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On January 20 2013 19:47 TBO wrote:
so this will get nerfed quite a bit I guess?
This is what I got: 828 new dps >_<
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On January 20 2013 18:53 kAra wrote:
hey sry im to hang to understand it all, but sell or keep this? (archon wiz)
This is what I got: 887 new dps >_<
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I'm just a noob wizard (1) so my guess is changing to a Chantodo's Will now would be a safe option. No clue if that works for your build or current gear tho! I went on Diabloprogress to see how this would affect the first higher ranked Wiz. This one uses a bunch of +elemental % gear with his Echoing Fury. His EF would go down from 1282.96 to 1123.605 and his effective DPS dropped from 516k to 469 (46.4k nerf).
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As for what Min/Max gem would be required for this Wizard to EQUAL losing his +crit gem with fixed MinMaxDam? +232min/max as seen here:
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On January 20 2013 20:39 Blix wrote:
I saw yesterday on a stream, how a sword went from 1200ish dps to 1700ish dps with addition of a ruby, i guess this is what they want to tackle. On the other hand, if they do fix this, rubies will still be a poor choice in 99+% of the cases.
I took the Echoing Fury example from my intial post: and with the +150minmax gem on 1.06 now it would bump from 1300 dps to 1757dps. If the bug is fixed, the 1300 would drop to 1137, but with a +150minmax gem would get boosted to 1442, which is what I suspect Blizz's goals are. So I'd start selling those black weapons now for sure! ;-D
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(side note: if the Windforce listed above had a socket, it would then be bugged with the 150 gem and get boosted from 1407 to 1851 bugged, but only 1752 with it fixed)
As for this not having happened before: Exhibit A!
When I first read the ias nerf, I immediately sold the IAS weapon I used to beat inferno way back when it was hard:
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Except this time it isn't just a balance decision, it's a bug fix where items were being buffed beyond what some of their other equivalents were. Was this as intended when they did the legendary fix? Sadly, I think so.
And remember: whenever you bid on an item, this shows up!
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Can we have the excel file that you used to calculate the examples please?
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IMO this is logical, if there was a bug it should be fixed... Yes people might get f***d but hey you heard it here so get out there and sell your shit before .)
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On January 20 2013 22:33 Douillos wrote:
IMO this is logical, if there was a bug it should be fixed... Yes people might get f***d but hey you heard it here so get out there and sell your shit before .)
Well seems to me like they just created this `bug` with their new red gems and now have to balance around their new ´feature´
(which is nobody gonna use probably).
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thx again for the detailed answer, big help : )
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Get an Empyrean Messenger! Cheap!
Spears are terrible for Barbs. Just bought a 1050dps mace with crit/str and ias without socket until 1.0.7 hits. I won't spend much money until 1.0.7 hits. Soo many Black weapons are now on sale and you can't know how bad the nerf is for every weapon.
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Looks like I should sell this.
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On January 20 2013 22:24 Doso wrote:
Can we have the excel file that you used to calculate the examples please?
You don't want my excel file, its huge and cluttered as it is my random D3 log for crap like my first legendary, level 60, etc. The main equation is explained in the first post. (the "Bugged?" cell is =IF(____>____,1,0) - basic stuff. Also the damage range of the base weapon needs to be guessed and currently base max is unknown due to the bug)
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On January 20 2013 23:13 iBleeedOrange wrote:
Looks like I should sell this.
Will get nerfed to 884.1 dps, but if you put a Marquise +150 gem into it, it will be 1199! ;-D
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On January 20 2013 22:39 Samba wrote:
Well seems to me like they just created this `bug` with their new red gems and now have to balance around their new ´feature´
(which is nobody gonna use probably).
It's not a new 'bug', been around since the game launched pretty much. When you saw the initial push of new 1.04 legendaries, did it not seem odd that only the ones with "black damage" were good?
Take a look at these 3 Legendary 2-h axes. ilvl 63 61 and 60 and guess which one has +elemental damage.
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Same with Swords, Axes, Spear, D: Only the black damage ones were worth even mentioning (Sever, Butchers, 300th)
As a Monk, I remember thinking I was pretty puzzled by why Blizz decided that The Fist of Az'Turrasq (black) would have such a much higher damage range than my beautiful Shenlongs (lightning) or Crystal Fist (holy), (1354+ vs 1030) ALL being ilvl 63.
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How bad will this be nerfed? Archon wiz.
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A post from blizz would be nice if this goes through or not.
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So I guess the Danetta's Bow doesn't get nerfed because of the similar dmgrange like the Windforce's. But I'm not sure about the Calamity. Would be nice if you could calculate that.
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On January 20 2013 23:44 TheMooseHeed wrote:
How bad will this be nerfed? Archon wiz.
On January 21 2013 00:02 DerBeefman wrote:
So I guess the Danetta's Bow doesn't get nerfed because of the similar dmgrange like the Windforce's. But I'm not sure about the Calamity. Would be nice if you could calculate that.
Rare: 887.1 to 758.5
Danetta: Nothing
Calamity: 1111.3 to 1074.6
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Of course the bigger question is how to play this situation! Either you A) Believe this will happen and sell your Black Weapons now and stock undervalued Elemental Weapons or B) You believe this won't happen and buy some cheap Black Weapons now!
Case for A) It makes sense, it is a bug that clearly doesn't make much sense, and weapons that currently do not get boosted (Danettas, Windforce, most elemental weapons) will get affected by the bug with a +150min/max gem to varying degrees. (Danetta's in 1.07 with a +150 gem and unfixed bug will get boosted from 996 to 1482, making it probably better than a crit damage gem)
Case for B) The quoted blue patch note is only for +avg damage affixes on Jewelery. (I haven't verified if its even bugged, hard to test w/o a full dps calculator) And the current weapon damage calculation bug will be unchanged (to pre-appease the masses) until the expansion when someone can code correctly-er.
Personally, I'm cashed-out, no capital to invest in anything so I'm just waiting to craft some crappy amulets I won't even use because they can't roll spirit regen! But I'm split 50/50 as I don't know who would make the calls on the game direction with no Jay Wilson around I asuume calling the shots. But if PTR gets rushed like it is now, it might be B).....! Don't hate me too much if that happens :o)
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No way in hell this is intentional / will go through... there would be an outrage.
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On January 21 2013 01:41 Pokebunny wrote:
No way in hell this is intentional / will go through... there would be an outrage.
They did it before with the reduced Attack Speed.
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i really doubt this will go through. too many people would ragequit the game. myself included.... (just spent 192m on an echoing fury .....)
in particular, i dont see why they should massively change the weapons of 50% of the playerbase just to balance out a new feature.... why not just make the marquise ruby give +0 min/+300 max dam? problem solved....
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On January 21 2013 01:41 Pokebunny wrote:
No way in hell this is intentional / will go through... there would be an outrage.
Its definitly terrible that Elemental-Damage Weapons are so much worse. So its either buff them or ´nerf black weapons.
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On January 21 2013 02:10 Doso wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2013 01:41 Pokebunny wrote:
No way in hell this is intentional / will go through... there would be an outrage. They did it before with the reduced Attack Speed.
back then, the game was just released. this means that the amount of funds and time investment destroyed by the ias nerf was much smaller than what it would be now.
additionally, everyone with half a brain could see that ias was overpowered back then. the bug discussed in this thread would, however, not have been noticed if not for the issues with the marquise ruby.
i dont think there is a balance problem right now, the only imbalance would be created by the marquise rubies. as i said above: why not just make them +0-300 instead of +150-150? problem solved and no need to piss off the majority of the already tiny remaining playerbase...
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Well after checking the AH for cashing out my sword it wont even get that much anyway. So not much of a lose even if it does go through at least :D
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On January 21 2013 02:14 Dirkinity wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2013 01:41 Pokebunny wrote:
No way in hell this is intentional / will go through... there would be an outrage. Its definitly terrible that Elemental-Damage Weapons are so much worse. So its either buff them or ´nerf black weapons.
Oh yes please buff my manti <3
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