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On October 06 2012 16:58 Firebolt145 wrote:

How are people buying this

On October 06 2012 16:58 Firebolt145 wrote:

How are people buying this

On October 06 2012 15:34 flamewheel wrote:
Note: I have not tried Lycan in lane yet post-patch. This is mostly theorycrafting.

Lycan laning is a bit wonky. You can do it relatively standard with a ranged support but laning Lycan as a hard carry would lane feels odd to me. In theory, he's not a bad laner. You can give your support control of wolves to pull/stack, meaning while the support is pulling you won't be temporarily inconvenienced. Theoretically you can use the wolves to tank for you while the support is pulling, and with Feral Impulse plus wolf damage chained together as one attack, last hitting under your allied tower isn't too hard.

Wolves are crazy expensive though. At 145 a pop with Lycan's starting mana pool of 195, you're going to be hurting for mana. Laning with Lycan also means different items... I suppose you can still start off with a quelling blade, and I wouldn't say no to having Feral Impulse level 1. 53-57 damage isn't bad, and with Feral you can start off with 63 base. That in itself is quite decent, and with a quelling blade you can punch for 83 damage. I suppose in a 1v1 melee vs melee laning situation this would be quite good; the damage from Feral Impulse makes up for Lycan's attack animation, which isn't that great--.55 swing. Of course, in a 1v1 situation you can use wolves to chase down the enemy solo (harder to do if the enemy is ranged, e.g., Windrunner, since your wolves will get gunned down by 5 auto attacks), though you have to be much more careful of taking creep damage (0 armor 200 HP means wolves will go down quickly). And generally in pubs, you're not going to be a solo safe lane Lycan against a solo hard lane enemy.

While the Lycan nerf is relatively substantial it only affects his laning phase. Later on in fights nobody is going to focus the wolves, and the damage they deal hasn't been reduced. The mana cost is 20 higher than before, which can matter when you have a small mana pool... but it's not the end of the world. Pub Lycan picking has died down or should die down tremendously this patch given that most people don't want to lane Lycan.

Doing Roshan with Lycan will require more careful micromanagement--yet the micro needed was pretty simple. While Rosh is easily still doable by solo Lycan, I think more than Vlad's will be required. Treads at the least, but with Medallion Roshan is still very simple to take down. It'll require two sets of wolves, lest you take too much damage from Roshan, but post-Aegis life is still very simple. You are still Lycan, and you still eat everything for pre-breakfast.

Laning Lycan makes me much favor Basilius into Medallion with boots somewhere. You probably won't have as easy of a time as you would in the jungle, but Vlad's timing should still be relatively easy, given normal safe lane farm with one or two supports pulling.

On October 06 2012 17:36 blahz0r wrote:
Hmm Shadow Amulet Syllabear is pretty fun/troll. The things you can do with this item... =x

On October 06 2012 14:47 rwrzr wrote:


Only if you understand what you are doing wrong?

On October 06 2012 18:14 EchoZ wrote:
I haven't played dota2 post patch yet but can someone explain how the shadow amulet works.

On October 06 2012 18:14 EchoZ wrote:
I haven't played dota2 post patch yet but can someone explain how the shadow amulet works.

On October 06 2012 16:58 Firebolt145 wrote:

How are people buying this

On October 06 2012 18:05 Kupon3ss wrote:
The true next level mindgame happens when u have an invis rune bottled and an amulet in your inventory and you activate the rune it in plain sight of the enemy, but follow it up by standing still for 3 seconds

On October 06 2012 18:21 Erasme wrote:

Wouldnt activate amulet then the rune be smarter ? XD

On October 06 2012 18:24 EchoZ wrote:
Ah thanks alot. So can't channel skills while in invis? such as witch doc's ult.

On October 06 2012 18:24 EchoZ wrote:
Ah thanks alot. So can't channel skills while in invis? such as witch doc's ult.

On October 06 2012 16:41 Mataza wrote:
I don´t know if it got lost, Roshan is still super easy with Lycan. You have to tank yourself mostly though. I tried it with power treads and vlads, somewhere 7-9 in my testgame.

A much more troubling issue: Any idea how hero performance is calculated?
Just got my 5th game with Axe and apparently I´m abysmally bad. I can´t remember a game where I went in my own jungle, I mostly go enemy jungle and kill shit or at least disrupt the enemies by ganking with battlehunger. Real men conquer the enemy jungle after all.
Anyway I just got less than a third of a bar for my performance. It´s my first hero below 1 bar. That´s ridiculous. Me going enemy wood, getting first blood or assisting first blood, having the highest party number(kill+assist) for the first 15 minutes and I get fucking 8/100?
My other junglers are apparently far below average too.

On October 06 2012 19:06 Nilrem wrote:


Yes you can. What depends is whether or not the person moves from their spot. So Enigmas ult, Wd ults, Cm's ult can all be used along side the amulet.