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SnowFantasy
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
4173 Posts
September 15 2012 09:22 GMT
#20721
I'm also new but I learned a lot from

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=345139
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=298363

maybe start there and see where you are at?
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14081 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-15 09:29:17
September 15 2012 09:29 GMT
#20722
On September 15 2012 18:18 Oergg wrote:
Hey everyone, Im pretty new to the game and i have a question i would like to throw out. I come from league and every lane had a role like support,ad,ap,top,jungle. I know dota doesnt really have set lanes as there is shit tons of strats that work. Anyways im trying to learn a bunch of differnt guys but it would be much easier to play one role and get good at it rather than be decent with everyone i'd be good with one role. Getting a little off topic but is there a list or some shit that can help me figure out what champs play what, Im pretty faded so im not sure if that makes any sence im just having trouble in game picking the champ groups apart im really not sure who does what, League i always played ad carry so like ashe and graves and kog and shit


...or just check the [LiquidParty] DotA2 Learning Group ^.^ -thread. On topic as much as it can be. =P
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
Frost
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Korea (South)1042 Posts
September 15 2012 09:33 GMT
#20723
On September 15 2012 18:18 Oergg wrote:
Hey everyone, Im pretty new to the game and i have a question i would like to throw out. I come from league and every lane had a role like support,ad,ap,top,jungle. I know dota doesnt really have set lanes as there is shit tons of strats that work. Anyways im trying to learn a bunch of differnt guys but it would be much easier to play one role and get good at it rather than be decent with everyone i'd be good with one role. Getting a little off topic but is there a list or some shit that can help me figure out what champs play what, Im pretty faded so im not sure if that makes any sence im just having trouble in game picking the champ groups apart im really not sure who does what, League i always played ad carry so like ashe and graves and kog and shit


First, it's a small thing, but do not use the word "champ" or "champion" to describe the "heroes" in Dota 2 because the community will WITHOUT A DOUBT flame you for coming from League of Legends. It's something that people shouldn't do to new players, but they do it anyways so try to save yourself some grief from those players.

http://www.playdota.com/guides/vals-guide-to-every-hero
http://www.playdota.com/guides/masterjas-total-newbie-guide
http://www.playdota.com/guides/welcome-to-dota-you-suck

Those three guides are very very good for beginners like you and I suggest you read all of them thoroughly if you want to get better. Good luck and have fun~
Narcind
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Sweden2489 Posts
September 15 2012 09:34 GMT
#20724
On September 15 2012 18:18 Oergg wrote:
Hey everyone, Im pretty new to the game and i have a question i would like to throw out. I come from league and every lane had a role like support,ad,ap,top,jungle. I know dota doesnt really have set lanes as there is shit tons of strats that work. Anyways im trying to learn a bunch of differnt guys but it would be much easier to play one role and get good at it rather than be decent with everyone i'd be good with one role. Getting a little off topic but is there a list or some shit that can help me figure out what champs play what, Im pretty faded so im not sure if that makes any sence im just having trouble in game picking the champ groups apart im really not sure who does what, League i always played ad carry so like ashe and graves and kog and shit


Just play lich and support every game until you feel more comfortable, it's honestly the best way to play when you're just starting
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14081 Posts
September 15 2012 09:35 GMT
#20725
On September 15 2012 18:34 Canas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2012 18:18 Oergg wrote:
Hey everyone, Im pretty new to the game and i have a question i would like to throw out. I come from league and every lane had a role like support,ad,ap,top,jungle. I know dota doesnt really have set lanes as there is shit tons of strats that work. Anyways im trying to learn a bunch of differnt guys but it would be much easier to play one role and get good at it rather than be decent with everyone i'd be good with one role. Getting a little off topic but is there a list or some shit that can help me figure out what champs play what, Im pretty faded so im not sure if that makes any sence im just having trouble in game picking the champ groups apart im really not sure who does what, League i always played ad carry so like ashe and graves and kog and shit


Just play lich and support every game until you feel more comfortable, it's honestly the best way to play when you're just starting

Yeah let's start with a hero which doesn't teach any mana management at all. Check the Liquidparty and the welcome thread in this forum, prolly your best bet.
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
Narcind
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Sweden2489 Posts
September 15 2012 09:46 GMT
#20726
Who cares if it lets you learn basic things like laning, positioning, last hitting to some extent, better game sense, etc.

The fact that lich has basically endless mana is one of the reasons he's such a good hero for new players, you don't have to focus too much on that aspect and can focus on other parts of the game instead. That, on top of his high movement speed, high attack range and being completely item independant.
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34510 Posts
September 15 2012 09:50 GMT
#20727
Lich is definitely one of the best heroes to start playing with.
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cheeseosaur
Profile Joined September 2012
Australia134 Posts
September 15 2012 09:51 GMT
#20728
Are we able to assign hotkeys to right click skills in dota 1 like morph?
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34510 Posts
September 15 2012 09:53 GMT
#20729
On September 15 2012 18:51 cheeseosaur wrote:
Are we able to assign hotkeys to right click skills in dota 1 like morph?

Yes. Morphling is slightly different in dota2 though, instead of having to autocast it, pressing the hotkey simply toggles the morph on or off.
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FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
September 15 2012 09:54 GMT
#20730
Does anyone know of any kind of translation list for english dota heroes and items to mandarin? I need to speak more besides earthshaker, dragon knight, and divine rapier...
thug life.                                                       MVP/ex-
cheeseosaur
Profile Joined September 2012
Australia134 Posts
September 15 2012 10:04 GMT
#20731
On September 15 2012 18:54 FinestHour wrote:
Does anyone know of any kind of translation list for english dota heroes and items to mandarin? I need to speak more besides earthshaker, dragon knight, and divine rapier...


Lol I know Lina is 火妳 or "fire lady" :D. Most heroes names have simple mandarin nicknames. There's a thread on playdota that has some stuff on it http://www.playdota.com/forums/showthread.php?t=373774
Dattish
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Sweden6297 Posts
September 15 2012 10:06 GMT
#20732
--- Nuked ---
cheeseosaur
Profile Joined September 2012
Australia134 Posts
September 15 2012 10:09 GMT
#20733
Here it is :D

+ Show Spoiler +
STRENGTH

Kunkka / Coco / 船长
Rexxar / bm /兽王
Centaur / cent or renma/ 半人马酋长
Earthshaker / ES or xiaoniu/ 撼地神牛
Omniknight / OK / 全能骑士
Panda / panda / 熊猫酒仙
Sven / sven / 流浪剑客
Tiny / Xiaoxiao or tiny / 山岭巨人
Tauren / tc or laoniu/ 牛头人酋长
Treant / tp or dashu/ 树精卫士
Wisp / wisp or xiaojingling/ 精灵守卫

Alchemist / GA / 炼金术师
Bristleback / bb or bbzhu/ 钢背兽
Clockwerk / cg / 发条地精
Dragon Knight / dk / 龙骑士
Magnataur / mag / 半人猛犸
Spiritbreaker / sb or bainiu/ 裂魂人
Tidehunter / TH / 潮汐猎人

Axe / FW or futou/ 斧王
Chaos Knight / ck / 混沌骑士
Doom / doom or Lucifer/ 末日使者
Naix/ naix or xiaogou / 食尸鬼
Lord of Avernus / loa / 地狱领主
Lycanthrope / wolf / 狼人
Balanar / ns or yemo/ 暗夜魔王
Pit Lord / (Q: Da pigu? A:u said right ) pl / 深渊领主
Pudge / pudge / 屠夫
Skeleton King / SK / 沙王
Slardar / sg or yuren/ 渔人守卫
Dirge / ud or shiwang/不朽尸王

AGILITY

Anti-mage / am or difa/ 敌法师
Sniper / sniper or chuanshuoge / 矮人狙击手 He is a legend
Juggernaught / jugg or bm/ 剑圣
Syllbear / ld or xiaode/ 德鲁伊
Luna / luna or yuenv/ 月之骑士
Morphling / morph or shuiren/ 变体精灵
Naga Siren / naga or xiaonajia/ 娜迦海妖
Phantom Lancer / lancer or houzi / 幻影长矛手
Mirana / PoM or yuenv/ 月之女祭司
Rikimaru / sa / 隐形刺客 ck is chaos knight
Troll Warlord / troll or jumo/ 巨魔战将
Gyrocopter / av / 矮人直升机

Gondar / bh / 赏金猎人
Drow Ranger / Xiaohei or DR / 黑暗游侠
Void / fv or jibalian / 虚空假面
Meepo / meepo or goutou/ 地卜师
Razor / razor or dianhun or diangun/ 闪电幽魂
Medusa / med / 美杜莎
Lanaya / TA / 圣堂刺客
Ursa / ursa or paipaixiong / 熊战士
Vengeful Spirit / VS / 复仇之魂
Murloc Nightcrawler / nc or xiaoyuren / 鱼人夜行者

Bloodseeker / bs / 血魔
Clinkz / bone or gugong/ 骷髅射手
Broodmother / brood or zhizhu/ 育母蜘蛛
Nerubian Assasin / na or xiaoqiang/ 地穴刺客
Nerubian Weaver / nw or mayi/ 地穴编织着
Phantom Assassin / PA / 幻影刺客
Shadow Fiend / SF / 影魔
Terrorblade / tb / 灵魂守卫
Spectre / spec / 幽鬼
Venomancer / veno or cishe/ 剧毒术士
Viper / vip or dulong/ 冥界亚龙

INTELLIGENCE

Crystal Maiden / CM or bingnv/ 水晶室女
Enchantress / Xiaolu or as / 魅惑魔女
Puck / puck or jinglinglong/ 仙女龙
Chen / chen / 圣骑士
Ezalor / kotl or laotou/ 光之守卫
Zeus / zeus or mk/ 众神之王
Furion / furion / 先知
Silencer / sil / 沉默术士
Lina / lina or huonv/ 秀逗魔导师
Storm Spirit / storm or lanmao/ 风暴之灵
Windrunner / wr / 风行者
Thrall / thrall or sal/ 预言者

Batrider / bat / 蝙蝠骑士
Techies / goblin or zhadanren/ 哥布林工程师
Invoker / kael / 卡尔
Visage / vis / 死灵飞龙
Ogre Magi / org or lanpang? / 食人魔法师
Dazzle / sp / 暗影牧师
Rhasta / ss or xiaoY/ 暗影萨满
Tinker / tk / 地精修补匠
Leshrac / ts or laolu/ 受折磨的灵魂
Jakiro / THD / 双头龙
Witch Doctor / wd or 51/ 巫医
Ancient Apparition / ap / 极寒幽魂

Bane Elemental / bane / 痛苦之源
Dark Seer / ds or tuzi/ 黑暗贤者
Krobelus / dp / 死亡先知
Lion / lion / 恶魔巫师
Enigma / enigma / 谜团
Lich / lich / 巫妖
Necrolyte / nec / 死灵法师
Pugna / pugna or gufa/ 遗忘法师
Obsidian Destroyer / des or heiniao/ 黑曜毁灭者
Ashaka / QoP / 痛苦女王
Warlock / wl / 术士
Shadow Demon / eredar / 暗影恶魔

ITEMS

Radiance / huiyao / 辉耀
Urn / guhuihe / 影之灵龛
Mekansm / mek / 梅肯斯姆
Dagon / dagen or hongzhang / 达贡之神力
Force staff / tuituizhang / 弹射法杖
Linkens Sphere / linken / 林肯法球
Manta / fenshenfu / 幻影斧
Refresher / shuaxin / 刷新球
Necronomicon / xiaorenshu or silingshu / 死灵书
Blademail / renjia / 刃甲
Shivas / xiwa / 希瓦的守护
Divine Rapier / shengjian / 圣剑
Lothars / yindao or luosa/ 洛萨之锋
Satanic / sadan / 撒旦之邪力
Boots of Travel / feixie / 远行鞋
Bottle / pingzi / 魔瓶
Dagger / tiaodao / 逃脱匕首
Gem / baoshi / 真视宝石
Ghost Scepter / lvzhang / 幽魂权杖
Observer wards (white) / jiayan / 侦查守卫
Sentry wards (blue) / zhenyan / 岗哨守卫
Dust / fen / 显影之尘
mdma-_-
Profile Joined October 2010
Nauru1213 Posts
September 15 2012 10:12 GMT
#20734
On September 15 2012 19:06 Dattish wrote:
isin't venomancer the same as hydralisk or something?

His original Model in Wc3 was a Hydralisk
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-15 10:40:33
September 15 2012 10:37 GMT
#20735
On September 15 2012 18:50 Firebolt145 wrote:
Lich is definitely one of the best heroes to start playing with.

And also the most boring... Not sure how much LoL experience the guy has but if you're like 1500+ ELO you don't need a hero with easy mechanics, just makes the game boring. If someone told me to play hard support every game with players who are most likely bad I'd get bored real quick. Random or pick an interesting hero that you'll have fun with. Not sure why everyone thinks they're gonna randomly match up with good players and you're gonna ruin the game for them.

Things like ad carries would be more similar to heroes like mirana, luna, morphling, etc, but they're still very different.
BlitzerSC
Profile Joined May 2011
Italy8800 Posts
September 15 2012 10:46 GMT
#20736
On September 15 2012 18:18 Oergg wrote:
Hey everyone, Im pretty new to the game and i have a question i would like to throw out. I come from league and every lane had a role like support,ad,ap,top,jungle. I know dota doesnt really have set lanes as there is shit tons of strats that work. Anyways im trying to learn a bunch of differnt guys but it would be much easier to play one role and get good at it rather than be decent with everyone i'd be good with one role. Getting a little off topic but is there a list or some shit that can help me figure out what champs play what, Im pretty faded so im not sure if that makes any sence im just having trouble in game picking the champ groups apart im really not sure who does what, League i always played ad carry so like ashe and graves and kog and shit


Welcome to Dota, you suck
http://www.purgegamers.com/welcome-to-dota-you-suck
LAN-f34r
Profile Joined December 2010
New Zealand2099 Posts
September 15 2012 11:27 GMT
#20737
For a LoL player I wouldn't say lich is the best hero to start with. LoL players should have the basics on last hitting, map awareness, positioning etc. They will probably lack mana management, micro, and knowledge about the heroes/items/roles. As such I would suggest both SKs for mana management and about different items, then move on to enigma for some basic micro which isn't that important after early game (and you will probably spend most of your early game jungling so...).

On September 15 2012 15:55 Itsmedudeman wrote:
The next patch will be the "big patch"


HL3 is about 5 years late now. Don't get your hopes up for anything being on time for Valve.
The only barrier to truth is the presumption that you already have it. It's through our pane (pain) we window (win though).
Narcind
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Sweden2489 Posts
September 15 2012 11:30 GMT
#20738
On September 15 2012 19:37 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2012 18:50 Firebolt145 wrote:
Lich is definitely one of the best heroes to start playing with.

And also the most boring... Not sure how much LoL experience the guy has but if you're like 1500+ ELO you don't need a hero with easy mechanics, just makes the game boring. If someone told me to play hard support every game with players who are most likely bad I'd get bored real quick. Random or pick an interesting hero that you'll have fun with. Not sure why everyone thinks they're gonna randomly match up with good players and you're gonna ruin the game for them.

Things like ad carries would be more similar to heroes like mirana, luna, morphling, etc, but they're still very different.


I'd still say that playing lich for maybe 10-15 games until you get more accustomed to and comfortable with the game, then to start randoming, is the best way to play when you're new.
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-15 11:43:50
September 15 2012 11:34 GMT
#20739
Randoming is terrible and it's what makes the low level games so terrible for everyone.
Pick a hero, study it, play it well, then do it with the next hero. Don't ruin your first 200 games randoming for the love of god. And by ruin I mean ruin the game of the other players by playing a hero you have no idea how its played.
(I'm not saying randoming itself is bad, but by learning the game while randoming you'll just create frustrating games. By mastering just one hero, you'll understand dota in general. By randoming, you'll be too busy learning new hero mechanics to learn the game itself. Not randoming involve more "studying" tho, especially reading about the heroes you won't have played yet)
Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
September 15 2012 11:43 GMT
#20740
Randoming is the best way to learn, even IceFrog says that.
It's how i learned how to play DotA, i see nothing wrong with it.
He'll be vs people just as bad as him,so it wont be a problem.

Also HL3 isn't 5 years late, they never promised a release date so it can't be late to begin with.
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