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On December 20 2013 09:52 JonnyBNoHo wrote:Breaking news - California didn't fuck up!!! Show nested quote +California signs up 53,000 for Obamacare in three days
Now that's a West Coast offense.
California's Obamacare insurance exchange enrolled more than 53,000 people in health-care plans in just the first three days of this week, a blistering pace that had officials crowing on Thursday.
"December is turning out to be an enormous month," said Peter Lee, head of the Covered California exchange.
Lee said the surprisingly strong level of enrollments—which comes just days before the key Dec. 23 enrollment deadline—puts the state on track to beat its original projection of signing up as many as 700,000 people in Obamacare insurance by the end of open enrollment in March.
From Oct. 1 until Nov. 30, a total of 109,296 people enrolled in private Obamacare plans sold on Covered California's website. ... LinkWe're all very proud of you! + Show Spoiler + Wait, you're telling me people procrastinated to buy health insurance, and then suddenly bought it all together? NO WAY! 
Seriously, who didn't see this as the most likely scenario?
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I think it is a real ad : )
A national organization called Get Covered is hoping to change young Americans' minds so they'll "Sign Up 'Cause It's Hot" by reaching out to them in language they can appreciate.
The group partnered with Covered California to launch a parody rap of the Snoop Dogg hit "Drop It Like It's Hot," featuring Obama impersonator Iman Crosson, to promote the law's provisions and direct them to the health care exchanges. Source
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Yeah, NPR had a little snippet about that add too.
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On December 19 2013 01:18 Nyxisto wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2013 16:01 sam!zdat wrote: haha nyx buddy I'm quite sure that camille paglia is familiar with the changes that gender roles have undergone in the last century Well then there's no reason for these straw man arguments all the time. Yeah obviously every feminist believes men are obsolete and every feminist hates men. That's how she makes it sound. She tries to dismantle feminism in the way environmentalists are criticized here in Europe. Everyone who cares a bit about the environment is obviously a total nut-bag who lives in the woods, and wants to forbid everything that's fun. That leads to a misperception of the actual movement, and with quite a lot of success.
I recommend that you go read some feminist theory. that is what paglia is responding to. paglia *is* a feminist, who amuses herself by terrorizing other feminists, and she's very useful in that respect, because frankly feminists could use some terrorizing. what you mean when you say "feminism" is a very weak-thesis sort of obvious thing which is only opposed by rural mouthbreathers, the people that paglia wants to argue against actually do often believe (or at least *say*) some very outrageous things (not to mention that, in the academy, feminism has morphed into a very degenerate sort of vague, poisonous orthodoxy which doesn't help anybody)
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On December 21 2013 12:53 sam!zdat wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2013 01:18 Nyxisto wrote:On December 18 2013 16:01 sam!zdat wrote: haha nyx buddy I'm quite sure that camille paglia is familiar with the changes that gender roles have undergone in the last century Well then there's no reason for these straw man arguments all the time. Yeah obviously every feminist believes men are obsolete and every feminist hates men. That's how she makes it sound. She tries to dismantle feminism in the way environmentalists are criticized here in Europe. Everyone who cares a bit about the environment is obviously a total nut-bag who lives in the woods, and wants to forbid everything that's fun. That leads to a misperception of the actual movement, and with quite a lot of success. I recommend that you go read some feminist theory. that is what paglia is responding to. paglia *is* a feminist, who amuses herself by terrorizing other feminists, and she's very useful in that respect, because frankly feminists could use some terrorizing. what you mean when you say "feminism" is a very weak-thesis sort of obvious thing which is only opposed by rural mouthbreathers, the people that paglia wants to argue against actually do often believe (or at least *say*) some very outrageous things (not to mention that, in the academy, feminism has morphed into a very degenerate sort of vague, poisonous orthodoxy which doesn't help anybody) Yeah, "poisonous orthodoxy" is precisely the right term. Did you happen to see what Paglia had to say about the Duck Dynasty mess? That's right on point, too. She's disgusted by the fascist political correctness of feminists, the GLBT crowd, and other "liberal" groups that she identifies with. I've always thought that the single biggest hypocrisy of those on the left is their purported "open mindedness." It's a complete farce for the most part.
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Yeah, how dare those damn Stalinist liberals throw Phil Robertson in a gulag to die?
oh wait
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On December 21 2013 13:07 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2013 12:53 sam!zdat wrote:On December 19 2013 01:18 Nyxisto wrote:On December 18 2013 16:01 sam!zdat wrote: haha nyx buddy I'm quite sure that camille paglia is familiar with the changes that gender roles have undergone in the last century Well then there's no reason for these straw man arguments all the time. Yeah obviously every feminist believes men are obsolete and every feminist hates men. That's how she makes it sound. She tries to dismantle feminism in the way environmentalists are criticized here in Europe. Everyone who cares a bit about the environment is obviously a total nut-bag who lives in the woods, and wants to forbid everything that's fun. That leads to a misperception of the actual movement, and with quite a lot of success. I recommend that you go read some feminist theory. that is what paglia is responding to. paglia *is* a feminist, who amuses herself by terrorizing other feminists, and she's very useful in that respect, because frankly feminists could use some terrorizing. what you mean when you say "feminism" is a very weak-thesis sort of obvious thing which is only opposed by rural mouthbreathers, the people that paglia wants to argue against actually do often believe (or at least *say*) some very outrageous things (not to mention that, in the academy, feminism has morphed into a very degenerate sort of vague, poisonous orthodoxy which doesn't help anybody) Yeah, "poisonous orthodoxy" is precisely the right term. Did you happen to see what Paglia had to say about the Duck Dynasty mess? That's right on point, too. She's disgusted by the fascist political correctness of feminists, the GLBT crowd, and other "liberal" groups that she identifies with. I've always thought that the single biggest hypocrisy of those on the left is their purported "open mindedness." It's a complete farce for the most part. Ah xDaunt, after all this time, you're still not refining yourself. The left has a bunch of bigoted douchebags, just not as many as the right. Saying "the left" is guilty of hypocrisy because some of its factions are not open minded is amusing.
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there's no such thing as the left and the right
there's just bigoted douchebags
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Oh God, the argument of "tolerating intolerance" and that you are intolerant if you do not tolerate my bigotry. Here is my token from a guy who opposes most of the things I say but I enjoy quoting when convenient, just like xDaunt.
"Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them...We should therefore claim, in the name of tolerance, the right not to tolerate the intolerant." -Karl Popper
And please do not use the word fascist like that xDaunt. For one, it shows laziness, and two, the Duck Dynasty guys are not being attacked by law or authoritarianism, but rather by really pissed off consumers.
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Paglia on Duck Dynasty
“I speak with authority here, because I was openly gay before the ‘Stonewall rebellion,’ when it cost you something to be so. And I personally feel as a libertarian that people have the right to free thought and free speech,” Paglia, a professor at the University of the Arts in Philadelphia, said on Laura Ingraham’s radio show Thursday.
“In a democratic country, people have the right to be homophobic as well as they have the right to support homosexuality — as I one hundred percent do. If people are basing their views against gays on the Bible, again they have a right of religious freedom there,” she added. [...]
“To express yourself in a magazine in an interview — this is the level of punitive PC, utterly fascist, utterly Stalinist, OK, that my liberal colleagues in the Democratic Party and on college campuses have supported and promoted over the last several decades,” Paglia said. “This is the whole legacy of free speech 1960’s that have been lost by my own party.” source
Telling it like it is, with an extra dose of ironic 1960s legacy and feminist cred to boot. You can be openly gay and still stand for the preservation of free speech and common sense, no matter what the loonies at GLAAD say. I get sick of some of these people that are all for tolerance when they're out of power, then on righteous crusades against hate speech when they gain power and influence.
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On December 21 2013 13:07 xDaunt wrote: Did you happen to see what Paglia had to say about the Duck Dynasty mess? That's right on point, too. She's disgusted by the fascist political correctness of feminists, the GLBT crowd, and other "liberal" groups that she identifies with. I've always thought that the single biggest hypocrisy of those on the left is their purported "open mindedness." It's a complete farce for the most part.
Great, now you're throwing homophobic crap into one pot with feminism.And where the hell is the fascism comparison coming from. The only things missing in your post are an example why Obama is basically Stalin(edit: oh, now it has been brought up) and why the Islam is going to destroy our civilization, then the Republican circlejerk would be complete.
If someone comes up to me and tells me that the earth is flat, and that's the level of sense you're making here, i don't have to tolerate it. I don't even have to take it seriously to be open minded. Being liberal doesn't implicate to tolerate everything people are saying even if it's utter nonsense. If Paglia is fine with being openly insulted by idiots, that's her thing. We can't expect that from everybody, especially non-adults who have to deal with more serious forms of discrimination than a well accomplished author.
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On December 21 2013 14:35 Nyxisto wrote: nd that's the level of sense you're making here, i don't have to tolerate it. I don't even have to take it seriously to be open minded.
yes you do
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On December 21 2013 12:53 sam!zdat wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2013 01:18 Nyxisto wrote:On December 18 2013 16:01 sam!zdat wrote: haha nyx buddy I'm quite sure that camille paglia is familiar with the changes that gender roles have undergone in the last century Well then there's no reason for these straw man arguments all the time. Yeah obviously every feminist believes men are obsolete and every feminist hates men. That's how she makes it sound. She tries to dismantle feminism in the way environmentalists are criticized here in Europe. Everyone who cares a bit about the environment is obviously a total nut-bag who lives in the woods, and wants to forbid everything that's fun. That leads to a misperception of the actual movement, and with quite a lot of success. I recommend that you go read some feminist theory. that is what paglia is responding to. paglia *is* a feminist, who amuses herself by terrorizing other feminists, and she's very useful in that respect, because frankly feminists could use some terrorizing. what you mean when you say "feminism" is a very weak-thesis sort of obvious thing which is only opposed by rural mouthbreathers, the people that paglia wants to argue against actually do often believe (or at least *say*) some very outrageous things (not to mention that, in the academy, feminism has morphed into a very degenerate sort of vague, poisonous orthodoxy which doesn't help anybody) hey sam. long time observer. just sayin i been watchin u post a bit. just lettin u know you cant say a feminist is terroizing feminists without being ironic rite? when you say feminism it means anti oppresion towards women talkin bout strongest thesis tho. the mouthbreathers in the city too feminism helps half the population of the planet
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On December 21 2013 14:47 ComaDose wrote: just lettin u know you cant say a feminist is terroizing feminists without being ironic rite?
why not?
On December 21 2013 14:47 ComaDose wrote: when you say feminism it means anti oppresion towards women talkin bout strongest thesis tho.
no no what you mean by feminism is what I mean by generic weak thesis stuff. like, yes, everyone is opposed to the oppression of women. that's mean and we don't like it. there are more difficult problems than that.
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On December 21 2013 14:49 sam!zdat wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2013 14:47 ComaDose wrote: just lettin u know you cant say a feminist is terroizing feminists without being ironic rite? why not? i assume you are referencing the fact that some feminists are taking extreme measures that are undermining the more appropriate minded individuals that prescribe to the label?
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there's not a club called "feminism" which you join and it means you think a certain set of things
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the original point is that you guys should stop feeling so smug in your PC belongingness because actually, it's true, 1) what most people walk around talking about as feminism is lazy, boring, stupid, and useless at best 2) many academic feminists say extreme, ridiculous stuff, because academics are paid to say extreme, ridiculous stuff, that's what we do 3) a lot of feminism is mostly about the problems of wealthy white women 4) the only time you should ever cease to take some opinion seriously is when it's yours and 5) the nervous, rabid enthusiasim with which we run around trying to prove to one another how progressive and un-prejudiced and pro-whatever we are is stifling of productive discourse and is probably the single greatest threat to intellectual culture today
when I say take something seriously, I DON'T mean you have to consider whether you might come to believe as the other person does - you can believe that something is wrong, even deeply repugnant, and still take it seriously. this is probably the most important skill anyone could ever develop in their intellectual career. and is precisely the virulence of shallow, vulgarized identity politics that encourages precisely the opposite - the chanting of slogans and waving of flags. it's disgusting
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