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Qbek
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Poland12923 Posts
September 19 2012 16:46 GMT
#21281
On September 20 2012 01:45 Ramong wrote:
cyborgmatt on singsing stream "5 heroes tonight"

one can only hope!

Yeah, meepo is 99,9% in
This space left intentionally dank /)3(\ http://i.imgur.com/RmeEUcF.png
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
September 19 2012 16:46 GMT
#21282
On September 20 2012 01:41 ChrisXIV wrote:
On a related note, how would you build a carry VS? I've never fully done it, so I built her like Mirana, but now that I think about it...probably the same as Drow? Manta, Satanic, Daedalus, MKB, Butterfly, BKB, some combination of those items.

manta/deso/daedalus. In that order.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
ChrisXIV
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Austria3553 Posts
September 19 2012 16:47 GMT
#21283
On September 20 2012 01:43 PrinceXizor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2012 01:41 ChrisXIV wrote:
On a related note, how would you build a carry VS? I've never fully done it, so I built her like Mirana, but now that I think about it...probably the same as Drow? Manta, Satanic, Daedalus, MKB, Butterfly, BKB, some combination of those items.

don't forget to build tears from when you make your ultimate pretty bad and you have to walk in 400 range to deal damage with a squishy character.

How do you build tears? Do I require that infamous wood for it?
On September 20 2012 01:45 Ramong wrote:
cyborgmatt on singsing stream "5 heroes tonight"

one can only hope!

Meepo, Meepo, Meepo, Meepo and Meepo T_T
"Just stay on 1 base, make a lot of shit, keep attacking. It doesn't work? Keep attacking." -Chill
Qbek
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Poland12923 Posts
September 19 2012 16:50 GMT
#21284
Go diffu on carry venge for more disables, if they can't move your range doesn't matter
This space left intentionally dank /)3(\ http://i.imgur.com/RmeEUcF.png
Yoshi-
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany10227 Posts
September 19 2012 16:51 GMT
#21285
On September 20 2012 00:48 PrinceXizor wrote:
139 agi drow 132 agi venge

50 base damage drow 46 base damage venge (averages)

189x1.28 damage drow 178x1.36 damage venge

242 damage drow 242 damage venge

drow has more agi both have same attack rate. therefore drow does more DPS.

EDIT: is anyone watching M5 vs CLG.. because professor of lizardry is a pretty awesome nick for dota...

But as soon as vs gets one agi item she deals more damage
ChrisXIV
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Austria3553 Posts
September 19 2012 16:54 GMT
#21286
On September 20 2012 01:46 Erasme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2012 01:41 ChrisXIV wrote:
On a related note, how would you build a carry VS? I've never fully done it, so I built her like Mirana, but now that I think about it...probably the same as Drow? Manta, Satanic, Daedalus, MKB, Butterfly, BKB, some combination of those items.

manta/deso/daedalus. In that order.

On September 20 2012 01:50 Qbek wrote:
Go diffu on carry venge for more disables, if they can't move your range doesn't matter

Which orb to get hm...
On September 20 2012 01:51 Yoshi- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2012 00:48 PrinceXizor wrote:
139 agi drow 132 agi venge

50 base damage drow 46 base damage venge (averages)

189x1.28 damage drow 178x1.36 damage venge

242 damage drow 242 damage venge

drow has more agi both have same attack rate. therefore drow does more DPS.

EDIT: is anyone watching M5 vs CLG.. because professor of lizardry is a pretty awesome nick for dota...

But as soon as vs gets one agi item she deals more damage

You do know that Drow has way more agility than VS right?
"Just stay on 1 base, make a lot of shit, keep attacking. It doesn't work? Keep attacking." -Chill
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
September 19 2012 16:58 GMT
#21287
On September 20 2012 01:47 ChrisXIV wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2012 01:43 PrinceXizor wrote:
On September 20 2012 01:41 ChrisXIV wrote:
On a related note, how would you build a carry VS? I've never fully done it, so I built her like Mirana, but now that I think about it...probably the same as Drow? Manta, Satanic, Daedalus, MKB, Butterfly, BKB, some combination of those items.

don't forget to build tears from when you make your ultimate pretty bad and you have to walk in 400 range to deal damage with a squishy character.

How do you build tears? Do I require that infamous wood for it?
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2012 01:45 Ramong wrote:
cyborgmatt on singsing stream "5 heroes tonight"

one can only hope!

Meepo, Meepo, Meepo, Meepo and Meepo T_T

Meepo with Aghanims

GG life

plx Medusa.
WriterXiao8~~
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
September 19 2012 17:00 GMT
#21288
On September 20 2012 01:58 Kipsate wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2012 01:47 ChrisXIV wrote:
On September 20 2012 01:43 PrinceXizor wrote:
On September 20 2012 01:41 ChrisXIV wrote:
On a related note, how would you build a carry VS? I've never fully done it, so I built her like Mirana, but now that I think about it...probably the same as Drow? Manta, Satanic, Daedalus, MKB, Butterfly, BKB, some combination of those items.

don't forget to build tears from when you make your ultimate pretty bad and you have to walk in 400 range to deal damage with a squishy character.

How do you build tears? Do I require that infamous wood for it?
On September 20 2012 01:45 Ramong wrote:
cyborgmatt on singsing stream "5 heroes tonight"

one can only hope!

Meepo, Meepo, Meepo, Meepo and Meepo T_T

Meepo with Aghanims

GG life

plx Medusa.


I wish meepos could carry 2 items with aghanims because i would do nothing but 4 dagon meepo aghanims builds.
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
September 19 2012 17:03 GMT
#21289
On September 20 2012 01:58 Kipsate wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2012 01:47 ChrisXIV wrote:
On September 20 2012 01:43 PrinceXizor wrote:
On September 20 2012 01:41 ChrisXIV wrote:
On a related note, how would you build a carry VS? I've never fully done it, so I built her like Mirana, but now that I think about it...probably the same as Drow? Manta, Satanic, Daedalus, MKB, Butterfly, BKB, some combination of those items.

don't forget to build tears from when you make your ultimate pretty bad and you have to walk in 400 range to deal damage with a squishy character.

How do you build tears? Do I require that infamous wood for it?
On September 20 2012 01:45 Ramong wrote:
cyborgmatt on singsing stream "5 heroes tonight"

one can only hope!

Meepo, Meepo, Meepo, Meepo and Meepo T_T

Meepo with Aghanims

GG life

plx Medusa.

no
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-19 17:12:27
September 19 2012 17:07 GMT
#21290
God you guys suck at picking the best heroes with math

if you're carry nothing besides damage matters, so a level 7 huskar with <3% hp has

112+60 base damage at lv 7 = 172 damage, but since its attack speed modifier is 224% + 35 agi off base 1.6 attack speed, your overall dps is much higher than either the drow or the venge at lv 25. Why you're thinking about carrying with heroes as garbage as venge or drow that get completely outclassed by a lv7 huskar is beyond me

U guys suck at math and are completely awful at picking good carries, l2p

case in point: https://dotabuff.com/matches/30357788
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
September 19 2012 17:16 GMT
#21291
On September 20 2012 02:07 Kupon3ss wrote:
God you guys suck at picking the best heroes with math

if you're carry nothing besides damage matters, so a level 7 huskar with <3% hp has

112+60 base damage at lv 7 = 172 damage, but since its attack speed modifier is 224% + 35 agi off base 1.6 attack speed, your overall dps is much higher than either the drow or the venge at lv 25. Why you're thinking about carrying with heroes as garbage as venge or drow that get completely outclassed by a lv7 huskar is beyond me

U guys suck at math and are completely awful at picking good carries, l2p

case in point: https://dotabuff.com/matches/30357788

huskar nor venge were on the chart, therefore they cannot carry.
shostakovich
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Brazil1429 Posts
September 19 2012 17:23 GMT
#21292
Anyone remembers when Meepo was picked for the first time in competitive games? Was it in a MYM vs mouz match, back when Drayich was the mouz captain?
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
September 19 2012 17:26 GMT
#21293
Heartstopper aura really is probably Necrolyte's weakest skill. That's not to say that it sucks but it's a really weirdly scaling spell in that it relies on the enemy farm rather than necrolyte's own farm (aside from keeping necro alive). It doesn't do the equivalent damage of a radiance until his opponents have 2500 hp but one point in it is amazing early on. Granted the radius is bigger than radiance but radiance heroes tend to have far more mobility or be illusion heroes (Weaver for the first, Spectre, PL.).

Necrolyte's strengths are in being able to sit in the middle of a teamfight and force people to take a ton of damage and instagib almost any hero in the game if they get focused (AM is probably the only hero who you can't just ult when they're below 40% hp after level 16 for a free kill). He was buffed by a large margin last patch but it still doesn't make up for all the direct and indirect nerfs he's taken over the years (Bloodstone no longer giving hp/sec per charge, continually gimped vanguard, 50 lower range). Necrolyte with a bloodstone used to be a decent choice because once you get killed him his team got a massive heal and he could make use of the massive regen due to his high spell costs.

On a sidenote, he's probably actually really good against morphling but takes a ton of farm to get to the point where he both doesn't die instantly to the morph and can be beneficial in ways besides ulting a disabled low hp morphling.

His low projectile speed on his death pulse and low auto attack projectile speed on top of a low movespeed make it difficult for him now that everyone and their mother are buying drums (pop drums -> run away. Same with force staff) or picking very mobile heroes that he can't catch (WR, Morphling, Naga, AM, etc.). Even allies can wind up dying because they run too rapidly for the death pulse to catch up to them before that last venomous gale tick goes off.

So talking Necrolyte item builds - the last successful Necrolyte I played against went Orchid. Still unsure if I like that as much as either getting a sheep or a more typical mekansm build.
Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-19 17:31:16
September 19 2012 17:27 GMT
#21294
On September 20 2012 02:23 shostakovich wrote:
Anyone remembers when Meepo was picked for the first time in competitive games? Was it in a MYM vs mouz match, back when Drayich was the mouz captain?


In the East.
ACG DotA 2008, Korean National Team, Chu

In the West.
EG vs MyM at some point in 2008 (before the MyM mouz game you're talking about)
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38257 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-19 17:48:17
September 19 2012 17:47 GMT
#21295
Looks likely Dignitas will be back with a new team soon:

http://team-dignitas.net/hmwhatsthis

tweeted out and targetted at dota fans
Yoshi-
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany10227 Posts
September 19 2012 17:48 GMT
#21296
Hmm can only be team Y
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34505 Posts
September 19 2012 17:52 GMT
#21297
Well that guide took a while to write. Yay for lunch breaks at work with nothing to do ~
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BlitzerSC
Profile Joined May 2011
Italy8800 Posts
September 19 2012 18:01 GMT
#21298
Just saw on Sing stream that 1437 is using the Online Kingdom tag.
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-19 18:16:53
September 19 2012 18:12 GMT
#21299
Looks like steam died again...I hope this doesn't become common place.

already back up at least
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
Dattish
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Sweden6297 Posts
September 19 2012 18:16 GMT
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