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zlefin
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Nevuk
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On July 11 2017 10:56 Danglars wrote: Just to get this straight, you consider Stein and Johnson to be worse than Trump? Actually... yeah. As candidates, definitely worse. As an actual president I'd possibly put Stein a bit above him, but that's a really low bar. It's also a mystery as to what her actual beliefs are, as no fucking medical doctor actually is preaching that bullshit about healing crystals and pandering to anti-vaxxers and believing it, making everything she said while campaigning in doubt. I wouldn't be terribly surprised if she were actually elected and then revealed herself to be the head of the John Birch Society. Also, I mean, Gary "And what is an Aleppo?" Earl "I don't know the names of any foreign leaders. I guess this is an Aleppo moment?" Johnson accomplished the miracle of being less informed than Trump on world affairs and having economic positions that would be unintentionally worse than any amount of intentional, blatant thievery Trump could perform on the treasury. The only good thing would be legal weed, and we'd all be needing tons of it. | ||
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Danglars
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On July 11 2017 10:18 NewSunshine wrote: If certain conservatives stopped getting into useless pissing contests maybe we'd have more than two. I welcome a conservative who isn't just here to start shit and disappear when someone actually presents valid counterpoints. And if the rules weren't applied lopsidedly to one side of the political aisle regarding shitposting, you'd see probably five conservative/libertarian/republican-moderate posters and less of a liberal echo chamber (Read for context the feedback thread for examples. No, seriously, it's only 67 pages) As it stands, I'm better off saying enough so a reasonable reader can grasp the other side, and letting the final argument and counterargument stand. I'd be in here all day and night if all half dozen responders got their own unique continuation with sources and reasoning put in paragraphs. There's just too often 6-10 people responding to me, or me and another, and I don't get paid for this. We had a good time of it when the post-Trump banbets were still in effect. Now, the trolls will always get the last word and the substantive posters won't get quite as much of my time. All I gotta say is read and respond and don't go off all half cocked in 'lol fox conspiracy theory' (example) mode. | ||
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Adreme
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On July 11 2017 10:56 Danglars wrote: Just to get this straight, you consider Stein and Johnson to be worse than Trump? I do not know enough about those 2 but to give it perspective I consider Bernie just as bad from a policy perspective if only slightly less dishonest and far more cordial. Trump is an incompetent moron but its his bombastic style that gets him headlines but his plans make just as much sense as Bernies did and in the end its policy that governs the country not sideshows. | ||
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Danglars
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On July 11 2017 11:09 zlefin wrote: what does that have to do with US politics? Trump tweet. American company. Doctors in UK/judge say the baby should die, American doctors are willing to accept parent's money to use nucleoside treatment. The backdrop is the culture that privileges the state over parents, and how socialized medicine instills more of a culture of defaulting to the state over parents. See for example Krauthammer arguing the decision is correct to withdraw the feeding tube, but parents should be allowed to make the decision since they "love the child the most ... who have the most pure of motives, and in this case it's the parents." | ||
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zlefin
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On July 11 2017 11:22 Danglars wrote: Trump tweet. American company. Doctors in UK/judge say the baby should die, American doctors are willing to accept parent's money to use nucleoside treatment. the trump tweet is a while ago, and is no longer pertinent to establishing relevance, it was only a single tweet after all. American company isn't much of a basis; something, but not a lot. The people and most of the docs and the law is in UK; this is really a europe thread issue. no need to carry on the same discussion in two different threads, when one is clearly far more suited to it. | ||
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Plansix
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Wulfey_LA
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On July 10 2017 09:06 Wulfey_LA wrote: Watch the timing carefully. The Manafort/DonJR/Kusher meeting with the Russian Lawyer was at Trump Tower on June 9, 2016. You want your proof? 1 email between those magic dates. + Show Spoiler + Jullian Assange promises HRC emails Jun 14, 2016 http://www.salon.com/2016/06/14/wikileaks_will_release_new_clinton_emails_to_add_to_incriminating_evidence_julian_assange_says_in_big_year_ahead/ Russia poised to release HRC emails Jun 14, 2016 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3641838/Russia-poised-release-emails-Hillary-Clinton-s-private-server-report-claims.html Hey look, several hours later, here we have the email between the magic dates. What do you think the realistic chances are that DonJR maybe mentioned this to Kushner and Manafort, who were at the meeting? Hannity/Trump cultists are going to have a hard week of spinning this week. WASHINGTON — Before arranging a meeting with a Kremlin-connected Russian lawyer he believed would offer him compromising information about Hillary Clinton, Donald Trump Jr. was informed in an email that the material was part of a Russian government effort to aid his father’s candidacy, according to three people with knowledge of the email. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/10/us/politics/donald-trump-jr-russia-email-candidacy.html?_r=0 EDIT: LOL this spin. It is priceless. I can't wait until the usual suspects say it too. | ||
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Mohdoo
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Edit: Can we take a moment to appreciate the pages and pages of arguments saying Russia wasn't even involved? I can recall some juicy conversations. | ||
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Wulfey_LA
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On July 11 2017 11:55 Mohdoo wrote: "failing new york times" dropping a nuke Edit: Can we take a moment to appreciate the pages and pages of arguments saying Russia wasn't even involved? I can recall some juicy conversations. Yeah, but did all that bullshit and lies and motivated reasoning make liberals heads explode? Then it was worth it, right? | ||
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Mohdoo
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On July 11 2017 12:07 Wulfey_LA wrote: Yeah, but did all that bullshit and lies and motivated reasoning make liberals heads explode? Then it was worth it, right? Based denial gods literally triggering libtards! BTFO! rare pepe! am i doing it right? | ||
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Karis Vas Ryaar
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Karis Vas Ryaar
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The White House asked the White House Correspondents' Association to single out a reporter and criticize an article, WHCA President Jeff Mason said Monday evening. Mason's comments were made at a WHCA town hall where White House reporters pose questions to the WHCA board. "The White House has come to ask me specifically, asking me to intervene or criticize a news organization or a reporter… to release a statement criticizing a reporter’s story," Mason said, declining to elaborate further on when the ask was made or about what article. Mason said he declined to do so and that "we’ve made clear that’s not our role.” Asked after the panel if the request was part of a new White House team learning how the WHCA works, Mason said he wasn't sure but didn't think so and that the White House clearly thought it was WHCA role to publicly chastise the reporter. "I think it's a reflection of frustration they have with the media and they've used the relationship with the board sometimes to take that out, just as we have raised our concern and frustrations with them," Mason said. "Part of that relationship has been drawing boundaries on what we do and don't do." Mason said he didn't "equivocate," immediately declining the White House's request when they asked him to release a statement. http://www.politico.com/blogs/on-media/2017/07/10/trump-white-house-reporters-mason-240383 | ||
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Wulfey_LA
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And the Russians have tapes as well. EDIT: saving this one for later. I anticipate spinning along the lines of: but she was just some ordinary lawyer. No. She was the lead lawyer that represented the mobsters who killed Sergei Magnitsky of the Magnitsky Act. Team Trump put themselves in terrible jeopardy talking to her and they should have been terrified that she was would tape them with something incriminating and use it as blackmail. http://washingtonmonthly.com/2017/07/10/trumps-inner-circle-met-with-no-ordinary-russian-lawyer/#.WWRDtqlTQbM.twitter | ||
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Danglars
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On July 11 2017 11:55 Mohdoo wrote: "failing new york times" dropping a nuke Edit: Can we take a moment to appreciate the pages and pages of arguments saying Russia wasn't even involved? I can recall some juicy conversations. It's a blockbuster alright. And some actual substance behind collusion accusations. We'll have to see the email because something is fishy. It is unclear whether Mr. Goldstone had direct knowledge of the origin of the damaging material. One person who was briefed on the emails said it appeared that he was passing along information that had been passed through several others. So Goldston didn't know if it was true and didn't himself know where this damaging info came from? One person who didn't see the emails is guessing at what Goldstone might not have known? Still damaging as it stands and likely as further reporting comes out. | ||
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