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On November 04 2017 00:23 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2017 00:15 Mohdoo wrote:
In my eyes, the nickname Pocahontas isn't racist because Warren straight up isn't native american. She faked it, made it up. Trump, like a lot of people, probably assumed the Disney movie was made up, too. TBH, the nickname is good in my eyes. The idea of "she's not native american, because much like the disney character, it is made up" is pretty good except for the fact that pocahontas is based on a real person lol. Part of the reason I didn't use racist, because it's more about the disregard of indigenous people's opinions on the matter by pretty much everyone involved.
I guess I don't see what makes it offensive since it is him calling her out for pretending to be one of these people. She exploited native americans and he's poking fun at her for it. If you ignored everything we know about Trump, you'd almost think he's defending native americans.
When I first saw him using the term, my eyes went wide because I assumed it was deeply offensive. But the more I thought about it, the more I see it as him basically yelling "YOU ARE NOT NATIVE AMERICAN, BY THE WAY" every time he talks about her. It is a really cheeky way of putting her on blast. Would it be better if he used a different name? Is it specific to Pocahontas, or is the entire idea of reminding her she isn't native american by calling her a native american itself offensive?
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On November 04 2017 00:22 warding wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2017 00:15 Plansix wrote:On November 04 2017 00:11 WolfintheSheep wrote:On November 03 2017 23:17 Plansix wrote:
It's like they don't understand that this is sort of admitting to profiting from abusive behavior. I called Danglars out on getting bad news from Twitter feeds, I'll call you out to... He's saying that to his investors. He's not saying they can't fix things because it will cost them. He's saying that their profit numbers will go down because they are investing in better security and checks. If they were not spending money combating abuses of their system and doing so would cut into profits, it means they were profiting from the abuse on their platform. And would still be doing it if they were not looking down the double barrel of government regulation. They would be happy to leave things as they are if they could. As a public company they have to inform investors of news that may affect profitability and thus the valuation of the stock. Admitting that investing more money to combat abuse hurts profitability does not necessarily mean they are terribly disappointed about the fact. They may not have acted before because only now realized it was a serious problem. They're sitting on $30Bn in cash and short term investments, I doubt Sergey and Larry are losing sleep over the few million they'll have to invest on a team to screen politically abusive ads (or on the AI to do it automatically).
I understand how publicly owned companies work. That doesn’t maybe me sympathetic in any way. If the market makes is profitable allow their platform to be abused by state actors and hate groups, they need to be regulated. Especially when they are the size of Facebook.
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I think you're giving Trump far too much credit, Mohdoo.
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On November 04 2017 00:29 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2017 00:23 GreenHorizons wrote:On November 04 2017 00:15 Mohdoo wrote:
In my eyes, the nickname Pocahontas isn't racist because Warren straight up isn't native american. She faked it, made it up. Trump, like a lot of people, probably assumed the Disney movie was made up, too. TBH, the nickname is good in my eyes. The idea of "she's not native american, because much like the disney character, it is made up" is pretty good except for the fact that pocahontas is based on a real person lol. Part of the reason I didn't use racist, because it's more about the disregard of indigenous people's opinions on the matter by pretty much everyone involved. I guess I don't see what makes it offensive since it is him calling her out for pretending to be one of these people.
Just call her a liar. There are so many other words in this world, why use the one that evokes racism?
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On November 04 2017 00:30 WolfintheSheep wrote:
I think you're giving Trump far too much credit, Mohdoo.
I don't think Trump sees native americans as equals. Don't get me wrong. I am just saying the entire purpose of using a native american name is to constantly remind people she exploited native american struggle for her own benefit.
On November 04 2017 00:31 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2017 00:29 Mohdoo wrote:On November 04 2017 00:23 GreenHorizons wrote:On November 04 2017 00:15 Mohdoo wrote:
In my eyes, the nickname Pocahontas isn't racist because Warren straight up isn't native american. She faked it, made it up. Trump, like a lot of people, probably assumed the Disney movie was made up, too. TBH, the nickname is good in my eyes. The idea of "she's not native american, because much like the disney character, it is made up" is pretty good except for the fact that pocahontas is based on a real person lol. Part of the reason I didn't use racist, because it's more about the disregard of indigenous people's opinions on the matter by pretty much everyone involved. I guess I don't see what makes it offensive since it is him calling her out for pretending to be one of these people. Just call her a liar. There are so many other words in this world, why use the one that evokes racism?
Because the name itself serves as the whole argument why she exploited native american struggle. It is a 2017 version of political slander, confined to a brief tweet. It is a political tool.
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On November 04 2017 00:29 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2017 00:23 GreenHorizons wrote:On November 04 2017 00:15 Mohdoo wrote:
In my eyes, the nickname Pocahontas isn't racist because Warren straight up isn't native american. She faked it, made it up. Trump, like a lot of people, probably assumed the Disney movie was made up, too. TBH, the nickname is good in my eyes. The idea of "she's not native american, because much like the disney character, it is made up" is pretty good except for the fact that pocahontas is based on a real person lol. Part of the reason I didn't use racist, because it's more about the disregard of indigenous people's opinions on the matter by pretty much everyone involved. I guess I don't see what makes it offensive since it is him calling her out for pretending to be one of these people. She exploited native americans and he's poking fun at her for it. If you ignored everything we know about Trump, you'd almost think he's defending native americans. When I first saw him using the term, my eyes went wide because I assumed it was deeply offensive. But the more I thought about it, the more I see it as him basically yelling "YOU ARE NOT NATIVE AMERICAN, BY THE WAY" every time he talks about her. It is a really cheeky way of putting her on blast. Would it be better if he used a different name? Is it specific to Pocahontas, or is the entire idea of reminding her she isn't native american by calling her a native american itself offensive?
All of it is offensive. That's why I prefaced it with "even if he was 100% right about her exploiting..."
Maybe "Iron eyes" would be better from a relevant name calling perspective, but it would still be resoundingly unaware. As a general rule white people should just avoid using any references/campaigns/or caricatures relating to indigenous people. Pretty much 100% of the time it's ignorant as all hell.
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On November 04 2017 00:32 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2017 00:30 WolfintheSheep wrote:
I think you're giving Trump far too much credit, Mohdoo. I don't think Trump sees native americans as equals. Don't get me wrong. I am just saying the entire purpose of using a native american name is to constantly remind people she exploited native american struggle for her own benefit. Show nested quote +On November 04 2017 00:31 Plansix wrote:On November 04 2017 00:29 Mohdoo wrote:On November 04 2017 00:23 GreenHorizons wrote:On November 04 2017 00:15 Mohdoo wrote:
In my eyes, the nickname Pocahontas isn't racist because Warren straight up isn't native american. She faked it, made it up. Trump, like a lot of people, probably assumed the Disney movie was made up, too. TBH, the nickname is good in my eyes. The idea of "she's not native american, because much like the disney character, it is made up" is pretty good except for the fact that pocahontas is based on a real person lol. Part of the reason I didn't use racist, because it's more about the disregard of indigenous people's opinions on the matter by pretty much everyone involved. I guess I don't see what makes it offensive since it is him calling her out for pretending to be one of these people. Just call her a liar. There are so many other words in this world, why use the one that evokes racism? Because the name itself serves as the whole argument why she exploited native american struggle. It is a 2017 version of political slander, confined to a brief tweet. It is a political tool.
If this is Trump's reasoning, it's the most brain cells he's used while sitting in office.
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I am just impressed that Mohdoo has bought completely into the Warren has exploited Native Americans narrative when as far as I know all Brown came up with was it being listed on a diversity thing.
She isn't going around saying she's the first Native American congressperson or anything is she? If so that's another matter, but I don't think it was even brought up before Brown.
Plus this is one of the scenarios where, like I genuinely believe Trump thinks he saw New Jersey Muslims celebrating 9/11, I genuinely believe Warren when she says her family has told her she has Native American ancestry (it helps my dad says the same thing about being 1/64th Mohawk Indian or whatever).
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On November 04 2017 00:32 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2017 00:30 WolfintheSheep wrote:
I think you're giving Trump far too much credit, Mohdoo. I don't think Trump sees native americans as equals. Don't get me wrong. I am just saying the entire purpose of using a native american name is to constantly remind people she exploited native american struggle for her own benefit. Show nested quote +On November 04 2017 00:31 Plansix wrote:On November 04 2017 00:29 Mohdoo wrote:On November 04 2017 00:23 GreenHorizons wrote:On November 04 2017 00:15 Mohdoo wrote:
In my eyes, the nickname Pocahontas isn't racist because Warren straight up isn't native american. She faked it, made it up. Trump, like a lot of people, probably assumed the Disney movie was made up, too. TBH, the nickname is good in my eyes. The idea of "she's not native american, because much like the disney character, it is made up" is pretty good except for the fact that pocahontas is based on a real person lol. Part of the reason I didn't use racist, because it's more about the disregard of indigenous people's opinions on the matter by pretty much everyone involved. I guess I don't see what makes it offensive since it is him calling her out for pretending to be one of these people. Just call her a liar. There are so many other words in this world, why use the one that evokes racism? Because the name itself serves as the whole argument why she exploited native american struggle. It is a 2017 version of political slander, confined to a brief tweet. It is a political tool.
It is also a racist political tool. If he wants to use it, he owns all of it. Don't defend shit, my man.
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On November 04 2017 00:41 TheTenthDoc wrote:
I am just impressed that Mohdoo has bought completely into the Warren has exploited Native Americans narrative when as far as I know all Brown came up with was it being listed on a diversity thing.
She isn't going around saying she's the first Native American congressperson or anything is she? If so that's another matter, but I don't think it was even brought up before Brown.
If she noted she was native american intentionally on some form, I am left to assume it was in hopes of getting special affirmative action treatment. Am I wrong on that? I admit I haven't looked into exactly what the form was etc. All I'm saying is that I think Trump's entire focus is delegitimizing Warren by trying to tarnish her brand and have people associate her with Pocahontas. If Warren is associated with Pocahontas, she is associated with lying. If a woman is associating with lying, western expectations of western women will greatly inhibit her ability to run in 2020.
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On November 04 2017 00:41 TheTenthDoc wrote:
I am just impressed that Mohdoo has bought completely into the Warren has exploited Native Americans narrative when as far as I know all Brown came up with was it being listed on a diversity thing.
She isn't going around saying she's the first Native American congressperson or anything is she? I don't think it was even brought up before Brown.
From my understanding she checked off a box on a form saying she has some level of Native American heritage and Harvard put in on profile or something. I don’t believe she ever proactively claimed to be native American beyond checking that box.
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On November 04 2017 00:32 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2017 00:30 WolfintheSheep wrote:
I think you're giving Trump far too much credit, Mohdoo. I don't think Trump sees native americans as equals. Don't get me wrong. I am just saying the entire purpose of using a native american name is to constantly remind people she exploited native american struggle for her own benefit. Show nested quote +On November 04 2017 00:31 Plansix wrote:On November 04 2017 00:29 Mohdoo wrote:On November 04 2017 00:23 GreenHorizons wrote:On November 04 2017 00:15 Mohdoo wrote:
In my eyes, the nickname Pocahontas isn't racist because Warren straight up isn't native american. She faked it, made it up. Trump, like a lot of people, probably assumed the Disney movie was made up, too. TBH, the nickname is good in my eyes. The idea of "she's not native american, because much like the disney character, it is made up" is pretty good except for the fact that pocahontas is based on a real person lol. Part of the reason I didn't use racist, because it's more about the disregard of indigenous people's opinions on the matter by pretty much everyone involved. I guess I don't see what makes it offensive since it is him calling her out for pretending to be one of these people. Just call her a liar. There are so many other words in this world, why use the one that evokes racism? Because the name itself serves as the whole argument why she exploited native american struggle. It is a 2017 version of political slander, confined to a brief tweet. It is a political tool.
it’s hard for me to get behind this thought, but i think i’ve worked myself there. it’s not racist. to be racist, he’d have to identify her by how she looks? and he’s not. he’s calling her pocahontas as an offensive jab at her allegedly pretending to have native american rooots.
it still feels racist. it’s definitely offensive. though even calling it slander is tenuous- if in fact she is lying.
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On November 04 2017 00:44 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2017 00:41 TheTenthDoc wrote:
I am just impressed that Mohdoo has bought completely into the Warren has exploited Native Americans narrative when as far as I know all Brown came up with was it being listed on a diversity thing.
She isn't going around saying she's the first Native American congressperson or anything is she? If so that's another matter, but I don't think it was even brought up before Brown. If she noted she was native american intentionally on some form, I am left to assume it was in hopes of getting special affirmative action treatment. Am I wrong on that? I admit I haven't looked into exactly what the form was etc. All I'm saying is that I think Trump's entire focus is delegitimizing Warren by trying to tarnish her brand and have people associate her with Pocahontas. If Warren is associated with Pocahontas, she is associated with lying. If a woman is associating with lying, western expectations of western women will greatly inhibit her ability to run in 2020.
Or he is a racist asshole who calls people names all the time? You give Trump way to much credit.
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Would be cool if these tweets didn't assume we have a law degree.
Is 15 a lot? is it very little?
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I'm pretty sure Trump believes Warren is on the level of that NAACP woman who fabricated a life story to go with an alternate color identity anyway.
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On November 04 2017 00:47 Gorsameth wrote:Would be cool if these tweets didn't assume we have a law degree. Is 15 a lot? is it very little?
It means there is a reasonable amount of evidence to go through. And witnesses to work through that evidence. But not a staggering amount. Most trials are done in 4-5 days.
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On November 04 2017 00:44 brian wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2017 00:32 Mohdoo wrote:On November 04 2017 00:30 WolfintheSheep wrote:
I think you're giving Trump far too much credit, Mohdoo. I don't think Trump sees native americans as equals. Don't get me wrong. I am just saying the entire purpose of using a native american name is to constantly remind people she exploited native american struggle for her own benefit. On November 04 2017 00:31 Plansix wrote:On November 04 2017 00:29 Mohdoo wrote:On November 04 2017 00:23 GreenHorizons wrote:On November 04 2017 00:15 Mohdoo wrote:
In my eyes, the nickname Pocahontas isn't racist because Warren straight up isn't native american. She faked it, made it up. Trump, like a lot of people, probably assumed the Disney movie was made up, too. TBH, the nickname is good in my eyes. The idea of "she's not native american, because much like the disney character, it is made up" is pretty good except for the fact that pocahontas is based on a real person lol. Part of the reason I didn't use racist, because it's more about the disregard of indigenous people's opinions on the matter by pretty much everyone involved. I guess I don't see what makes it offensive since it is him calling her out for pretending to be one of these people. Just call her a liar. There are so many other words in this world, why use the one that evokes racism? Because the name itself serves as the whole argument why she exploited native american struggle. It is a 2017 version of political slander, confined to a brief tweet. It is a political tool. it’s hard for me to get behind this thought, but i think i’ve worked myself there. it’s not racist. to be racist, he’d have to identify her by how she looks? and he’s not. he’s calling her pocahontas as an offensive jab at her allegedly pretending to have native american rooots. it still feels racist. it’s definitely offensive. though even calling it slander is tenuous- if in fact she is lying.
I suppose I would examine the offensiveness further and wonder if a better word would be "shocking". I was definitely shocked and initially offended. Then I was like "Why am I offended? What bad thing is he implying about native americans? how is he labeling them? how is he judging them?" and realized he wasn't doing any of those things. He is not saying anything at all about native americans. He is purely drawing attention to the fact that she checked a box in hopes of undeservingly getting special treatment. He's not saying "she's an animal, just like her other tribe members of the democratic party" or something like that. Because nothing is actually being said or implied about native americans, it is not offensive to me. It is just shocking. I made a :o face, but then kept thinking about it and realized it was totally focused on Warren.
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Well, it's not a good source for law news; tweets just don't have the length to answer things like that.
15 is a good amount of time. Typical for a major criminal trial; a bit on the long side perhaps.
less than is often invovled in white collar crime iirc.
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On November 04 2017 00:52 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2017 00:44 brian wrote:On November 04 2017 00:32 Mohdoo wrote:On November 04 2017 00:30 WolfintheSheep wrote:
I think you're giving Trump far too much credit, Mohdoo. I don't think Trump sees native americans as equals. Don't get me wrong. I am just saying the entire purpose of using a native american name is to constantly remind people she exploited native american struggle for her own benefit. On November 04 2017 00:31 Plansix wrote:On November 04 2017 00:29 Mohdoo wrote:On November 04 2017 00:23 GreenHorizons wrote:On November 04 2017 00:15 Mohdoo wrote:
In my eyes, the nickname Pocahontas isn't racist because Warren straight up isn't native american. She faked it, made it up. Trump, like a lot of people, probably assumed the Disney movie was made up, too. TBH, the nickname is good in my eyes. The idea of "she's not native american, because much like the disney character, it is made up" is pretty good except for the fact that pocahontas is based on a real person lol. Part of the reason I didn't use racist, because it's more about the disregard of indigenous people's opinions on the matter by pretty much everyone involved. I guess I don't see what makes it offensive since it is him calling her out for pretending to be one of these people. Just call her a liar. There are so many other words in this world, why use the one that evokes racism? Because the name itself serves as the whole argument why she exploited native american struggle. It is a 2017 version of political slander, confined to a brief tweet. It is a political tool. it’s hard for me to get behind this thought, but i think i’ve worked myself there. it’s not racist. to be racist, he’d have to identify her by how she looks? and he’s not. he’s calling her pocahontas as an offensive jab at her allegedly pretending to have native american rooots. it still feels racist. it’s definitely offensive. though even calling it slander is tenuous- if in fact she is lying. I suppose I would examine the offensiveness further and wonder if a better word would be "shocking". I was definitely shocked and initially offended. Then I was like "Why am I offended? What bad thing is he implying about native americans? how is he labeling them? how is he judging them?" and realized he wasn't doing any of those things. He is not saying anything at all about native americans. He is purely drawing attention to the fact that she checked a box in hopes of undeservingly getting special treatment. He's not saying "she's an animal, just like her other tribe members of the democratic party" or something like that. Because nothing is actually being said or implied about native americans, it is not offensive to me. It is just shocking. I made a :o face, but then kept thinking about it and realized it was totally focused on Warren.
I mean, unless you allow for that possibility that she actually partially identifies as having Native American heritage? Or ever did? In which case (and I'll quote someone from Cherokee Nation here) "Trump’s inability to discern the difference between Senator Warren and Pocahontas is no accident. Instead, his attack on her native identity reflects a dominant American culture that has made every effort to diminish native women to nothing other than a fantastical, oversexualized, Disney character."
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