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Purind
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Canada3562 Posts
July 14 2006 10:40 GMT
#21
On July 14 2006 16:08 Th_Terran wrote:


Prove me wrong and ill shutup otherwise u stfu. I actually have rep where i go guard, scourge hydras, ling AND i win WITH NO queens.


If I had a rep where I massed Dark archons and won, would that be sufficient proof that mass dark archon is a good strategy? Would it also sufficiently disprove that templars are actually useful units?
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tKd_
Profile Joined February 2005
United States2916 Posts
July 14 2006 11:17 GMT
#22
i tried this in a pub. i think it's worth a watch even though i messed up a little. the enemy was alright, criticizable though. key thing is he went for a tank build, which meant his marine count wasn't as high.

http://www.battlereports.com/viewreplays.php?replaynum=31521
Th_Terran
Profile Joined June 2006
122 Posts
July 14 2006 11:20 GMT
#23
On July 14 2006 19:40 Purind wrote:
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On July 14 2006 16:08 Th_Terran wrote:


Prove me wrong and ill shutup otherwise u stfu. I actually have rep where i go guard, scourge hydras, ling AND i win WITH NO queens.


If I had a rep where I massed Dark archons and won, would that be sufficient proof that mass dark archon is a good strategy? Would it also sufficiently disprove that templars are actually useful units?


Wtf are u talking about? They are good units but the thing is I had support units..... u dont.
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TheFoReveRwaR
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States10657 Posts
July 14 2006 11:22 GMT
#24
On July 14 2006 20:17 tKd_ wrote:
i tried this in a pub. i think it's worth a watch even though i messed up a little. the enemy was alright, criticizable though. key thing is he went for a tank build, which meant his marine count wasn't as high.

http://www.battlereports.com/viewreplays.php?replaynum=31521

Muta alone can beat a tank rush build with good micro.
Being healthy, it has been said, really consists of having the same disease as everybody else.
tKd_
Profile Joined February 2005
United States2916 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-07-14 11:27:08
July 14 2006 11:25 GMT
#25
On July 14 2006 20:22 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2006 20:17 tKd_ wrote:
i tried this in a pub. i think it's worth a watch even though i messed up a little. the enemy was alright, criticizable though. key thing is he went for a tank build, which meant his marine count wasn't as high.

http://www.battlereports.com/viewreplays.php?replaynum=31521

Muta alone can beat a tank rush build with good micro.


yeah i always use muta to kill tank pushes. he didn't really tank rush me however. i played the game with carapace lings and +1 mutas and infested him and used ensnare when he was attacking my main expo.
sdpgposd
Profile Joined October 2005
United Kingdom1464 Posts
July 14 2006 12:03 GMT
#26
On July 14 2006 19:09 Th_Terran wrote:
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On July 14 2006 18:47 sdpgposd wrote:
TH_Terran, take a hint buddy. People dont like the way you're acting in these forums.


The way im acting in these forums...... i havent flamed talked bad too or any bad thing u can think of until now b/c sum1 wants me banned.


Yeah, you're life on this forum is so vast i've got a huge amount of posts to choose from.

You can't just go around saying 'wtf are u talking about' to people in the strategy section or any section for that matter, people are making valid points and you're not discussing them at all.
zobz
Profile Joined November 2005
Canada2175 Posts
July 14 2006 14:38 GMT
#27
that's not quite true. my advice is people don't be so stuborn not to tell him why he's wrong, and th_terran dont' be so sure you're not being an ass. and why don't you post rep? of your guard hydra ling scourge. it would make things simpler. and i don't think that taking queens out of the equation necessarily means 'the strat is so good it doesn't even need them.'
"That's not gonna be good for business." "That's not gonna be good for anybody."
Th_Terran
Profile Joined June 2006
122 Posts
July 14 2006 22:15 GMT
#28
On July 14 2006 21:03 sdpgposd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2006 19:09 Th_Terran wrote:
On July 14 2006 18:47 sdpgposd wrote:
TH_Terran, take a hint buddy. People dont like the way you're acting in these forums.


The way im acting in these forums...... i havent flamed talked bad too or any bad thing u can think of until now b/c sum1 wants me banned.


Yeah, you're life on this forum is so vast i've got a huge amount of posts to choose from.

You can't just go around saying 'wtf are u talking about' to people in the strategy section or any section for that matter, people are making valid points and you're not discussing them at all.


I was dicussing until yall decided to flame me. Read all of the quotes b4 saying that Plz.
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NeverTheEndlessWiz
Profile Joined November 2003
Singapore827 Posts
July 14 2006 23:52 GMT
#29
Th_Terran, drop it. If u noticed u actually started the flaming yourself; you don't need to respond to criticism all the time.

Anyway i think queen muta is too gas heavy for most maps where u will prefer the gas to be on lurkers. Nice idea, can work on some maps that marines cannot be used easily (which is rare)
Retired Brood War player / WCG SG Top 8 for 2002, 2003, 2004, retired, then made minor comeback to Top 8 at 2008. 2009 = bleh xD
tKd_
Profile Joined February 2005
United States2916 Posts
July 15 2006 00:12 GMT
#30
On July 15 2006 08:52 NeverTheEndlessWiz wrote:
Th_Terran, drop it. If u noticed u actually started the flaming yourself; you don't need to respond to criticism all the time.

Anyway i think queen muta is too gas heavy for most maps where u will prefer the gas to be on lurkers. Nice idea, can work on some maps that marines cannot be used easily (which is rare)


the idea is to use queen/muta to fight marines and not avoid them using upgrades and ensnare, which can be used to replace lurkers until he has irradiate, which is the theorycraft the topic creator was talking about. i like the idea
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
July 15 2006 00:33 GMT
#31
going queens to ensnare just so you can use mutas mid game si a huge gamble. Even if you ensnare them all it would take is a couple irradiates or the marines grouping well to slaughter your entire mutalisk force. And if you have a mutalisk force that is supposed to tango with a good sized MnM force mid game than chances are you are fucked if it fails.

Stick to the safer stuff, if you want to use ensnare you it in conjunction with defiler/lurk/ling or lurk/hydra. Mutalisk are great game enders early or perhaps a harrass switch mid game but they are not meant to be a full on combative choice against an entire terran force. Combined WITH ling or hydra/lurk than sure it can be very nice.
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
July 15 2006 00:40 GMT
#32
Well, if you're going to do a wait for terran army to leave base -> gogo muta/queen nat cc steal, then I'm sure that ensnare wouldn't be unreasonable to tech, to make use of that queen and maybe another for 200/200 isn't much more of an investment.

And I think everyone's ignoring the fact that the muta/queen combo must have an implied ling element to it. Otherwise, where are all the minerals going to? Sure, it could be going to expos and drones, but you wouldn't try powering, teching, and attacking the terran blob aggressively all at the same time.
Th_Terran
Profile Joined June 2006
122 Posts
July 15 2006 00:40 GMT
#33
[QUOTE]On July 15 2006 08:52 NeverTheEndlessWiz wrote:
Th_Terran, drop it. If u noticed u actually started the flaming yourself; you don't need to respond to criticism all the time.

[QUOTE]

Ok somehow u made me feel better :D lmao. But that was the first time i ever responded. Ill try to control myself as long as war doesnt flame me again. Look in "The Dilema" he fuking told topic starternnot to listen to me even when i said "i think" and "I suk with protoss" and Was PROPOSING THE IDEA not telling topic starter to do anything.
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DruggedMarine
Profile Joined July 2006
79 Posts
July 15 2006 04:15 GMT
#34
[QUOTE]On July 15 2006 09:40 Th_Terran wrote:
[QUOTE]On July 15 2006 08:52 NeverTheEndlessWiz wrote:
Th_Terran, drop it. If u noticed u actually started the flaming yourself; you don't need to respond to criticism all the time.

[QUOTE]

Ok somehow u made me feel better :D lmao. But that was the first time i ever responded. Ill try to control myself as long as war doesnt flame me again. Look in "The Dilema" he fuking told topic starternnot to listen to me even when i said "i think" and "I suk with protoss" and Was PROPOSING THE IDEA not telling topic starter to do anything.[/QUOTE]

God ur worse than HooHa..just stop posting plz..
Mr.Rice
Profile Joined May 2006
Brazil44 Posts
July 15 2006 04:54 GMT
#35
I love queens , they are a pretty good combo with lurker and defilers but u neeed a MONSTER micro, otherwise it would be unefective.
Noob, but never stop learning
Patriot.dlk
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Sweden5462 Posts
July 15 2006 05:53 GMT
#36
On July 14 2006 16:08 Th_Terran wrote:
Prove me wrong and ill shutup otherwise u stfu. I actually have rep where i go guard, scourge hydras, ling AND i win WITH NO queens.


This is the worst post I've ever seen in the strategy forum.
Sfydjklm
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
United States9218 Posts
July 15 2006 07:19 GMT
#37
You know guys once i went muta, scourage, guards, devouers, added some ultras and lings, and then some hydra just for the fun of it, and some lurkers to counter marines, and then of course a couple of queens and defilers to cast some cute spells, and some drones in front to attrack fire, and overloards on top to see wraith.
And I won yes, good strat.
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Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
July 15 2006 07:42 GMT
#38
On July 15 2006 16:19 Sfydjklm wrote:
You know guys once i went muta, scourage, guards, devouers, added some ultras and lings, and then some hydra just for the fun of it, and some lurkers to counter marines, and then of course a couple of queens and defilers to cast some cute spells, and some drones in front to attrack fire, and overloards on top to see wraith.
And I won yes, good strat.


Without the infested terrans, you're never going to win.

Btw, since when was having the 5th post or so bashing somebody the exact same way for the exact same reason when the issue's already resolved cool?
OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
July 15 2006 10:33 GMT
#39
On July 15 2006 07:15 Th_Terran wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2006 21:03 sdpgposd wrote:
On July 14 2006 19:09 Th_Terran wrote:
On July 14 2006 18:47 sdpgposd wrote:
TH_Terran, take a hint buddy. People dont like the way you're acting in these forums.


The way im acting in these forums...... i havent flamed talked bad too or any bad thing u can think of until now b/c sum1 wants me banned.


Yeah, you're life on this forum is so vast i've got a huge amount of posts to choose from.

You can't just go around saying 'wtf are u talking about' to people in the strategy section or any section for that matter, people are making valid points and you're not discussing them at all.


I was dicussing until yall decided to flame me. Read all of the quotes b4 saying that Plz.


Okay...just stop posting PLEASE. After looking at "The dilema" thread I come here just to find you going off again. Please stop.
Th_Terran
Profile Joined June 2006
122 Posts
July 15 2006 12:05 GMT
#40
On July 15 2006 19:33 OneOther wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2006 07:15 Th_Terran wrote:
On July 14 2006 21:03 sdpgposd wrote:
On July 14 2006 19:09 Th_Terran wrote:
On July 14 2006 18:47 sdpgposd wrote:
TH_Terran, take a hint buddy. People dont like the way you're acting in these forums.


The way im acting in these forums...... i havent flamed talked bad too or any bad thing u can think of until now b/c sum1 wants me banned.


Yeah, you're life on this forum is so vast i've got a huge amount of posts to choose from.

You can't just go around saying 'wtf are u talking about' to people in the strategy section or any section for that matter, people are making valid points and you're not discussing them at all.


I was dicussing until yall decided to flame me. Read all of the quotes b4 saying that Plz.


Okay...just stop posting PLEASE. After looking at "The dilema" thread I come here just to find you going off again. Please stop.


LOL Ok im not flaming but i think ur quote choices are a bit late. I apoligize and i wont post into things i dont know. IM SORRY TL COMMUNITY, OK?!?!?!?! Look im dun getting flamed if u wanna flame me PM me.
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