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zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-27 20:07:30
August 27 2017 20:06 GMT
#171341
creation of some sort of flexible response force specialized in crowd control situations might be nice; but it'd be politically and practically much harder in the US. While the principles are the same, with the law varying by state, it'd be hard to have such a force cross state lines; and the friction between jurisdictions might well rise considerably from the kind of overrides that would be necessary to have such a thing. Bringing in the feds to do that tends to make the locals even more touchy, especially in the South.
Some parts of the country might just not have such things occur enough to justify such a force as well (where would they be based, how often would they be used, what would they do when they're not needed). And of course, the perennial issues with finding the budget for it, especially seeing how much state and local budgets are tight.

And of course it's not like there's no system for if things get really out of control; if that happens the state Governors can call in the states' National Guard. They just don't that preemptively for mere policing, they only do that if it really gets to full scale rioting. It's hard to predict how bad something is gonna turn out beforehand, and how much force you're gonna need on hand.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
August 27 2017 20:30 GMT
#171342
On August 28 2017 04:23 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
remember when we had a functioning state department?



Don't worry, Trump and his goons are handling diplomacy.
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
August 27 2017 20:36 GMT
#171343
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14127 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-27 20:44:00
August 27 2017 20:38 GMT
#171344
The reason why police from other areas don't come in as instantly is because of the question of who would pay for the cops and the legal jurisdiction questions, with some questions of the union contracts with one city and then that city negotiating with other cities to share police departments making things really complex not to mention technical issues of some cities radios legitimately not working with others (you think I'm kidding but the stories I've heard). Most of these get solved really really easily if the preparations are made ahead of time but if you need anything more then a handful of police it can get really hard to do anything.

It wouldn't really be hard to make a specific protest/riot reaction force politically especially if its done on the federal level as they consult with the permits for these events the problem would be the logistics/cost of what the force actually is. Are you going to hire enough people to cover the nation or are you going to ship them around the nation? The FBI can cross state lines really easily and has made things a lot better over the last hundred years by putting a lot of manpower and science on things but its a completly different model if you don't always have something for them to do.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-27 21:15:08
August 27 2017 20:44 GMT
#171345
On August 28 2017 05:36 Nevuk wrote:
https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/901903949246197760


Cause what the area needs is more law enforcement side tracked to protect this asshole instead of helping out the affected areas.

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23956 Posts
August 27 2017 21:18 GMT
#171346
On August 28 2017 05:44 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2017 05:36 Nevuk wrote:
https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/901903949246197760


Cause what the area needs is more law enforcement side tracked to protect this asshole instead of helping out the affected areas.

https://twitter.com/BuzzFeedNews/status/901915297078173696


But how are they going to get past the big beautiful wall Trump built and they paid for?
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 27 2017 21:23 GMT
#171347
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Wulfey_LA
Profile Joined April 2017
932 Posts
August 27 2017 21:29 GMT
#171348
On August 28 2017 05:30 Doodsmack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2017 04:23 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
remember when we had a functioning state department?

https://twitter.com/columlynch/status/901835335340097536


Don't worry, Trump and his goons are handling diplomacy.


Counterpoint: no they are not. Trump speaks for himself.

“I don’t believe anyone doubts the American people’s values or the commitment of the American government or the government’s agencies to advancing those values and defending those values,” Tillerson said on Sunday.

“And the President’s values?” Wallace pressed.

“The President speaks for himself,” Tillerson replied.


http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/tillerson-trump-charlottesville-response-speaks-for-himself
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 27 2017 21:30 GMT
#171349
Tillerson just threw the president under the bus.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 27 2017 22:58 GMT
#171350
It's apparently just halfway into the forecast.

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-27 23:29:14
August 27 2017 23:28 GMT
#171351


Of course. Of course. We need more military equipment in untrained.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35173 Posts
August 27 2017 23:29 GMT
#171352
Somebody has to guard the Nazis from violence on all sides.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 27 2017 23:32 GMT
#171353
And watch as they unload unto a crowd.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7393 Posts
August 27 2017 23:59 GMT
#171354
On August 28 2017 08:32 Plansix wrote:
And watch as they unload unto a crowd.


I'd put money it won't be into a nazi crowd.
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
Karis Vas Ryaar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States4396 Posts
August 28 2017 00:16 GMT
#171355
"I'm not agreeing with a lot of Virus's decisions but they are working" Tasteless. Ipl4 Losers Bracket Virus 2-1 Maru
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-28 00:19:14
August 28 2017 00:18 GMT
#171356
They should just bring him import tariffs and how him how much it will cost US consumers. Just cut through the bullshit and bring him the terrible policies he wants.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Karis Vas Ryaar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States4396 Posts
August 28 2017 00:32 GMT
#171357
"I'm not agreeing with a lot of Virus's decisions but they are working" Tasteless. Ipl4 Losers Bracket Virus 2-1 Maru
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-28 00:45:37
August 28 2017 00:44 GMT
#171358
On August 28 2017 08:28 Plansix wrote:
https://twitter.com/JasonLeopold/status/901912865057021952

Of course. Of course. We need more military equipment in untrained.

armored vehicles, large-caliber weapons, ammunition and other heavy equipment from being re-purposed from foreign battlefields to America's streets.

Nothing stops a riot like strafing people with .50cal

from the foreign battlefields to the streets sounds like some distopian scifi movie intro text
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Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7393 Posts
August 28 2017 00:49 GMT
#171359
+ Show Spoiler +
On August 28 2017 09:32 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
https://twitter.com/thehill/status/901963814773690369



This shit freaks me out, him trying to actually assert an agenda rather than just blowharding about worries me. He hasnt been able to do TOO much lasting damage yet, but if he starts feeling like he needs to feel powerful I fully believe he'd start wars and commit war crimes.
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
August 28 2017 01:07 GMT
#171360
Black-clad anarchists on Sunday stormed into what had been a largely peaceful Berkeley protest against hate and attacked at least five people, including the leader of a politically conservative group who canceled an event a day earlier in San Francisco amid fears of violence.

The group of more than 100 hooded protesters, with shields emblazoned with the words "no hate" and waving a flag identifying themselves as anarchists, busted through police lines, avoiding security checks by officers to take away possible weapons. Then the anarchists blended with a crowd of 2,000 largely peaceful protesters who turned up to demonstrate in a "Rally Against Hate" opposed to a much smaller gathering of right-wing protesters.

Berkeley police chief Andrew Greenwood defended how police handled the protest, saying they made a strategic decision to let the anarchists enter to avoid more violence.

Greenwood said "the potential use of force became very problematic" given the thousands of peaceful protesters in the park. Once anarchists arrived, it was clear there would not be dueling protests between left and right so he ordered his officers out of the park and allowed the anarchists to march in.

Chicago Tribune

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