idra's nature is based a little bit on self-hate and mostly on a protective mechanism which developed over the years he got reduced on his visual presence. if you started to treat him with respect you would maybe see another person in him. i like him and i think he has a quite good macro/micro relation, he could become a successul foreigner in korea.

aTnClouD

Italy2428 Posts

November 13 2007 16:52 GMT

#235

If starting to treat him with respect means not winning games v him then we have a different understanding of the word "respect" because i've never been rough with him or w/e and he just insulted me every time he lost a game. But apparently (i'll let you guess why) that doesn't appen with tots or "famous" people. If he's been nice to you it doesn't mean he's a nice guy actually he's just a kid who bases his consideration towards other people only judging from their bw skill and their importance. He will get bashed in korea if he goes there and come back with his tail between the legs, a lot more people with better talent and attitude towards losing (which means faster learning) went there and couldn't do much.

no.1

516 Posts

November 13 2007 17:06 GMT

#236

which person do exactly mean when you say '' with better talent and attitude '' , if you look at savior he also left games without saying gg and now when he loses he tries to be out the game before his enemy can say gg, isnt it also a kind of disrespectful gesture because he cant accept the fact someone was better than him ( if only in 1 game ) ?

aTnClouD

Italy2428 Posts

November 13 2007 17:14 GMT

#237

I was talking about insults, telling opponent he is newbie stupid idiot and abuses imbalance of the race. That's different dude.

Guybrush

Spain4744 Posts

November 13 2007 17:27 GMT

#238

ClouD is making a good point. There are people who insult players because they feel they "shouldnt" lose to them. News to those; you can lose to players worse than you, but that doesnt give you the right to insult them.

Replying to those insults only fuels the fire further, and result in not only him wasting time on pointless flaming, but more importanly you as well. Best choice is ignoring the player.

Unfortunatly this goes for about 20% of the current best nonkoreans if not more. As for anyone of them being successful in Korea chances are close to zero. Sadly this goes for the rest too though.

kamehameha

Ukraine152 Posts

November 13 2007 17:37 GMT

#239

they talk about how tvp is imbalance, try playing pvz then lets see how bitchy u still are about tvp, i find pvz hard but i dont cry about it after every loss... every mu has its strong and weak points

HonkHonkBeep

China353 Posts

November 13 2007 18:30 GMT

#240

On November 14 2007 02:06 no.1 wrote:
which person do exactly mean when you say '' with better talent and attitude '' , if you look at savior he also left games without saying gg and now when he loses he tries to be out the game before his enemy can say gg, isnt it also a kind of disrespectful gesture because he cant accept the fact someone was better than him ( if only in 1 game ) ?

I think it's patently obvious from Idra's posts that he is not merely leaving a game without saying "gg" after losing, especially if someone as polite and nice as Cloud is complaining (this is actually so uncharacteristic for Cloud it lends his word even greater credibility).

On November 14 2007 02:27 Guybrush wrote:
ClouD is making a good point. There are people who insult players because they feel they "shouldnt" lose to them. News to those; you can lose to players worse than you, but that doesnt give you the right to insult them.

Replying to those insults only fuels the fire further, and result in not only him wasting time on pointless flaming, but more importanly you as well. Best choice is ignoring the player.

Unfortunatly this goes for about 20% of the current best nonkoreans if not more. As for anyone of them being successful in Korea chances are close to zero. Sadly this goes for the rest too though.

I know this for a fact, especially when I play "grudge" kind of matches or just really competitive matches, it suddenly becomes an entirely new game, much harder, everything seems to go wrong, etc, and I might find myself losing to someone I don't think I should. I used to get really pissed at this but over the last couple years I've grown up and I think become a lot more gracious towards losses.