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aksfjh
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4853 Posts
December 20 2013 02:26 GMT
#14501
On December 20 2013 09:52 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
Breaking news - California didn't fuck up!!!

Show nested quote +
California signs up 53,000 for Obamacare in three days

Now that's a West Coast offense.

California's Obamacare insurance exchange enrolled more than 53,000 people in health-care plans in just the first three days of this week, a blistering pace that had officials crowing on Thursday.

"December is turning out to be an enormous month," said Peter Lee, head of the Covered California exchange.

Lee said the surprisingly strong level of enrollments—which comes just days before the key Dec. 23 enrollment deadline—puts the state on track to beat its original projection of signing up as many as 700,000 people in Obamacare insurance by the end of open enrollment in March.

From Oct. 1 until Nov. 30, a total of 109,296 people enrolled in private Obamacare plans sold on Covered California's website. ...
Link

We're all very proud of you!

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

Wait, you're telling me people procrastinated to buy health insurance, and then suddenly bought it all together? NO WAY!

Seriously, who didn't see this as the most likely scenario?
sluggaslamoo
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Australia4494 Posts
December 20 2013 03:10 GMT
#14502
On December 20 2013 04:25 Mercy13 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2013 04:21 xDaunt wrote:
On December 20 2013 03:58 RCMDVA wrote:
This guy?

[image loading]


That guy looks like such a tool. The sad thing is that advertising is supposed to be a reflection of the targeted demographic, which would include me (except I have health insurance).


Together with this Colorado ad I think they have just about every demographic covered now:

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


Edit: And this ad wins I think -




http://foxnewsinsider.com/2013/12/18/rap-hipster-ads-target-young-people-sign-obamacare

Fox news thought it was a real ad, ROFL.
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Mercy13
Profile Joined January 2011
United States718 Posts
December 20 2013 05:28 GMT
#14503
On December 20 2013 12:10 sluggaslamoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2013 04:25 Mercy13 wrote:
On December 20 2013 04:21 xDaunt wrote:
On December 20 2013 03:58 RCMDVA wrote:
This guy?

[image loading]


That guy looks like such a tool. The sad thing is that advertising is supposed to be a reflection of the targeted demographic, which would include me (except I have health insurance).


Together with this Colorado ad I think they have just about every demographic covered now:

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


Edit: And this ad wins I think - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GmY8KH03rM



http://foxnewsinsider.com/2013/12/18/rap-hipster-ads-target-young-people-sign-obamacare

Fox news thought it was a real ad, ROFL.


I think it is a real ad : )

A national organization called Get Covered is hoping to change young Americans' minds so they'll "Sign Up 'Cause It's Hot" by reaching out to them in language they can appreciate.

The group partnered with Covered California to launch a parody rap of the Snoop Dogg hit "Drop It Like It's Hot," featuring Obama impersonator Iman Crosson, to promote the law's provisions and direct them to the health care exchanges.

Source
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
December 20 2013 13:57 GMT
#14504
Yeah, NPR had a little snippet about that add too.
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
December 20 2013 21:08 GMT
#14505
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
sam!zdat
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5559 Posts
December 21 2013 03:53 GMT
#14506
On December 19 2013 01:18 Nyxisto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2013 16:01 sam!zdat wrote:
haha nyx buddy I'm quite sure that camille paglia is familiar with the changes that gender roles have undergone in the last century


Well then there's no reason for these straw man arguments all the time. Yeah obviously every feminist believes men are obsolete and every feminist hates men. That's how she makes it sound. She tries to dismantle feminism in the way environmentalists are criticized here in Europe. Everyone who cares a bit about the environment is obviously a total nut-bag who lives in the woods, and wants to forbid everything that's fun. That leads to a misperception of the actual movement, and with quite a lot of success.


I recommend that you go read some feminist theory. that is what paglia is responding to. paglia *is* a feminist, who amuses herself by terrorizing other feminists, and she's very useful in that respect, because frankly feminists could use some terrorizing. what you mean when you say "feminism" is a very weak-thesis sort of obvious thing which is only opposed by rural mouthbreathers, the people that paglia wants to argue against actually do often believe (or at least *say*) some very outrageous things (not to mention that, in the academy, feminism has morphed into a very degenerate sort of vague, poisonous orthodoxy which doesn't help anybody)
shikata ga nai
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
December 21 2013 04:07 GMT
#14507
On December 21 2013 12:53 sam!zdat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2013 01:18 Nyxisto wrote:
On December 18 2013 16:01 sam!zdat wrote:
haha nyx buddy I'm quite sure that camille paglia is familiar with the changes that gender roles have undergone in the last century


Well then there's no reason for these straw man arguments all the time. Yeah obviously every feminist believes men are obsolete and every feminist hates men. That's how she makes it sound. She tries to dismantle feminism in the way environmentalists are criticized here in Europe. Everyone who cares a bit about the environment is obviously a total nut-bag who lives in the woods, and wants to forbid everything that's fun. That leads to a misperception of the actual movement, and with quite a lot of success.


I recommend that you go read some feminist theory. that is what paglia is responding to. paglia *is* a feminist, who amuses herself by terrorizing other feminists, and she's very useful in that respect, because frankly feminists could use some terrorizing. what you mean when you say "feminism" is a very weak-thesis sort of obvious thing which is only opposed by rural mouthbreathers, the people that paglia wants to argue against actually do often believe (or at least *say*) some very outrageous things (not to mention that, in the academy, feminism has morphed into a very degenerate sort of vague, poisonous orthodoxy which doesn't help anybody)

Yeah, "poisonous orthodoxy" is precisely the right term. Did you happen to see what Paglia had to say about the Duck Dynasty mess? That's right on point, too. She's disgusted by the fascist political correctness of feminists, the GLBT crowd, and other "liberal" groups that she identifies with. I've always thought that the single biggest hypocrisy of those on the left is their purported "open mindedness." It's a complete farce for the most part.
Mindcrime
Profile Joined July 2004
United States6899 Posts
December 21 2013 04:17 GMT
#14508
Yeah, how dare those damn Stalinist liberals throw Phil Robertson in a gulag to die?

oh wait
That wasn't any act of God. That was an act of pure human fuckery.
Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-21 04:20:33
December 21 2013 04:17 GMT
#14509
On December 21 2013 13:07 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2013 12:53 sam!zdat wrote:
On December 19 2013 01:18 Nyxisto wrote:
On December 18 2013 16:01 sam!zdat wrote:
haha nyx buddy I'm quite sure that camille paglia is familiar with the changes that gender roles have undergone in the last century


Well then there's no reason for these straw man arguments all the time. Yeah obviously every feminist believes men are obsolete and every feminist hates men. That's how she makes it sound. She tries to dismantle feminism in the way environmentalists are criticized here in Europe. Everyone who cares a bit about the environment is obviously a total nut-bag who lives in the woods, and wants to forbid everything that's fun. That leads to a misperception of the actual movement, and with quite a lot of success.


I recommend that you go read some feminist theory. that is what paglia is responding to. paglia *is* a feminist, who amuses herself by terrorizing other feminists, and she's very useful in that respect, because frankly feminists could use some terrorizing. what you mean when you say "feminism" is a very weak-thesis sort of obvious thing which is only opposed by rural mouthbreathers, the people that paglia wants to argue against actually do often believe (or at least *say*) some very outrageous things (not to mention that, in the academy, feminism has morphed into a very degenerate sort of vague, poisonous orthodoxy which doesn't help anybody)

Yeah, "poisonous orthodoxy" is precisely the right term. Did you happen to see what Paglia had to say about the Duck Dynasty mess? That's right on point, too. She's disgusted by the fascist political correctness of feminists, the GLBT crowd, and other "liberal" groups that she identifies with. I've always thought that the single biggest hypocrisy of those on the left is their purported "open mindedness." It's a complete farce for the most part.

Ah xDaunt, after all this time, you're still not refining yourself. The left has a bunch of bigoted douchebags, just not as many as the right. Saying "the left" is guilty of hypocrisy because some of its factions are not open minded is amusing.
"My incompetence with power tools had been increasing exponentially over the course of 20 years spent inhaling experimental oven cleaners"
sam!zdat
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5559 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-21 04:51:55
December 21 2013 04:46 GMT
#14510
there's no such thing as the left and the right

there's just bigoted douchebags
shikata ga nai
Shiragaku
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Hong Kong4308 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-21 05:18:10
December 21 2013 05:13 GMT
#14511
Oh God, the argument of "tolerating intolerance" and that you are intolerant if you do not tolerate my bigotry. Here is my token from a guy who opposes most of the things I say but I enjoy quoting when convenient, just like xDaunt.

"Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them...We should therefore claim, in the name of tolerance, the right not to tolerate the intolerant." -Karl Popper

And please do not use the word fascist like that xDaunt. For one, it shows laziness, and two, the Duck Dynasty guys are not being attacked by law or authoritarianism, but rather by really pissed off consumers.
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
December 21 2013 05:32 GMT
#14512
Paglia on Duck Dynasty
“I speak with authority here, because I was openly gay before the ‘Stonewall rebellion,’ when it cost you something to be so. And I personally feel as a libertarian that people have the right to free thought and free speech,” Paglia, a professor at the University of the Arts in Philadelphia, said on Laura Ingraham’s radio show Thursday.

“In a democratic country, people have the right to be homophobic as well as they have the right to support homosexuality — as I one hundred percent do. If people are basing their views against gays on the Bible, again they have a right of religious freedom there,” she added. [...]

“To express yourself in a magazine in an interview — this is the level of punitive PC, utterly fascist, utterly Stalinist, OK, that my liberal colleagues in the Democratic Party and on college campuses have supported and promoted over the last several decades,” Paglia said. “This is the whole legacy of free speech 1960’s that have been lost by my own party.”
source

Telling it like it is, with an extra dose of ironic 1960s legacy and feminist cred to boot. You can be openly gay and still stand for the preservation of free speech and common sense, no matter what the loonies at GLAAD say. I get sick of some of these people that are all for tolerance when they're out of power, then on righteous crusades against hate speech when they gain power and influence.

Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-21 05:41:50
December 21 2013 05:35 GMT
#14513
On December 21 2013 13:07 xDaunt wrote:
Did you happen to see what Paglia had to say about the Duck Dynasty mess? That's right on point, too. She's disgusted by the fascist political correctness of feminists, the GLBT crowd, and other "liberal" groups that she identifies with. I've always thought that the single biggest hypocrisy of those on the left is their purported "open mindedness." It's a complete farce for the most part.


Great, now you're throwing homophobic crap into one pot with feminism.And where the hell is the fascism comparison coming from. The only things missing in your post are an example why Obama is basically Stalin(edit: oh, now it has been brought up) and why the Islam is going to destroy our civilization, then the Republican circlejerk would be complete.

If someone comes up to me and tells me that the earth is flat, and that's the level of sense you're making here, i don't have to tolerate it. I don't even have to take it seriously to be open minded. Being liberal doesn't implicate to tolerate everything people are saying even if it's utter nonsense. If Paglia is fine with being openly insulted by idiots, that's her thing. We can't expect that from everybody, especially non-adults who have to deal with more serious forms of discrimination than a well accomplished author.
sam!zdat
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5559 Posts
December 21 2013 05:39 GMT
#14514
On December 21 2013 14:35 Nyxisto wrote:
nd that's the level of sense you're making here, i don't have to tolerate it. I don't even have to take it seriously to be open minded.


yes you do
shikata ga nai
ComaDose
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada10357 Posts
December 21 2013 05:47 GMT
#14515
On December 21 2013 12:53 sam!zdat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2013 01:18 Nyxisto wrote:
On December 18 2013 16:01 sam!zdat wrote:
haha nyx buddy I'm quite sure that camille paglia is familiar with the changes that gender roles have undergone in the last century


Well then there's no reason for these straw man arguments all the time. Yeah obviously every feminist believes men are obsolete and every feminist hates men. That's how she makes it sound. She tries to dismantle feminism in the way environmentalists are criticized here in Europe. Everyone who cares a bit about the environment is obviously a total nut-bag who lives in the woods, and wants to forbid everything that's fun. That leads to a misperception of the actual movement, and with quite a lot of success.


I recommend that you go read some feminist theory. that is what paglia is responding to. paglia *is* a feminist, who amuses herself by terrorizing other feminists, and she's very useful in that respect, because frankly feminists could use some terrorizing. what you mean when you say "feminism" is a very weak-thesis sort of obvious thing which is only opposed by rural mouthbreathers, the people that paglia wants to argue against actually do often believe (or at least *say*) some very outrageous things (not to mention that, in the academy, feminism has morphed into a very degenerate sort of vague, poisonous orthodoxy which doesn't help anybody)

hey sam. long time observer. just sayin i been watchin u post a bit. just lettin u know you cant say a feminist is terroizing feminists without being ironic rite? when you say feminism it means anti oppresion towards women talkin bout strongest thesis tho. the mouthbreathers in the city too feminism helps half the population of the planet
BW pros training sc2 is like kiss making a dub step album.
sam!zdat
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5559 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-21 05:51:21
December 21 2013 05:49 GMT
#14516
On December 21 2013 14:47 ComaDose wrote:
just lettin u know you cant say a feminist is terroizing feminists without being ironic rite?


why not?

On December 21 2013 14:47 ComaDose wrote:
when you say feminism it means anti oppresion towards women talkin bout strongest thesis tho.


no no what you mean by feminism is what I mean by generic weak thesis stuff. like, yes, everyone is opposed to the oppression of women. that's mean and we don't like it. there are more difficult problems than that.
shikata ga nai
ComaDose
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada10357 Posts
December 21 2013 05:50 GMT
#14517
On December 21 2013 14:49 sam!zdat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2013 14:47 ComaDose wrote:
just lettin u know you cant say a feminist is terroizing feminists without being ironic rite?


why not?

i assume you are referencing the fact that some feminists are taking extreme measures that are undermining the more appropriate minded individuals that prescribe to the label?
BW pros training sc2 is like kiss making a dub step album.
sam!zdat
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5559 Posts
December 21 2013 05:51 GMT
#14518
there's not a club called "feminism" which you join and it means you think a certain set of things
shikata ga nai
ComaDose
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada10357 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-21 05:59:39
December 21 2013 05:52 GMT
#14519
you are correct but im not sure your paying attention to the original point
EDIT: just give equal oportunities for women
BW pros training sc2 is like kiss making a dub step album.
sam!zdat
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5559 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-21 06:02:14
December 21 2013 05:58 GMT
#14520
the original point is that you guys should stop feeling so smug in your PC belongingness because actually, it's true, 1) what most people walk around talking about as feminism is lazy, boring, stupid, and useless at best 2) many academic feminists say extreme, ridiculous stuff, because academics are paid to say extreme, ridiculous stuff, that's what we do 3) a lot of feminism is mostly about the problems of wealthy white women 4) the only time you should ever cease to take some opinion seriously is when it's yours and 5) the nervous, rabid enthusiasim with which we run around trying to prove to one another how progressive and un-prejudiced and pro-whatever we are is stifling of productive discourse and is probably the single greatest threat to intellectual culture today

when I say take something seriously, I DON'T mean you have to consider whether you might come to believe as the other person does - you can believe that something is wrong, even deeply repugnant, and still take it seriously. this is probably the most important skill anyone could ever develop in their intellectual career. and is precisely the virulence of shallow, vulgarized identity politics that encourages precisely the opposite - the chanting of slogans and waving of flags. it's disgusting
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