sizable buff, Antimage more so. | ||
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Porkz
Denmark1027 Posts
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igotmyown
United States4291 Posts
On October 08 2012 15:49 Shai wrote: Hey, not sure if you heard, but 6.75 came out! It brought a lot of changes. Some of those changes were relating to Alchemist - specifically, three of his spells were buffed! As you may imagine, people are speculating about how this will change his winrates moving into the future. Thanks for your vigor in spouting statistics, but they're not completely relevant here! /smugteachervoice Have you been playing the patch? Lots of people playing alchemist, and lots of doing poorly. | ||
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Prime`Rib
United States613 Posts
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Krohm
Canada1857 Posts
Like for example it's 5 minutes into the game you should be level X. I know there are many variables but there should be some sort of average level. | ||
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LAN-f34r
New Zealand2099 Posts
On October 08 2012 17:07 Prime`Rib wrote: I was watching some VoDs on Joindota and I think Tobi is really bad analysis caster. The guy has absolutely no idea on the game mechanic and has no idea what is going on beside yelling. He reallly needs someone that understands the game. He has never claimed to be. He normally tries to get a pro player like synd etc to co-cast with him for that reason. | ||
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tauon
Australia1278 Posts
On October 08 2012 17:07 Prime`Rib wrote: I was watching some VoDs on Joindota and I think Tobi is really bad analysis caster. The guy has absolutely no idea on the game mechanic and has no idea what is going on beside yelling. He reallly needs someone that understands the game. I like Tobi's casts. He may not be the most knowledgable caster but he is honest enough about it and he always has some of the best guests on his stream like synd and puppey. | ||
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ArmyOfPlatypi
United States188 Posts
On October 08 2012 17:07 Prime`Rib wrote: I was watching some VoDs on Joindota and I think Tobi is really bad analysis caster. The guy has absolutely no idea on the game mechanic and has no idea what is going on beside yelling. He reallly needs someone that understands the game. StarCraft 2 has casters like this as well, they're "Shoutcasters". And he often has an analytical co-commentator joining him, so don't give up on him just yet, you might start liking him. | ||
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