EPTIt's a figure of speech.
US Politics Mega-thread - Page 8047
| Forum Index > Closed |
Read the rules in the OP before posting, please. In order to ensure that this thread continues to meet TL standards and follows the proper guidelines, we will be enforcing the rules in the OP more strictly. Be sure to give them a re-read to refresh your memory! The vast majority of you are contributing in a healthy way, keep it up! NOTE: When providing a source, explain why you feel it is relevant and what purpose it adds to the discussion if it's not obvious. Also take note that unsubstantiated tweets/posts meant only to rekindle old arguments can result in a mod action. | ||
KwarK
United States44440 Posts
It's a figure of speech. | ||
|
Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
| ||
|
Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On July 11 2017 03:35 Mohdoo wrote: You're using too broad a brush. Look at the specifics and you will understand why Comey's memos have not caused even the slightest problem for Comey. This isn't some spectacle where you need joe shmoe the walmart worker to trust him. This is a legal case and the people involved aren't going to change their mind because of a Facebook article. The average viewer can comprehend why leaking classified information matters. He deserves to be "gone after" and it's a political win for Trump in the wake of Comey himself criticizing Clinton for her mishandling of classified info. Also, articles you dislike aren't Facebook articles. | ||
|
Wulfey_LA
932 Posts
| ||
|
Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On July 11 2017 04:05 Danglars wrote: The average viewer can comprehend why leaking classified information matters. He deserves to be "gone after" and it's a political win for Trump in the wake of Comey himself criticizing Clinton for her mishandling of classified info. Also, articles you dislike aren't Facebook articles. What classified information did Comey leak and who did he leak it to? | ||
|
GreenHorizons
United States24505 Posts
I'm sure Democrats are already lining up excuses for why Democrats can't beat Republicans and none of them are Democrats fault. The two parties in this country are absolute trash and there needs to be a healthy amount of shame associated with supporting either one of them at this point. | ||
|
Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
Honestly it seems like the people focused on the Russia stuff come from the center, after their message fell flat. Leftists are focused on healthcare. | ||
|
Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On July 11 2017 03:40 Plansix wrote: Intent matters. Clinton’s intent was to set up a private server to avoid using government servers and the record keeping associated with them. Comey’s intent was to create contemporaneous memorandum as evidence to what he clearly felt was obstruction of justice. As he would be a primary witness in that case, classified information would naturally make its way into the memos. The claims he broke the same rules are just speculation. FBI rules matter for the treatment of classified info. It's very easy to read from The Hill story that four of the memos themselves contained classified markings as far as "secret" and "confidential" (although sometimes classification levels mean share with anyone regardless of clearance provided you don't have bad intent, from this thread.) Congressional investigators are already on the case, so this will all come out in time. | ||
|
TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
Wonder how long until Seth Rich comes up again. | ||
|
Acrofales
Spain18488 Posts
On July 11 2017 04:14 Danglars wrote: FBI rules matter for the treatment of classified info. It's very easy to read from The Hill story that four of the memos themselves contained classified markings as far as "secret" and "confidential" (although sometimes classification levels mean share with anyone regardless of clearance provided you don't have bad intent, from this thread.) Congressional investigators are already on the case, so this will all come out in time. He didn't share them. Now if he stored them in an obviously insecure location in an insecure manner (e.g. unencrypted on his home pc), he might be just as guilty as Clinton (not very guilty, but irreparably stupid). But prove it. | ||
|
Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On July 11 2017 04:14 Danglars wrote: FBI rules matter for the treatment of classified info. It's very easy to read from The Hill story that four of the memos themselves contained classified markings as far as "secret" and "confidential" (although sometimes classification levels mean share with anyone regardless of clearance provided you don't have bad intent, from this thread.) Congressional investigators are already on the case, so this will all come out in time. I already know the results: The error was real, it was an error and broke the rules. However, it was not criminal in nature and would not result in anything worse that termination from the FBI. It will be “that was bad, but we can’t fire someone from a job they no longer have” song all over again, but without the added fun of Comey running for office. Forgetting a classified label is not a criminal offense. Mishandling the documents is not a criminal offense. We don’t send people to jail for forgetting a folder filled with classified documents in the bathroom, we just fire them. Any journalist or conservative attempting(not saying you are doing so, to be clear) to argue otherwise is akin to calling for Trumps impeachment tomorrow. It is hysterical and not based in reality. | ||
|
ChristianS
United States3304 Posts
On July 11 2017 04:14 Danglars wrote: FBI rules matter for the treatment of classified info. It's very easy to read from The Hill story that four of the memos themselves contained classified markings as far as "secret" and "confidential" (although sometimes classification levels mean share with anyone regardless of clearance provided you don't have bad intent, from this thread.) Congressional investigators are already on the case, so this will all come out in time. This seems pretty obvious to me so I must be missing something (or you are). To my understanding Comey leaked a memo that was not classified. He also wrote other memos, some of which were classified. He didn't leak any of the classified ones. So what exactly is his transgression? Trump's claim that he leaked classified info appears to just be flatly false (theoretically he could probably be sued for defamation but that probably won't happen). | ||
|
GreenHorizons
United States24505 Posts
On July 11 2017 04:13 Nevuk wrote: Sanders held a rally in my state yesterday. Honestly it seems like the people focused on the Russia stuff come from the center, after their message fell flat. Leftists are focused on healthcare. Yeah Sanders is out on tour actually trying to change minds instead of constantly wailing about Russia, guess that's why Democrats are so emphatic he isn't oneofthem  | ||
|
NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
On July 11 2017 04:10 GreenHorizons wrote: When Democrats fall on their face in 2018 and probably 2020, remember they were too busy with the important Russia garbage to focus on a real strategy and all the Democrats ate it up. I'm sure Democrats are already lining up excuses for why Democrats can't beat Republicans and none of them are Democrats fault. The two parties in this country are absolute trash and there needs to be a healthy amount of shame associated with supporting either one of them at this point. The two parties are trash, but one of them has both majorities right now. When Trump, his family, and his administration, all the people in power right now, are being investigated for serious allegations, you don't get to pass that off as garbage. Other issues may be at play, but that doesn't allow you to sweep another issue under the rug. Two issues are allowed to exist, and be examined, simultaneously. I feel very strongly about healthcare too, but I'm aware that there is an ongoing investigation. | ||
|
Plansix
United States60190 Posts
But it is all going to come down to just having better candidates. Bernie can do that because of who he is and what he is known for. The Democrats just need a better bench. | ||
|
Wulfey_LA
932 Posts
Read what Richman says. He is the guy who go a memo from Comey. Richman got an unmarked memo. Richman never passed a memo to the times. Richman summarized it to get the story going. "No memo was given to me that was marked 'classified,'" Daniel Richman told CNN. "No memo was passed on to the Times." Richman did share the contents of one memo, he said, but "the substance of the memo passed on to the Times was not marked classified and to my knowledge remains unclassified." http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/10/politics/comey-lawyer-no-memos-given-to-me-were-marked-classified/index.html | ||
|
Amui
Canada10567 Posts
On July 11 2017 04:14 Danglars wrote: FBI rules matter for the treatment of classified info. It's very easy to read from The Hill story that four of the memos themselves contained classified markings as far as "secret" and "confidential" (although sometimes classification levels mean share with anyone regardless of clearance provided you don't have bad intent, from this thread.) Congressional investigators are already on the case, so this will all come out in time. You really need to get your head out of your ass and all the conspiracy shit. Leaking classified info is a crime. If the memo he leaked doesn't contain classified info (which Comey as FBI director should know), then the leak isn't criminal. The memo's were stored in a secure location (FBI network), so it's nowhere close to Hilary's email server. At worst Comey would be guilty of an administrative failure to properly label the memo's as classified, which could be cause for dismissal, but then again he's already been fired so that's done. | ||
|
GreenHorizons
United States24505 Posts
On July 11 2017 04:33 NewSunshine wrote: The two parties are trash, but one of them has both majorities right now. When Trump, his family, and his administration, all the people in power right now, are being investigated for serious allegations, you don't get to pass that off as garbage. Other issues may be at play, but that doesn't allow you to sweep another issue under the rug. Two issues are allowed to exist, and be examined, simultaneously. I feel very strongly about healthcare too, but I'm aware that there is an ongoing investigation. It's garbage because our system is designed to not hold them accountable unless it is the politically desirable thing to do. There is no larger principal at play like some sort of "justice", it's merely a political calculation and it would do everyone some good to keep that in mind. It's garbage because it's never been going to amount to anything and it's been distracting Democrats from actually having a plan beyond "Have you seen the other guys!?" On July 11 2017 04:36 Plansix wrote: I like Bernie’s plan to lead by example and draw big crowds in Republican strong holds. It is a much better tactic that trashing the entire democratic party. Now trashing the house leadership and DNC from 2016, that is a plan i support. But it is all going to come down to just having better candidates. Bernie can do that because of who he is and what he is known for. The Democrats just need a better bench. And Democrats can't because of who they are and what they are known for. Can't wave a wand at a bench and fix that, it's a structural and pervasive issue. EDIT: To be clear this nonsense from danglars about Comey is total noise and this is the more garbage we get by being so fixated on this crap. No one would care about refuting this Comey memo thing if they weren't so heavily invested in this Russia claptrap. | ||
|
zlefin
United States7689 Posts
| ||
|
Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On July 11 2017 04:45 GreenHorizons wrote: It's garbage because our system is designed to not hold them accountable unless it is the politically desirable thing to do. There is no larger principal at play like some sort of "justice", it's merely a political calculation and it would do everyone some good to keep that in mind. It's garbage because it's never been going to amount to anything and it's been distracting Democrats from actually having a plan beyond "Have you seen the other guys!?" To be fair, even before the Russia stuff the primary message being used by the Democrats, including Obama, was "Have you seen the other guys?". It's a big part of what lost them the 2016 election. At the same time I don't think the Russia investigation matters insofar as the Democratic party's inability to come up with a plan or message for 2018 is concerned. It probably doesn't help, but it's not what's preventing the party from getting shit done. | ||
| ||
