In order to ensure that this thread continues to meet TL standards and follows the proper guidelines, we will be enforcing the rules in the OP more strictly. Be sure to give them a re-read to refresh your memory! The vast majority of you are contributing in a healthy way, keep it up!
NOTE: When providing a source, explain why you feel it is relevant and what purpose it adds to the discussion if it's not obvious. Also take note that unsubstantiated tweets/posts meant only to rekindle old arguments can result in a mod action.
A Florida man's alleged plot to set off homemade explosives in several East Coast Target stores — part of what investigators said was a bizarre attempt to tank the company's stock — was foiled after someone he asked for help turned him in, prosecutors said Thursday.
Mark Charles Barnett, 48, of Ocala, was charged with "possession of a firearm (destructive device) affecting commerce by a previously convicted felon" after he offered an unidentified person $10,000 to put at least 10 explosives — disguised as food items — on the shelves of Target stores in New York, Florida and Virginia, according to a criminal complaint filed in U.S. District Court in Ocala.
"Barnett theorized that the company's stock value would plunge after the explosions, allowing him to cheaply acquire shares of Target stock before an eventual rebound in prices," the complaint said.
Barnett — a registered sex offender on probation for multiple felony kidnapping, sexual battery and grand theft counts — made the bombs at home and gave them to the individual, along with a bag of gloves, a mask and a license-plate cover, to complete the job, authorities alleged.
He showed the person 10 devices hidden in emptied-out containers of stuffing mix, breakfast bars and pasta, authorities said.
wouldn't it simply be easier and legal to wait for a company to have some sort of explosion/major disaster and then just buy stock there without trying to blow up Targer?
This is one of the more ridiculous non Trump related things I've heard in a while. That takes a special kind of mind to come up with.
You guys hear about the white supremacist who was looking to be Dylann Roof 2.0?
A Conway man with a criminal record and white supremacist ties is accused of buying a pistol from an undercover FBI operative so he could launch an attack "in the spirit of Dylann Roof," according to court documents.
FBI agents arrested 29-year-old Benjamin Thomas Samuel McDowell on Wednesday, and he was booked into the J. Reuben Long Detention Center in Horry County. He faces a federal count of felon in possession of a firearm or ammunition.
McDowell invoked the name of the Emanuel AME Church shooter in describing his desire to commit an attack on "non-whites" at an unknown location in another county, authorities said. He told the undercover operative he wanted to do something on a "big scale" and write on the building "in the spirit of Dylann Roof," according to the criminal complaint filed against him.
Like Roof, McDowell reportedly expressed frustration with other white supremacists who were unwilling to take action against "ungodly people" who he believed were out to the destroy the white race, the complaint stated.
"I'm wanting to do this s----, and I got the heart to do this," the complaint quotes McDowell as saying. "I seen what Dylann Roof did and in my heart I reckon I got a little bit of hatred and I...I want to do that s----. Like, I got desire ... not for nobody else .. .it just... I want something where I can say, 'I f---ing did that' ... me personally."
wait for a company to have some sort of explosion/major disaster
really dude, hoping for some divine intervention now?; is that a new leftie feature?. (are people praying for deliverance from Trump?; is praying in already!?)
playing both sides is how you get things done nowadays.
On February 17 2017 14:59 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote: this isn't so much important as completely insane
A Florida man's alleged plot to set off homemade explosives in several East Coast Target stores — part of what investigators said was a bizarre attempt to tank the company's stock — was foiled after someone he asked for help turned him in, prosecutors said Thursday.
Mark Charles Barnett, 48, of Ocala, was charged with "possession of a firearm (destructive device) affecting commerce by a previously convicted felon" after he offered an unidentified person $10,000 to put at least 10 explosives — disguised as food items — on the shelves of Target stores in New York, Florida and Virginia, according to a criminal complaint filed in U.S. District Court in Ocala.
"Barnett theorized that the company's stock value would plunge after the explosions, allowing him to cheaply acquire shares of Target stock before an eventual rebound in prices," the complaint said.
Barnett — a registered sex offender on probation for multiple felony kidnapping, sexual battery and grand theft counts — made the bombs at home and gave them to the individual, along with a bag of gloves, a mask and a license-plate cover, to complete the job, authorities alleged.
He showed the person 10 devices hidden in emptied-out containers of stuffing mix, breakfast bars and pasta, authorities said.
wouldn't it simply be easier and legal to wait for a company to have some sort of explosion/major disaster and then just buy stock there without trying to blow up Targer?
This is one of the more ridiculous non Trump related things I've heard in a while. That takes a special kind of mind to come up with.
You guys hear about the white supremacist who was looking to be Dylann Roof 2.0?
A Conway man with a criminal record and white supremacist ties is accused of buying a pistol from an undercover FBI operative so he could launch an attack "in the spirit of Dylann Roof," according to court documents.
FBI agents arrested 29-year-old Benjamin Thomas Samuel McDowell on Wednesday, and he was booked into the J. Reuben Long Detention Center in Horry County. He faces a federal count of felon in possession of a firearm or ammunition.
McDowell invoked the name of the Emanuel AME Church shooter in describing his desire to commit an attack on "non-whites" at an unknown location in another county, authorities said. He told the undercover operative he wanted to do something on a "big scale" and write on the building "in the spirit of Dylann Roof," according to the criminal complaint filed against him.
Like Roof, McDowell reportedly expressed frustration with other white supremacists who were unwilling to take action against "ungodly people" who he believed were out to the destroy the white race, the complaint stated.
"I'm wanting to do this s----, and I got the heart to do this," the complaint quotes McDowell as saying. "I seen what Dylann Roof did and in my heart I reckon I got a little bit of hatred and I...I want to do that s----. Like, I got desire ... not for nobody else .. .it just... I want something where I can say, 'I f---ing did that' ... me personally."
wait for a company to have some sort of explosion/major disaster
really dude, hoping for some divine intervention now?; is that a new leftie feature?. (are people praying for deliverance from Trump?; is praying in already!?)
playing both sides is how you get things done nowadays.
He wasn't talking about Trump or politics. The article was about one criminal's failed attempt to use violence to affect the stock price of a supermarket.
wait for a company to have some sort of explosion/major disaster
really dude, hoping for some divine intervention now?; is that a new leftie feature?. (are people praying for deliverance from Trump?; is praying in already!?)
playing both sides is how you get things done nowadays.
He wasn't talking about Trump or politics. The article was about one criminal's failed attempt to use violence to affect the stock price of a supermarket.
obviously, but i've never seen that argument before("wait until what you hope for, happens") so why not apply it to everything?.
if he said it works, who knows, maybe it's the next best thing.
wait for a company to have some sort of explosion/major disaster
really dude, hoping for some divine intervention now?; is that a new leftie feature?. (are people praying for deliverance from Trump?; is praying in already!?)
playing both sides is how you get things done nowadays.
He wasn't talking about Trump or politics. The article was about one criminal's failed attempt to use violence to affect the stock price of a supermarket.
obviously, but i've never seen that argument before("wait until what you hope for, happens") so why not apply it to everything?.
if he said it works, who knows, maybe it's the next best thing.
I didn't think there was supposed to be an underlying political subtext to that statement, but you're free to add one.
And realistically, gaming the stock market is all about tracking events both good and bad anyways.
I was more talking specifically about how terrible and useless his plan was.
1) blow up target 2) buy target stock 3) profit.
I may have worded it badly but I was thinking more along the lines of the vw scandal/bp spill (although I don't know if vw's stock actually fell for example). Theres no reason he couldn't just wait for a major scandal/problem and buy stock following it. But instead he apparently decided to make his own explosives and try to have someone use them. Unless he was bizarrely obsessed with owning Target stock it makes 0 sense.
Companies are always going to have things go horribly wrong that would cause their stock to tank. I was mainly trying to say that even from his perspective his current plan is terrible. Things do sometimes explode on their own. Silos for example, space rockets(although those don't really affect stock prices.) wikipedia says for example Hurricane sandy caused a building to explode. I imagine that hurt the companies stock prices. nothing political was intended. If theres one thing that is true no matter the president or world politics it's that a company somewhere is going to mess up horribly. Law of large numbers and the like. I was not trying to imply that things are going to get to the point where companies are being blown up or anything.
wait for a company to have some sort of explosion/major disaster
really dude, hoping for some divine intervention now?; is that a new leftie feature?. (are people praying for deliverance from Trump?; is praying in already!?)
playing both sides is how you get things done nowadays.
He wasn't talking about Trump or politics. The article was about one criminal's failed attempt to use violence to affect the stock price of a supermarket.
obviously, but i've never seen that argument before("wait until what you hope for, happens") so why not apply it to everything?.
if he said it works, who knows, maybe it's the next best thing.
I didn't think there was supposed to be an underlying political subtext to that statement, but you're free to add one.
And realistically, gaming the stock market is all about tracking events both good and bad anyways.
that is what people at the top(the ones i mentioned earlier, the ones driving evens, the ones playing both sides) call sloppy seconds. it's the old trickle down theory/economics at its finest.
wait for a company to have some sort of explosion/major disaster
really dude, hoping for some divine intervention now?; is that a new leftie feature?. (are people praying for deliverance from Trump?; is praying in already!?)
playing both sides is how you get things done nowadays.
He wasn't talking about Trump or politics. The article was about one criminal's failed attempt to use violence to affect the stock price of a supermarket.
obviously, but i've never seen that argument before("wait until what you hope for, happens") so why not apply it to everything?.
if he said it works, who knows, maybe it's the next best thing.
I didn't think there was supposed to be an underlying political subtext to that statement, but you're free to add one.
And realistically, gaming the stock market is all about tracking events both good and bad anyways.
that is what people at the top(the ones i mentioned earlier, the ones driving evens, the ones playing both sides) call sloppy seconds. it's the old trickle down theory/economics at its finest.
What on earth are you talking about? Do you know how stock markets work?
On February 17 2017 14:59 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote: this isn't so much important as completely insane
A Florida man's alleged plot to set off homemade explosives in several East Coast Target stores — part of what investigators said was a bizarre attempt to tank the company's stock — was foiled after someone he asked for help turned him in, prosecutors said Thursday.
Mark Charles Barnett, 48, of Ocala, was charged with "possession of a firearm (destructive device) affecting commerce by a previously convicted felon" after he offered an unidentified person $10,000 to put at least 10 explosives — disguised as food items — on the shelves of Target stores in New York, Florida and Virginia, according to a criminal complaint filed in U.S. District Court in Ocala.
"Barnett theorized that the company's stock value would plunge after the explosions, allowing him to cheaply acquire shares of Target stock before an eventual rebound in prices," the complaint said.
Barnett — a registered sex offender on probation for multiple felony kidnapping, sexual battery and grand theft counts — made the bombs at home and gave them to the individual, along with a bag of gloves, a mask and a license-plate cover, to complete the job, authorities alleged.
He showed the person 10 devices hidden in emptied-out containers of stuffing mix, breakfast bars and pasta, authorities said.
wouldn't it simply be easier and legal to wait for a company to have some sort of explosion/major disaster and then just buy stock there without trying to blow up Targer?
This is one of the more ridiculous non Trump related things I've heard in a while. That takes a special kind of mind to come up with.
You guys hear about the white supremacist who was looking to be Dylann Roof 2.0?
A Conway man with a criminal record and white supremacist ties is accused of buying a pistol from an undercover FBI operative so he could launch an attack "in the spirit of Dylann Roof," according to court documents.
FBI agents arrested 29-year-old Benjamin Thomas Samuel McDowell on Wednesday, and he was booked into the J. Reuben Long Detention Center in Horry County. He faces a federal count of felon in possession of a firearm or ammunition.
McDowell invoked the name of the Emanuel AME Church shooter in describing his desire to commit an attack on "non-whites" at an unknown location in another county, authorities said. He told the undercover operative he wanted to do something on a "big scale" and write on the building "in the spirit of Dylann Roof," according to the criminal complaint filed against him.
Like Roof, McDowell reportedly expressed frustration with other white supremacists who were unwilling to take action against "ungodly people" who he believed were out to the destroy the white race, the complaint stated.
"I'm wanting to do this s----, and I got the heart to do this," the complaint quotes McDowell as saying. "I seen what Dylann Roof did and in my heart I reckon I got a little bit of hatred and I...I want to do that s----. Like, I got desire ... not for nobody else .. .it just... I want something where I can say, 'I f---ing did that' ... me personally."
Are we ever going to take mental health seriously in this country or we just going to let whackos run loose and cross our fingers?
Of course it's not going to be labelled terrrorism and no one will start getting scared of right wing extremists.
He'll surely be labeled as just another lone wolf that we should sympathize with because he's the real victim here... After all, he was probably subjected to a few seconds of Spanish after accidentally pressing "2" during an automated phone message! The horror!
The broader subject of mental health/ cognitive stability (especially addressing depression properly, not trying to dismiss bullying with "just man up", and finding ways to run interference on hate groups/ hateful people through education and experience) is one of the biggest issues we have in our country and it definitely doesn't get the acknowledgement, national dialogue, and serious analysis that it so desperately needs.
Sadly, we'll be largely unable to confront our collective mental health problem until our healthcare system appropriately encourages access to early detection/treatment services among populations most at psychiatric risk, namely the poor, disabled, and children. Even with Obamacare, the "I don't want to go to go the doctor's because I don't know how much it'll cost" risk aversion among at-risk populations is still a big problem, and I don't see that getting any better any time soon.
this is a problem with market based systems of public provision in general. the consumers gotta develop knowledge, participation etc. takes a while even in ideal circumstances.
in mental health the problem is obviously much worse because of impaired autonomy etc
Heavy rain has returned to California with the first in a fresh series of storms moving across the northern half of the state while the south awaited a storm that forecasters said could be the strongest in years if not decades.
Rain, accompanied by heavy winds, pelted the San Francisco Bay area, where Marin and Napa counties logged up to 2.2cm (1in) of precipitation. San Francisco recorded 4.24cm (1.67in) for the day, according to the National Weather Service.
Precipitation also moved down the central coast counties, but forecasters said it was only a light precursor to a dangerous atmospheric river taking aim at southern California.
The plume of moisture stretching far out over the Pacific was expected to arrive early Friday and last through the day and into Saturday.
Flood warnings for the period were in effect for rivers and creeks up and down the state. High wind warnings were issued for mountains and valleys, which could see gusts to 70 mph.
“The storm looks to be the strongest storm to hit southwest California this season,” the National Weather Service office for the Los Angeles region wrote. “It is likely the strongest within the last six years and possibly even as far back as December 2004 or January 1995.”
Rainfall predictions ranged from 4.4cm (2in) to 13.2cm (6in) on the coast and from 11-22cm in foothills and coastal mountain slopes.
With soil already saturated from significant rains this winter, forecasters warned of potential for flash floods and debris flows, especially near areas left barren by wildfires.
The city of Duarte, in the foothills of the San Gabriel mountains east of Los Angeles, ordered evacuation of 180 homes below a burn scar by 7am Friday.
Powerful winds capable of downing trees and powerlines were also expected, along with heavy snow in southern California’s mountains.
Cal Poly, the state university in San Luis Obispo, was keeping an eye on an unstable hillside near a dormitory housing 275 students. A protective barrier was set up and some trees have been removed but students were being told to be ready to evacuate if the hillside gives way during the storm.
Santa Anita park near Pasadena cancelled all its horse races for Friday, and golfers at the PGA tour’s annual stop at Riviera Country Club were unlikely to get more than a few holes in amid the storm.
Pasadena cancelled Saturday’s annual Black History Month parade, citing public safety concerns including possible lightning strikes.
The system is among a series that forecasters said will impact California into next week.
On February 17 2017 22:06 iPlaY.NettleS wrote: As opposed to a Sally Boynton Brown + Show Spoiler +
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDOdcsh435Q
If we're gonna "blast white people" I'm gonna "blast some Islam" for the heck of it. Although, I suppose this also "blasts white people" considering it is basically hating on the "overtolerant left":
EPT
