LzGamer Leaves Evil Geniuses

On February 05 2013 14:12 Gamegene wrote:
hope he's still around in the next year, unlike strifecro

On February 05 2013 14:43 jeeneeus wrote:
Was LZGamer the guy who did that 11 supply banshee rush against idra on desert oasis?

On February 05 2013 14:43 jeeneeus wrote:
Was LZGamer the guy who did that 11 supply banshee rush against idra on desert oasis?

On February 05 2013 14:48 intense555 wrote:

Nice guy isn't enough to go far in e-sports, Machine probably next, then incontrol.

On February 05 2013 14:48 intense555 wrote:

Nice guy isn't enough to go far in e-sports, Machine probably next, then incontrol.

On February 05 2013 15:20 FreshVegetables wrote:
Yeah, InControl is not gonna get cut ever. He's way too awesome for that, but Machine on the other hand. Holds no worth as a player, sure his stream is nice to watch and he seems like a cool guy but his skill's arent just there.

On February 05 2013 15:51 Frankon wrote:

Machine is Idra body double. EG can't cut him off.

On February 05 2013 16:18 TigerKarl wrote:
Let's sign another random korean for random reasons.

On February 05 2013 16:40 Superiorwolf wrote:
He started doing really well towards the end of 2012, I think this is definitely not the last we'll hear of him. He's an awesome guy, super friendly (except against KawaiiRice XD) and always has the most creative builds, which will be a significant strength once HotS comes out. Wish him the best of luck

On February 05 2013 20:29 kongoline wrote:
1 patch zerg less

On February 05 2013 14:11 rd wrote:
If he's looking for a new team I'm not sure why he'd leave EG. Hopefully more details come out.

On February 05 2013 20:53 MegaFonzie wrote:

But Lz had his most notable achievements well before that patch. And as terran.....

Jacob Winstead ‏@LzGaMeR
Don't worry I'm not leaving E-sports/Sc2.

Justin Name ‏@FuriOusSC2
@LzGaMeR You're in for HotS I hope, and not switching games.

Jacob Winstead Jacob Winstead ‏@LzGaMeR
@FuriOusSC2 Yes sir. All-in

On February 05 2013 14:23 DusTerr wrote:
he was my favorite EG terran

On February 05 2013 21:57 imEnex wrote:


he plays zerg

On February 05 2013 22:16 aka_star wrote:


When did he switch?

On February 05 2013 23:06 Holdinga wrote:
I think Machine is next.

iNcontroL will never leave EG. I think the best move for him is to resign as a player, and become some sort of coach or commentator and a spokesperson for EG. However, I don't see him resigning as a player because he does a lot of coaching which is really profitable for him. I think that if he retires - he will lose a lot of his coaching potential ( I don't think many people would like to be coached by someone retired as a player). I do have respect for iNcontroL, and the respect will be greater when he retires as a player .

I think it is a little comical that LzGamer says that he leaves by his own choice (Unless he has personal life issues he needs to fix... if it is that, then I am sorry for what I said) I doubt any team would like to acquire him, will he retire from sc2, or try a fresh start with HotS... I don't think so

I also don't know what future there is for the teamhouse in Arizona... It is interesting what will happen with it. I don't think they will keep it for very long, unless it houses LoL or Dota2 EG players.

Btw - a little off topic, but I think we need some more EG or (EG-TL) coverage on what's happening with the players, interviews and teamhouse atmosphere. There used to be a lot more of that in the past

On February 05 2013 23:08 kiy0 wrote:
LZ was the inventor of the 5-raxx reaper during the beta. He is by enlarge the reason why respers virtually dissapeared from WoL pro gaming for more than 2 years.

Given the business model from EG, this move doesn't surprise me. He barely joined EG in meaningful tournament and his results have not been up to the teams standards.
He's a cool guy. He'll land on his feet.

On February 05 2013 23:47 DrPandaPhD wrote:

Pretty sure it was MorroW who got reapers nerfed after he won the IEM.

On Topic: GL to Lz in whatever he chooses to pursue next

On February 05 2013 23:55 NrG.Bamboo wrote:

MorroW perfected it and used it in the most beautifully abused way possible, but the concept was shown quite a bit by LZ previous to that.

Sad to see LZ go; I wonder if he will continue playing SC2 or if this is his step out of the scene. He was the only EG member I really "liked," always incredibly polite and manner in conversation and in game.

On February 06 2013 00:00 jakethesnake wrote:


According to twitter he is 'All-in' for HOTS and isn't leaving the SC2 scene.

Hoping that wherever Lz ends up that we see more of him. While he hasn't had the best results, he is definitely one of those people that you can't help but like.

GL Lz!

On February 05 2013 14:23 DusTerr wrote:
he was my favorite EG terran

On February 06 2013 01:00 DavoS wrote:


He was a Zerg player?

On February 06 2013 00:23 striderxxx wrote:
who is he?

On February 05 2013 23:59 FeyFey wrote:
Lz made people hate me. When I started sc2 on the retail I did some of the training maps, that are slower and have rocks protecting you from early rushes. Well the Rocks didn't stopped Reapers.

Wish him the best ^.^ he brought micro above a-move to starcraft2. Atleast to Terran, well Zerg got another title partly thanks to him.

On February 05 2013 23:11 MrMotionPicture wrote:
I liked his reaper stuff back in the day. Good times.

On February 05 2013 15:41 ReachTheSky wrote:


This! Miss watching his terran stream ><
I'm wondering if he will still play/be active. According to sc2 ranks his last games played were in october 2012...

On February 06 2013 10:10 Fliparoni wrote:
I wonder why he declined. It would seem to me that being on a top-tier team like EG with all their resources to support you would be extremely beneficial as a progamer.

On February 06 2013 09:54 LovE- wrote:
He said on stream today that it was quite simple.

His words: "My contract expired. EG offered me a new one. I declined."

He also stated that he isn't leaving ESPORTS and there is no bad blood. Hope to see him on a new team soon!

On February 06 2013 09:49 furerkip wrote:
Sorry, who is this guy >_>?

On February 06 2013 10:54 Bibbit wrote:
He said one thing on stream today that I thought was kind of funny. He seemed relieved to be able to say his skype name and have people add him if they want coaching, rather than having to sneak around and do it covertly through emails because of the Raidcall sponsorship :D

On February 06 2013 10:49 WolfintheSheep wrote:

And that essentially kills all the drama that could have resulted from this.

On February 06 2013 06:00 Zebrapudding wrote:
He had such a fun stream to watch.

On February 06 2013 11:58 radscorpion9 wrote:


That is so bizarre. EG is one of the best known, and best paying teams. Maybe he didn't like the atmosphere? But he said there is no bad blood. I'm pretty sure EG works with many types of games, so I can't see him switching to a new game. To be honest I think LZGamer was in an incredibly good position considering his results over the past few years, and TO STILL BE OFFERED a contract is just amazing to me.

Many pro-gamers playing SC2 would dream to be payed by EG and make it into a big name team, having the same results LZGamer has. I think maybe, the only explanation I can think of, is that he was a bit embarrassed to be on such a big team but not really be contributing. So he felt like he didn't belong, or didn't deserve to be there?

Well in any case don't want to be too negative. I hope whatever he does he finds his passion and has a happy life

On February 06 2013 12:14 Hoberator wrote:


IT LIVES!!!

On February 06 2013 12:23 MaestroSC wrote:
Big fan of LzGamer, and still will be.

I think he is a very respectable guy both in and out of game, and like Sheth, is one of the personalities that I want to emulate when I meet new people or introduce more people into eSports. He is a super nice and friendly guy. He is really down to earth, but still has strict standards of conduct for himself. I have never heard him curse or talk badly about another person in his entire CAREER.

When is the last time ANYONE had beef with him? Or you heard him talking badly on anyone else?

The drama, while it actually does get select players attention, it should not be the attention that people strive to receive. And I think that this is Lz's curse and his blessing at the same time. Because a lot of people LOVE the drama and the handful of individuals it is usually revolving around.

IDK EG, is turning into more of a Korean team than a foreign team anyways.
JD, Puma, JYP, Revival.

They have Idra (who is a korean trained player, and since he has left Korea has never been even close performance wise to where he was when he was living there)

Huk, who is living and playing in Korea.

Stephano, Thorzain, and Suppy tho, are their three notable non-koreanpickups, None of whom live in the EG house. (Two of whom spend as much time in Korea, if not more, than they do in the EG house, the 3rd who doesnt live in the EG house either)

Demuslim has also shown the ability to be a top level contender when he is focused.

I am a GIANT fan of iNcontroL as a personality and caster. And I think Machine is another AWSOME person, but in all honesty his entire SC2 career has been based off of his past BW career. If he wasnt on EG at release, he wouldn't be currently.

EG has been slowly expanding their SC2 Korean squad, and when Kespa players become more accessible as far as contracts/trading goes, we will prob see an even more Korean based EG squad. (Not that i blame them... lets be real how many tournaments have foreigners won in a long time where Koreans were present)


Meh ive gotten WWAAAYYY off on this tangent haha sry.

Anyways, big fan, still am, and will be. Will undoubtedly still be clicking on that stream whenever I see it up.

On February 06 2013 12:29 smfd wrote:

Machines sc2 career has not been based off his BW career at all, afaik he played well in sc2 beta and even placed top 8 in an MLG? i might be wrong but he was a good player in early sc2 days, and definately a top American player. since then the koreans started to dominate, but machine is probably still a top american zerg, and so is lzgamer ;p

On February 06 2013 12:37 WolfintheSheep wrote:

Not wanting to hate on either player, but America has actually become a very competitive place in the last while, especially when it comes to Zergs (IdrA, goswser, Vibe and Suppy come to mind). Lz and Machine have both had some surprising results last year, but there have been a lot of up-and-comers taking the scene by storm.

On February 06 2013 20:44 Ingusstarcraft wrote:
To be honest, him, demu, incontrol and machine should have been dropped much sooner, they don't accomplish anything. Imagining the salary they're getting from EG, it would be much wiser to drop all of them and hire one or two really top class players, such as Squirtle... but that's just my 2 cents.

On February 06 2013 20:44 Ingusstarcraft wrote:
To be honest, him, demu, incontrol and machine should have been dropped much sooner, they don't accomplish anything. Imagining the salary they're getting from EG, it would be much wiser to drop all of them and hire one or two really top class players, such as Squirtle... but that's just my 2 cents.

On February 06 2013 20:44 Ingusstarcraft wrote:
To be honest, him, demu, incontrol and machine should have been dropped much sooner, they don't accomplish anything. Imagining the salary they're getting from EG, it would be much wiser to drop all of them and hire one or two really top class players, such as Squirtle... but that's just my 2 cents.

On February 06 2013 20:44 Ingusstarcraft wrote:
To be honest, him, demu, incontrol and machine should have been dropped much sooner, they don't accomplish anything. Imagining the salary they're getting from EG, it would be much wiser to drop all of them and hire one or two really top class players, such as Squirtle... but that's just my 2 cents.

On February 07 2013 02:03 Vertigro wrote:


Should they really? Well im sure you know something EG management don't... I mean it's not like Demu is one of the absolute best foreign terrans, Incontrol isn't one of the biggest personalities (and staples) of the entire team and Machine isn't a hugely marketable and still competitive NA zerg.

At the GIGABYTE ESPORTS LAN Invitational Machine was unable to get out of the group stage with a 1-4 record, only defeating Mystik.

On February 07 2013 02:20 ZenithM wrote:

Machine, hugely marketable? 219 average stream viewers in january 2013 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=396508
Still competitive? Last sentence of his liquipedia page:

Barely hanging in NA Grandmaster is not "competitive" for a full time progamer. And by that I mean that it doesn't warrant a salary, imo. If he's not paid, then my bad, but he's still living in a nice house and being given food, I would assume (meme reference not intended).
I can't say you're wrong about Demuslim and Incontrol. Demuslim is a very good Terran, and Incontrol produces quite a lot of entertaining content.

And by the way, I have nothing against Machine, he seems like a nice guy. But nice guy =/= "hugely marketable".

On February 07 2013 02:03 Vertigro wrote:


Should they really? Well im sure you know something EG management doesn't... I mean it's not like Demu is one of the absolute best foreign terrans, Incontrol isn't one of the biggest personalities (and staples) of the entire team and Machine isn't a hugely marketable and still competitive NA zerg.

On February 07 2013 02:30 Vertigro wrote:


I assume EG still see Machine bringing something to the team though, why else would they still keep him around otherwise? They had no problems in cutting Axslav and Strifecro a while back so there's obviously something? I'll concede that Machine's performances haven't been truly 'competitive' in a while, and his stream doesn't bring huge flocks of viewers, but the fact he's been used in EG commercials etc implies that the management see's worth in him

On February 07 2013 02:43 Ingusstarcraft wrote:


Being one of the absolut best foreign terrans doesn't mean anything, he's still not really good, compared to some other players EG has.

On February 06 2013 20:44 Ingusstarcraft wrote:
To be honest, him, demu, incontrol and machine should have been dropped much sooner, they don't accomplish anything. Imagining the salary they're getting from EG, it would be much wiser to drop all of them and hire one or two really top class players, such as Squirtle... but that's just my 2 cents.

On February 07 2013 04:14 TsGBruzze wrote:

you must be kidding me right? how can you say that they shall kick incontrol, i think he makes more money than alot of other players, demusilm being one of the best foreign terrans and machine being the nicest guy ever.

On February 07 2013 04:22 Berceno wrote:


incontrol should stay yeah, he is very good at what he does, I have some doubts with demusling but it's okay, but machine... nobody cares if he is a nice guy or the devil, this is not about being the nicest guy ever, this is about doing something useful for EG, maybe you can consider machine like a good practice partner, but I doubt it, he is like mid masters NA ? that's like korea diamond... I'm not hating on him, he's probably a coold dude, but I don't see how is he helping the team at all, the last time I saw him the last 6 months was in an EG advertisment

On February 06 2013 20:44 Ingusstarcraft wrote:
To be honest, him, demu, incontrol and machine should have been dropped much sooner, they don't accomplish anything. Imagining the salary they're getting from EG, it would be much wiser to drop all of them and hire one or two really top class players, such as Squirtle... but that's just my 2 cents.

On February 07 2013 04:14 TsGBruzze wrote:

you must be kidding me right? how can you say that they shall kick incontrol, i think he makes more money than alot of other players, demusilm being one of the best foreign terrans and machine being the nicest guy ever.

On February 07 2013 04:14 TsGBruzze wrote:

you must be kidding me right? how can you say that they shall kick incontrol, i think he makes more money than alot of other players, demusilm being one of the best foreign terrans and machine being the nicest guy ever.

On February 07 2013 06:44 Ingusstarcraft wrote:
... He does not serve any purpose for the team, therefore dropping him should be the best solution.

On February 07 2013 04:37 TsGBruzze wrote:

Well he is alot better than mid masters... He streams alot and more often than not get alot of vievers, who knows he maybe doesnt get paid alot so what does eg lose by having in the team?

On February 07 2013 08:58 yoshi245 wrote:
Incontrol is a great personality and can easily stop being paid as a player, and more of a host type figure or a media personality for EG. As for Demuslim, he was close to beating Violet in NASL S4 finals, and while that may have been overlooked and felt like an eternity ago. It's still relevant, being one of the top foreigner Terrans is a rare feat these days (mainly due to how few play Terran as a foreigner).

But as for Machine, yeah I figure when his contract is up, he'll be gone just like LzGamer. Gotta trim the fat and use that dirty cash to afford another Korean Player to curse

On February 07 2013 11:13 WolfintheSheep wrote:

Ignoring the fact that LzGamer was offered a new contract, right?

On February 08 2013 03:43 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
I like how this thread almost immediately went from "Best of luck in the future, LzGamer" to "We totally need to rally against other players to make sure that they're removed from their pro teams, because they're not the best and we're managers and we know everything".

On February 05 2013 14:11 CEPEHDREI wrote:
aww thats sad. wouldve hoped for a try in HotS.

he had the best stream in beta.

On February 13 2013 09:37 SayGen wrote:


You mean EGIdraRC had best stream in Beta
Edit: Also LZ gamer was only good before the pro gamers got involved, after that he had lackluster finishes.

Don't get me wrong i'm not trash tlaking him, but don't heroize a mediocre player.

On February 13 2013 09:37 SayGen wrote:


You mean EGIdraRC had best stream in Beta
Edit: Also LZ gamer was only good before the pro gamers got involved, after that he had lackluster finishes.

Don't get me wrong i'm not trash tlaking him, but don't heroize a mediocre player.

On February 13 2013 09:37 SayGen wrote:


You mean EGIdraRC had best stream in Beta
Edit: Also LZ gamer was only good before the pro gamers got involved, after that he had lackluster finishes.

Don't get me wrong i'm not trash tlaking him, but don't heroize a mediocre player.

On May 07 2013 04:57 SOPhorrific wrote:


After such a fiery *not trash talk* it seems to me like somebody needs a little heroizing...

As for me, LzGaMeR, you're friggin awesome.
I learned a lot; still watching your stream
Best of luck.

On May 07 2013 05:08 renaissanceMAN wrote:
AWESOME DEAD THREADS EVERYWHERE