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FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11554 Posts
September 19 2009 04:36 GMT
#641
Actually, the Nvidia 260 216 performs better than the 4870 1gb in most benchmarks. It's only a bit more, but it is a better card overall. The 4870 does have the advantage over some games though, but overall the 260 performs better at higher resolutions.

This coming from an ATi fan.
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
Saddened Izzy
Profile Joined July 2009
United States198 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-19 04:55:12
September 19 2009 04:53 GMT
#642
Higher resolutions and Higher AA ratings above 4 due to larger memory access but the AA on ATI works differently and is less demanding on the gpu too but really you rarely need more then 4x AA and AF
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mahnini
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
United States6862 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-19 04:58:09
September 19 2009 04:54 GMT
#643
the performance difference is pretty negligible both cards are pretty much neck and neck. the only thing is it's much easier to find a 1gb 4870 around $150 than it is to find a gtx260 at that price; if you even can.

whoops it does fall behind quite a bit with 8x AA
the world's a playground. you know that when you're a kid, but somewhere along the way everyone forgets it.
Saddened Izzy
Profile Joined July 2009
United States198 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-19 05:02:10
September 19 2009 05:00 GMT
#644
Depends if you are counting mail in rebate and other shit that nvidia cards tend to throw in such a popular games.

Nvidia cards don't work well at 8x AA and AF but really that is more or less placebo effect AA and AF unless your screen is the size like 1024x768 or something really small. But most times at that rez all cards can get the 60 fps or w.e
I don't use AIM/MSN/ etc stop asking...
Excalibur
Profile Joined September 2009
United States58 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-19 10:16:46
September 19 2009 06:55 GMT
#645
@The Egg:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150436 145$

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127426 165$

Picked the cheapest out of each. (Sort -> Lowest Price) I'm sure you may be able to find a 260 on sale at another site (Tigerdirect, ect.) but you could probably find a 4870 on sale somewhere else as well.

When it comes to benchmarks, a number of reviewers remarked that back in the 8.12 catalyst release the 4870 started really edging out the 260, having a 4 out of 10 top games lead at the time. That number rose to 6 out of 10 top games in the next few driver updates and even in the newer range of catalyst drivers it's pretty much been the same.

To say that a 260 is a smart buy with the prices I'm observing on the market would be irresponsible. To say that a 260 might perform 5-10 frames better in a specific game you play is indeed reasonable-my question is how much is each frame worth to you, and does that one game get to be the deciding factor in your purchase?

To respond to an earlier post, I am not a fanboy. That is a term thrown around on sites much less respectable than TL, the same way children throw 'ur mom' jokes at each other. You should be ashamed of bringing such immature terminology here and not be so quick to make such accusations. Check it at the door next time.

I have owned Geforce cards (vanilla Ti 4200, vanilla 6800, PNY 8600 GT 512mb DDR3) and I have owned Radeon cards (9000LE, Sapphire x1600, ASUS 4870 1GB) and my thoughts are always on how much I am getting for my dollar. During the Geforce 8000 series reign I would not have purchased any Radeon card, nor can I in good conscience purchase a GTX200 series in more recent times. I am entrusted by many friends, family, and just customers to design and build PCs for them, and that trust is something that means more to me than any one companies profit margins. I owe that trust the best value, and the same objective buying that I would do when buying for myself.
Whats a 4pool?
Saddened Izzy
Profile Joined July 2009
United States198 Posts
September 19 2009 10:36 GMT
#646
To blindly disregard a card due to broad benchmarks and not due to specific needs is pointless.

Also the MSI card you listed is a much better general card then the XFX card.

1 MSI card has a much better and quieter fan.
2 the MSI card has full HDMI with audio pass though on it =p along with giving you everything but the HDMI cable in the MSI package
3 There is a 10 dollar mail in rebate why would you throw away money??

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121291
Is a much better 4870 deal esp with mail in rebate and more accurately parallels the capabilities of the msi card.

As a HTPC user i would never but that 4870 you listed along with the fact ATI has a shitty rep when it comes to TV's like resolution problems, even though their cards naively have their own sound and doesn't require any extra cords to get sound working on hdmi.

Along with that prices are volatile that vary from week to week so a 10 dollar difference isn't really much of a difference.

And those might perform is more like will perform the difference is more like 10-20 frames more or less depending on the computer the cards are in and the games that are running the frame difference is very important when you talk about crossfire and sli if it comes up although i despise 2 card solutions like using all the 4 ram dimm slots on your mobo, certain games run on certain cards and drivers better hell if i just blindly did shit i would use drivers above 179.xx for my G80 and get 2d errors and other small shit that most people wont notice.

Cards are recommend on desired usage not on blind assumptions. But hell most of the time on smaller rez 1680x1050 and below it's hard to find settings that give people below 60 fps with either of those cards.
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finkr
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
12 Posts
September 19 2009 19:13 GMT
#647
On July 13 2009 07:04 Rob Air Guitar wrote:
I have a Macbook Pro 2.1 ghz with a 1.5gb RAm and a radeon x 1600 vram 128mb. Don't think it's gonna run it some how. Unfortunately I have to get a mac but they haven't released the new chipset yet. Darn. I wonder if the 512mb graphics card in the newer machines will run it at a reasonable quality?


What's the new chipset.

I'm also wondering whether the new 13" Macbook pro's can run Starcraft 2. They have GeForce 9400M. Is this enough to run Starcraft2 / Diablo 3?
i'm from the United Kingdom - why can't I select my country
ghermination
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States2851 Posts
September 19 2009 20:13 GMT
#648
On September 20 2009 04:13 finkr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2009 07:04 Rob Air Guitar wrote:
I have a Macbook Pro 2.1 ghz with a 1.5gb RAm and a radeon x 1600 vram 128mb. Don't think it's gonna run it some how. Unfortunately I have to get a mac but they haven't released the new chipset yet. Darn. I wonder if the 512mb graphics card in the newer machines will run it at a reasonable quality?


What's the new chipset.

I'm also wondering whether the new 13" Macbook pro's can run Starcraft 2. They have GeForce 9400M. Is this enough to run Starcraft2 / Diablo 3?


the 9400m is pretty weak. I would be surprised if it handles hl2 well. Don't waste your money buying macbooks, get a desktop pc.
U Gotta Skate.
0neder
Profile Joined July 2009
United States3733 Posts
September 19 2009 22:07 GMT
#649
On September 20 2009 05:13 ghermination wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2009 04:13 finkr wrote:
On July 13 2009 07:04 Rob Air Guitar wrote:
I have a Macbook Pro 2.1 ghz with a 1.5gb RAm and a radeon x 1600 vram 128mb. Don't think it's gonna run it some how. Unfortunately I have to get a mac but they haven't released the new chipset yet. Darn. I wonder if the 512mb graphics card in the newer machines will run it at a reasonable quality?


What's the new chipset.

I'm also wondering whether the new 13" Macbook pro's can run Starcraft 2. They have GeForce 9400M. Is this enough to run Starcraft2 / Diablo 3?


the 9400m is pretty weak. I would be surprised if it handles hl2 well. Don't waste your money buying macbooks, get a desktop pc.


Telling people who use Macs to not waste money and just get a desktop PC doesn't solve their problem if they want or need the better UI that OSX provides or use one for professional reasons (eg: I'm an Industrial Designer). The correct response would be, either go Mac Pro/iMac or get a desktop PC.
redspace
Profile Joined September 2009
3 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-20 01:38:12
September 19 2009 22:08 GMT
#650
OS: windows xp sp2 or 3 im not sure
cpu: AMD athlon 64x2 @ 2.4 ghz
mobo: asus M2N-MX SE
ram: 2gb ddr2 800mhz
graphics: geforce 8800gts 512mb
HDD:150gb, 10000rpm
PSU: 650w

hoping to get a new system next year...
Chaos
Profile Joined July 2009
United States772 Posts
September 19 2009 23:22 GMT
#651
If you had a faster CPU that wouldn't be that bad...
FruitMarket
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11554 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-20 03:31:59
September 20 2009 03:29 GMT
#652
On September 20 2009 07:07 0neder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2009 05:13 ghermination wrote:
On September 20 2009 04:13 finkr wrote:
On July 13 2009 07:04 Rob Air Guitar wrote:
I have a Macbook Pro 2.1 ghz with a 1.5gb RAm and a radeon x 1600 vram 128mb. Don't think it's gonna run it some how. Unfortunately I have to get a mac but they haven't released the new chipset yet. Darn. I wonder if the 512mb graphics card in the newer machines will run it at a reasonable quality?


What's the new chipset.

I'm also wondering whether the new 13" Macbook pro's can run Starcraft 2. They have GeForce 9400M. Is this enough to run Starcraft2 / Diablo 3?


the 9400m is pretty weak. I would be surprised if it handles hl2 well. Don't waste your money buying macbooks, get a desktop pc.


Telling people who use Macs to not waste money and just get a desktop PC doesn't solve their problem if they want or need the better UI that OSX provides or use one for professional reasons (eg: I'm an Industrial Designer). The correct response would be, either go Mac Pro/iMac or get a desktop PC.


Except the iMac is equipped with uh.. 9400M on the two lower end models and a glorified 9500 on the 3rd most expensive model. And if you want the 4850 (A MID RANGE CARD) you have to pay more than the cost of a 4870 1gb.

hey that's a great deal

If you want to play SC2 at decent settings don't get a mac. period.
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
ghermination
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States2851 Posts
September 20 2009 03:48 GMT
#653
On September 20 2009 07:07 0neder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2009 05:13 ghermination wrote:
On September 20 2009 04:13 finkr wrote:
On July 13 2009 07:04 Rob Air Guitar wrote:
I have a Macbook Pro 2.1 ghz with a 1.5gb RAm and a radeon x 1600 vram 128mb. Don't think it's gonna run it some how. Unfortunately I have to get a mac but they haven't released the new chipset yet. Darn. I wonder if the 512mb graphics card in the newer machines will run it at a reasonable quality?


What's the new chipset.

I'm also wondering whether the new 13" Macbook pro's can run Starcraft 2. They have GeForce 9400M. Is this enough to run Starcraft2 / Diablo 3?


the 9400m is pretty weak. I would be surprised if it handles hl2 well. Don't waste your money buying macbooks, get a desktop pc.


Telling people who use Macs to not waste money and just get a desktop PC doesn't solve their problem if they want or need the better UI that OSX provides or use one for professional reasons (eg: I'm an Industrial Designer). The correct response would be, either go Mac Pro/iMac or get a desktop PC.


Wat. Industrial Designers nowadays use CAD, which is completely CPU dependent. Therefore, getting a macbook pro with a 2.2ghz core 2 duo is retarded because it will slow down your cad and lower your productivity. Do you have any arguments other than "it looks better", which is totally subjective.
U Gotta Skate.
SkylineSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States564 Posts
September 20 2009 18:08 GMT
#654
Processor: Intel Core2 Duo CPU 2.7GHZ
Memory: 2GB Ram
Operation System: Windows Vista 32bit
Harddrive:230GB (about 80bg free)

gfxcard
EVGA 256-P2-N753-TR GeForce 8600 GT 256MB
Stream Processors: 32
Memory Clock 1400MHz
Memory Size 256MB
Memory Interface 128-bit
Memory Type GDDR3

i just ordered it, and what are your thoughts about this gfx card working on current PC games?

FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11554 Posts
September 20 2009 18:21 GMT
#655
Uh the 8600 is an old card, are you sure you don't mean the 9600?
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
SkylineSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States564 Posts
September 20 2009 19:09 GMT
#656
yes the 8600, i got a pretty good deal.
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11554 Posts
September 20 2009 19:13 GMT
#657
8600 should run SC2 at mid settings, and it'll probably run most games at the moment at mid settings. Not sure about the future though, because it was created as a mid range card :<
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
Sadistx
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Zimbabwe5568 Posts
September 20 2009 20:23 GMT
#658
On September 21 2009 03:08 BabyRhino wrote:
Processor: Intel Core2 Duo CPU 2.7GHZ
Memory: 2GB Ram
Operation System: Windows Vista 32bit
Harddrive:230GB (about 80bg free)

gfxcard
EVGA 256-P2-N753-TR GeForce 8600 GT 256MB
Stream Processors: 32
Memory Clock 1400MHz
Memory Size 256MB
Memory Interface 128-bit
Memory Type GDDR3

i just ordered it, and what are your thoughts about this gfx card working on current PC games?



How much did you pay for it?
Chaos
Profile Joined July 2009
United States772 Posts
September 20 2009 20:44 GMT
#659
Hopefully like $30 or less
FruitMarket
yenta
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Poland1142 Posts
September 24 2009 15:16 GMT
#660
Processor: Intel Core i7 Quad 920 - 2.66GHz
Memory: Crucial 6GB (3 x 2GB) DDR3 1333
OS: Windows 7 Professional x64
HD: Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 500GB
Motherboard: ASUS P6T WS PRO LGA 1366
Gfx: ASUS ENGTX260 GL+/HTDI/896MD3 GeForce GTX 260
PSU: ENERMAX MODU82+ 625W

Friend really saved me by buying in usa Wouldn't get anywhere close to this under $1000 in poland.
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