On May 20 2007 17:50 DrainX wrote: Has there ever been a non MMO game that cost to play? You know MMOs have a monthly fee for a reason its not only the develepors being greedy (Although thats a factor too )
Halo 2 will have an optional subscription service when it comes out and so will Hellgate: London (FPS and Diablo clone respectively)
I'd absolutely pay at the start (until I decided if I liked the game enough), but I think making people pay to play a RTS online is a really really bad idea.
Play for 4 hours at the end of the month for that months payment, everyone you play with is newby. okay play four games of sc2 at the end of the month for that months payment, everyone you play with is newby. okay again.
whats the difference? you dont get your money back in WOW for not being active.
You dont rely on other people for your entertainment all the time on either of the games WOW or SC
Wow you go off and adventure on your own. Entertainment. SC you can go play the campaigns, or make maps or some other shit. Entertainment.
Wow you play in a party to complete some random quest. Entertainment SC you play an 8 person FFA or some random UMS game. Entertainment
the games are basically Split in possibility whether to entertain yourself or go play with other people
and one last thought in essance you said you have to play with other people. have you ever heard of a "Computer" Just a quick question.
On May 20 2007 18:09 KodoU- wrote: and one last thought in essance you said you have to play with other people. have you ever heard of a "Computer" Just a quick question.
In SC, thus far, computer opponents have been very predictable and easy to beat, once you've played them enough times. I currently gain very little, if any enjoyment playing a computer opponent.
man maybe i can understand World of warcraft but why do they make people pay to play games after people already bought them for a high price? E.G. HALO 2, you buy the game, then u have to spend more money buying the maps, buy the online service, what kidna bs is that.
On May 20 2007 17:50 DrainX wrote: Has there ever been a non MMO game that cost to play? You know MMOs have a monthly fee for a reason its not only the develepors being greedy (Although thats a factor too )
Halo 2 will have an optional subscription service when it comes out and so will Hellgate: London (FPS and Diablo clone respectively)
We dont know for sure what kind of server usage Hellgate:London will need. It looks like its going to be more towards an MMO than diablo2 was. Instead of starting in a chat when you connect to battlenet the original plan in diablo 2 was you all spawned in town and could chat and trade there and then once you went outside town a game would be created for you. They couldnt do that at that time cuz the hardware/internet/technology didnt allow it. In Hellgate:london they will. Isnt halo 2 a console game? I dont care much for them xD they can cost whatever they want and I have no experience with them or their costs. But then again you would expect something like that from halo being the spawn of microsoft
On May 20 2007 17:49 Fen wrote: It would be very dangerous for blizz to make p2p. Because you dont play RTS games like you do with MMO's and RPG's. Some months youll play heaps, some months you wont play much at all. If you gotta pay money for a couple of games at the end of the month, people just arent going to be bothered and starcraft 2 will die.
Also, with wow your paying your monthly fee for a world that is interactive and can be played single player. In an RTS multiplayer environment you are relying on other players for your entertainment. Do you get a refund if your opponents are noobs?
i totally agree with you. SC2 will die if there was some sort of payment involved.
It would be a sign that Blizzard only cares about money if they make it pay to play online. It would kill a large portion of the point of SC2, competition. How often have you put up your SC cd's to break them back out after 4 months? If it was pay to play i would have never played after the first few months.
On May 20 2007 18:09 KodoU- wrote: and one last thought in essance you said you have to play with other people. have you ever heard of a "Computer" Just a quick question.
In SC, thus far, computer opponents have been very predictable and easy to beat, once you've played them enough times. I currently gain very little, if any enjoyment playing a computer opponent.
I never play vs computers other than to test something, regardless of the game.
For instance, the game of Go, while computers are not very good at this game yet, I'm pretty sure they can beat me.
I don't play them. Why? Because I cant learn from them? No, I just find it completely unenjoyable to play vs non-humans in any competitive game.
Just something I felt like writing cause uh I dunno.
Maybe I should just go to bed and stop f5ing the SC2 forum..
No way it would be a monthly cost, unless they offered a premium battlenet or something like that. Anyway we have hamachi and lan so i highly doubt it would be a subscription thing.
The very nature of WoW dictates that it's a pay 2 play game. MMORPG. The whole point of playing is to get online and play with each other, in a world with everyone else. SC2, while all of us are going to be mostly using it to play online vs each other, it's nothing like a dedicated online game such as WoW. We'll be LANing as well, playing single player, etc... different games, different natures heh
On May 20 2007 18:09 KodoU- wrote: Fen, heres what i think
Play for 4 hours at the end of the month for that months payment, everyone you play with is newby. okay play four games of sc2 at the end of the month for that months payment, everyone you play with is newby. okay again.
whats the difference? you dont get your money back in WOW for not being active.
You dont rely on other people for your entertainment all the time on either of the games WOW or SC
Wow you go off and adventure on your own. Entertainment. SC you can go play the campaigns, or make maps or some other shit. Entertainment.
Wow you play in a party to complete some random quest. Entertainment SC you play an 8 person FFA or some random UMS game. Entertainment
the games are basically Split in possibility whether to entertain yourself or go play with other people
and one last thought in essance you said you have to play with other people. have you ever heard of a "Computer" Just a quick question.
Ok to rebut this stupid post as fast as possible. WOW is a MMORPG, SC2 is a RTS. They are completly different games and when you pay to play them, your paying for different things. WOW your paying to be part of a world. SC2 youll be paying for a matchmaking service.
You dont pay to play the single player campaign or to play the computer so they dont have any relevance to this topic.
And finally a quick question. Do you know a single RTS game in which a non-cheating computer cant be easily beaten?
When you're dealing with a changing MMO environment with events and constant evolution, the fee is somewhat justified. But with an RTS, it would kill the online presense and community of the game.
I'm not going to say it's impossible. Blizz can do whatever they want, it's their game after all. But it would be a tragically bad idea IMO.
P2P would force me into a BW retirement I'd play single player and maybe some day play online, but if anything is going to make me stop this game it would be that.
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