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Niton
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2395 Posts
June 30 2009 03:40 GMT
#161
I voted for Jaedong because I didn't see Nada, so let's just pretend I voted properly. Nada ftw.
tree.hugger: Coming off of [(T)fantasy v. (T)Really] into [(T)Barracks v. (T)MVP] is like coming out of Manhattan into New Jersey. You just have to speed up and ignore it.
omninmo
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
2349 Posts
June 30 2009 03:48 GMT
#162
The best player of all time is undoubtedly (Z)Jaedong. Since he is the current master he will challenge anyone else's claim of "all-time best"
Maybe you meant to ask; "Who was the best player of their time? That might be (T)BoxeR, (Z)sAviOr, (T)NaDa, or (T)Oov?
AloneInDaBunker
Profile Joined November 2008
Korea (South)123 Posts
June 30 2009 03:54 GMT
#163
boxer for me anytime. he is the most entertaining and exciting player to watch.
Boxer is the truth.
ErlinG
Profile Joined October 2006
Norway75 Posts
June 30 2009 03:56 GMT
#164
Where is GG99 Slayer ?!?!?!?!
qrs
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States3637 Posts
June 30 2009 04:05 GMT
#165
13:04 KST: Jaedong takes the lead over Boxer 172-171.
'As per the American Heart Association, the beat of the Bee Gees song "Stayin' Alive" provides an ideal rhythm in terms of beats per minute to use for hands-only CPR. One can also hum Queen's "Another One Bites The Dust".' —Wikipedia
Probe.
Profile Joined May 2009
United States877 Posts
June 30 2009 04:07 GMT
#166
This thread sucks. Nal_rA and Reach aren't on the list. Now i have to vote for boxer.
meow
tobi9999
Profile Joined April 2009
United States1966 Posts
June 30 2009 04:09 GMT
#167
i'm pretty sure nada,boxer,yellow, and all of the old school players will tell you that bisu/jaedong/flash arethe best.
"tobi is ur iq 9999? cuz i think it might be u so smart wowowow." -Artosis
p4NDemik
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States13896 Posts
June 30 2009 04:14 GMT
#168
Jaedong is winning the poll? THIS IS HERESY!

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... actually in my mind I know that's the correct choice, but in my heart ...
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rredtooth
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
5459 Posts
June 30 2009 04:16 GMT
#169
iloveoov is so under appreciated...
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SkepTicAL
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Canada872 Posts
June 30 2009 04:19 GMT
#170
Other: ToT)AeriALs(
AeriALsLighT @AerialsLight
DV8
Profile Joined December 2002
United States1623 Posts
June 30 2009 04:23 GMT
#171
I wonder if I am the only Grrrr supporter here. Giyom Jumped the game by leaps and bounds before boxer ousted him.
KasPra
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Estonia983 Posts
June 30 2009 04:27 GMT
#172
Oov and Nada would be my choices. Oov because of his dominance and Nada because of his persistence. Im not gonna vote atm though.
Atrioc
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States1865 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-30 04:29:50
June 30 2009 04:29 GMT
#173
Did any other progamer have JD's winning percentage (69% or higher) at this many games (300+)?
I know his career winning % is the highest in Korea right now, but obviously the old greats have had theirs skewed down by all the losses in their post-bonjwa career.

This is a serious question. I dont know how to determine it without simply counting 300 games worth of TLPD for iloveoov, nada, boxer, etc.
Writerman what
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8552 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-30 04:54:04
June 30 2009 04:30 GMT
#174
It's not hard, each page is 40 games, so it's to half of the eighth page, hold on let me check.
This is in order by the poll options.

At 300 games:
Boxer 175-125 58.33%
Yellow 180-120 60.00%
Nada 193-107 64.33% *It should be mentioned that he had a nice streak after this.
Iloveoov 192-108 64.00%
Jaedong 206-94 68.66%
Bisu 190-110 63.33%
Flash hasn't played 300 games yet. Currently at 184-89 67.40%
July 178-122 59.33%
Savior 179-121 59.66%
Reach 159-141 53.00%
Nal_rA 179-121 59.66%
Jaedong
writer22816
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States5775 Posts
June 30 2009 04:37 GMT
#175
NaDa in third???
8/4/12 never forget, never forgive.
Letmelose
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Korea (South)3227 Posts
June 30 2009 04:45 GMT
#176
1. Most successful: Boxer
2. Most accomplished: Nada
3. Most loved: Yellow

Boxer will always be the face of progaming. No one will ever take that away from him. There's a reason why people still expect magic from him despite the fact that his first televised tournament win was in 1999. Yes, that's ten years of progaming and counting.

Nada is Nada. Recent top dogs such as Jaedong or Bisu may look comparable to him if we only take into consideration statistics and trophies gathered from "official Kespa" leagues, but if we look at their overall careers, it doesn't even come close. Nada is one of the three progamers (Boxer and Yellow being the other two) to have won double digit number of competitions, and he stacked more victories (televised or otherwise) against progamers than ANY other gamer. As far as progamers are concerned, Nada is the ultimate god of Starcraft. Giyom is the only other plausible name I can think of when we're discussing the "best Starcraft of all time", and that's only because of the stories I've heard of his amateur days before he came to Korea. Considering how hard it is to quantify greatness from those days, Giyom's legend really does become just that - mythology from the ancient days.

As for Yellow, I believe that the universe will implode from the sheer drama if Yellow were ever to win the OGN Starleague.

Some progamer (who are legends themselves) quotes I've heard regarding this issue:

Chojja: Nada is the only progamer that I admit being truly defeated to.
Kingdom: With Oov, I still felt capable of winning even I was defeated ten consecutive times. With Nada, I only felt fear.
July: In my mind, Yellow is the greatest zerg ever. He did things that weren't humanly possible.
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Asianic
Profile Joined January 2009
Singapore99 Posts
June 30 2009 04:53 GMT
#177
iloveoov deserves more
OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
June 30 2009 04:55 GMT
#178
I consider NaDa the Greatest of All Time (GOAT!) Obviously the most accomplished, too.

In terms of raw skills, today's bests are at the top. Bisu, Flash, Jaedong...And that's why it's hard to compare players from different eras in any sport.
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