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Yoshi-
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany10227 Posts
September 18 2012 17:48 GMT
#21001
Well synd was making euls on NS back at dreamhack winter 2011, it wasn't really good, but he still did it.
BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
September 18 2012 18:02 GMT
#21002
No item in dota became popular because of X person used it. Every item been tweaked or remade to the point that most of them are used widely among players. Skadi should get a remade soon and rod of atos is a questionable design (only seen viable on vang+atos silencer lol). If you are talking about builds on heroes then there is some personal preference involved, i am actually quite surprised that people dont blindly copy builds from pro games now.
is 2017, stop being lame, fuck's sakes. 'Can't wait for the rise of the cakes and humanity's last stand tbqh.'
Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
September 18 2012 18:10 GMT
#21003
On September 18 2012 23:50 Qbek wrote:
There's a point where you are so high in MMR that people don't know how to play against pubstompers coz they've forgotten Been ownin some "proz" with BS not so long ago


100% confirmed, see: All the Chinese puj bans during the international
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
September 18 2012 18:12 GMT
#21004
On September 19 2012 03:10 Kupon3ss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2012 23:50 Qbek wrote:
There's a point where you are so high in MMR that people don't know how to play against pubstompers coz they've forgotten Been ownin some "proz" with BS not so long ago


100% confirmed, see: All the Chinese puj bans during the international


Have to give that respect ban to dendi. rofl.

Wonder why didnt they ban rubick though, i mean, they banned pudge lol
is 2017, stop being lame, fuck's sakes. 'Can't wait for the rise of the cakes and humanity's last stand tbqh.'
Dubzex
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6994 Posts
September 18 2012 18:12 GMT
#21005
On September 19 2012 03:02 BurningSera wrote:
No item in dota became popular because of X person used it. Every item been tweaked or remade to the point that most of them are used widely among players. Skadi should get a remade soon and rod of atos is a questionable design (only seen viable on vang+atos silencer lol). If you are talking about builds on heroes then there is some personal preference involved, i am actually quite surprised that people dont blindly copy builds from pro games now.

Quite a lot of people do not watch any pro games or very little so there isn't much surprise when it comes to pubs playing builds that would be questionable at best in any tournament or high level setting.
"DONT UNDERESTIMATE MY CARRY OR YOU WILL BE CARRIED INTO THE ABYSS OF SUFFERING" - Tyler 'TC' Cook
Aixler
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands946 Posts
September 18 2012 18:19 GMT
#21006
Euls on shadow shaman, or on lion since the movement speed buff (with phase or bot), good old times!
Dattish
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Sweden6297 Posts
September 18 2012 18:21 GMT
#21007
--- Nuked ---
Benjef
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United Kingdom6921 Posts
September 18 2012 18:24 GMT
#21008
Syndren + 4 for the new mtw.
http://mymtw.com/de/article/23020/ref-topnews/dota2_dota2-team-splits-apart_everything-good-comes-to-an-end.html
<3 | Dota 2 | DayZ | <3
Cyborgmatt
Profile Joined September 2012
United Kingdom50 Posts
September 18 2012 18:35 GMT
#21009
On September 19 2012 03:24 Benjef wrote:
Syndren + 4 for the new mtw.
http://mymtw.com/de/article/23020/ref-topnews/dota2_dota2-team-splits-apart_everything-good-comes-to-an-end.html

Not surprised after what happened at TI2.
Qbek
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Poland12923 Posts
September 18 2012 18:37 GMT
#21010
On September 19 2012 03:35 Cyborgmatt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 19 2012 03:24 Benjef wrote:
Syndren + 4 for the new mtw.
http://mymtw.com/de/article/23020/ref-topnews/dota2_dota2-team-splits-apart_everything-good-comes-to-an-end.html

Not surprised after what happened at TI2.

Yeah the only thing that wasn't certain is who will stay with mTw and who will be dropped
This space left intentionally dank /)3(\ http://i.imgur.com/RmeEUcF.png
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
September 18 2012 19:08 GMT
#21011
On September 19 2012 03:12 Dubzex wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 19 2012 03:02 BurningSera wrote:
No item in dota became popular because of X person used it. Every item been tweaked or remade to the point that most of them are used widely among players. Skadi should get a remade soon and rod of atos is a questionable design (only seen viable on vang+atos silencer lol). If you are talking about builds on heroes then there is some personal preference involved, i am actually quite surprised that people dont blindly copy builds from pro games now.

Quite a lot of people do not watch any pro games or very little so there isn't much surprise when it comes to pubs playing builds that would be questionable at best in any tournament or high level setting.

i like the way dota is with obviously pub items and then people who follow pro scene and copy them and then people who get stuff on their own randomly and finally the people who adapt builds to the game. the LoL scene has everyone copy the top level games, and if you deviate at all for any reason people rage at you and spam surrender.
Benjef
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United Kingdom6921 Posts
September 18 2012 19:16 GMT
#21012
On September 19 2012 04:08 PrinceXizor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 19 2012 03:12 Dubzex wrote:
On September 19 2012 03:02 BurningSera wrote:
No item in dota became popular because of X person used it. Every item been tweaked or remade to the point that most of them are used widely among players. Skadi should get a remade soon and rod of atos is a questionable design (only seen viable on vang+atos silencer lol). If you are talking about builds on heroes then there is some personal preference involved, i am actually quite surprised that people dont blindly copy builds from pro games now.

Quite a lot of people do not watch any pro games or very little so there isn't much surprise when it comes to pubs playing builds that would be questionable at best in any tournament or high level setting.

i like the way dota is with obviously pub items and then people who follow pro scene and copy them and then people who get stuff on their own randomly and finally the people who adapt builds to the game. the LoL scene has everyone copy the top level games, and if you deviate at all for any reason people rage at you and spam surrender.

The amount of "troll/gimicky" builds in dota is endless, makes some pubs quite funny. Ran across a dagon axe earlier who swore by it. Blink > dagon > ult = insta kill.
<3 | Dota 2 | DayZ | <3
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
September 18 2012 19:35 GMT
#21013
Am i strange for thinking that spirit breaker isn't as bad as we all have thought... I think he'd be a decent offlaner...
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
September 18 2012 19:40 GMT
#21014
Yes you are strange.
BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
September 18 2012 19:44 GMT
#21015
On September 19 2012 04:16 Benjef wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 19 2012 04:08 PrinceXizor wrote:
On September 19 2012 03:12 Dubzex wrote:
On September 19 2012 03:02 BurningSera wrote:
No item in dota became popular because of X person used it. Every item been tweaked or remade to the point that most of them are used widely among players. Skadi should get a remade soon and rod of atos is a questionable design (only seen viable on vang+atos silencer lol). If you are talking about builds on heroes then there is some personal preference involved, i am actually quite surprised that people dont blindly copy builds from pro games now.

Quite a lot of people do not watch any pro games or very little so there isn't much surprise when it comes to pubs playing builds that would be questionable at best in any tournament or high level setting.

i like the way dota is with obviously pub items and then people who follow pro scene and copy them and then people who get stuff on their own randomly and finally the people who adapt builds to the game. the LoL scene has everyone copy the top level games, and if you deviate at all for any reason people rage at you and spam surrender.

The amount of "troll/gimicky" builds in dota is endless, makes some pubs quite funny. Ran across a dagon axe earlier who swore by it. Blink > dagon > ult = insta kill.


Pub doesnt give a damn to pro games in dota1 but still you see people blindly copy the build from time to time (they actually said that who did this etc you are noob didnt know this etc) while in dota2 i ddidnt notice any changes so far, considering almost everyone on the server was in ti2 finals (80k+ in game viewers).
is 2017, stop being lame, fuck's sakes. 'Can't wait for the rise of the cakes and humanity's last stand tbqh.'
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34505 Posts
September 18 2012 19:47 GMT
#21016
On September 19 2012 04:35 PrinceXizor wrote:
Am i strange for thinking that spirit breaker isn't as bad as we all have thought... I think he'd be a decent offlaner...

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LAN-f34r
Profile Joined December 2010
New Zealand2099 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-18 19:52:23
September 18 2012 19:50 GMT
#21017
On September 18 2012 21:43 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2012 20:55 LAN-f34r wrote:
I feel like radi spec is too strong to just give up like that. Maybe tranq+pms-->radi-->cheap items (drum-->diffusal-->yasha+vit booster, into upgrading manta/heart/other late game items) would still be good for making spec powerful mid game? If they dedicate themselves to shutting you down, you can skip radi, as it will come too late anyway. Basically, if you die before 3800 gold, you do the midgame build. Otherwise, you go radi into the midgame build. Most of the items there go into late game anyway (yasha--> manta, diffusal is good until late on spec, vit-->heart).

The idea with the build is to use some combination of early/midgame items (Urn, Aquila, Janggo, Yasha, Diffusal) to build up a midgame teamfight advantage, and then transition back into your lategame items after you've created enough of an advantage. You generally DO still need Radiance because Spec doesn't have that high of baseline farming speed, so you can't rely on your midgame teamfighting advantage to get you all of your endgame items.

The most awkward part of the build is the transition back onto Radiance. Again, I suggested that some tweaks to mana costs could smooth out this transition, as it would improve Dagger's usefulness as a farming ability (nukes like Waveform, Riptide, and Dragon Breath are fairly good farming skills for other carries, while Dagger's creep clearing ability is quite poor).


If you can get radi in time for midgame, would you still go it though? If you get free farm and are farming like burning, you can make a radi when its still a really powerful killing item. If you then go into the other strong mid game items, diffusal/drum/yasha/vit then you would maintain dominance, would you not? These items also give an easy transition into late, with manta/heart/diffusal being strong late.

If you can't get radi early on then it won't be as strong of a fighting item - so doing what you say would be a good idea. But if you have uncontested farm 'till 3800 gold, seems like it would still be stronger on spec.

On September 19 2012 04:35 PrinceXizor wrote:
Am i strange for thinking that spirit breaker isn't as bad as we all have thought... I think he'd be a decent offlaner...


I guess he does have a lot of disable, could make a decent support. An aura as well.
The only barrier to truth is the presumption that you already have it. It's through our pane (pain) we window (win though).
TArujo
Profile Joined September 2009
Portugal1687 Posts
September 18 2012 19:51 GMT
#21018
Ok begginer question, if i buy the Dota 2 Invite package for 25 euros, is it only for beta access or do i get beta access+access when game hits retail?
LAN-f34r
Profile Joined December 2010
New Zealand2099 Posts
September 18 2012 19:53 GMT
#21019
It will be free to play once it is out. The $25 package also includes items. Also, you can trade for a key for cheaper:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=365276
The only barrier to truth is the presumption that you already have it. It's through our pane (pain) we window (win though).
TArujo
Profile Joined September 2009
Portugal1687 Posts
September 18 2012 19:55 GMT
#21020
wow thanks very much, will do that asap
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