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zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-05 23:58:38
November 05 2016 23:55 GMT
#118701
Indeed, it is an obviously bad trash site. I see no reason to use such for anything other than partisanship, or laughing at it's stupidity.
sadly misinformation gets echoed around all too often; and there's no good way to prevent the rapid spread of misinformation.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
ZeaL.
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5955 Posts
November 05 2016 23:57 GMT
#118702
On November 06 2016 08:54 Nyxisto wrote:
I cannot fathom how someone can see this website and for a second think that this is 'interesting'. 50% in Spain and Portugal and 70% in Germany? lmao

Well if you like Trump it's interesting in that it makes you feel better about yourself.

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Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-06 00:09:20
November 06 2016 00:06 GMT
#118703
On November 06 2016 08:55 zlefin wrote:
Indeed, it is an obviously bad trash site. I see no reason to use such for anything other than partisanship, or laughing at it's stupidity.
sadly misinformation gets echoed around all too often; and there's no good way to prevent the rapid spread of misinformation.


It's a good map to figure out the ratio of online trolls to legit voters. In the US it's fairly competitive because the site has a lot of visibility and the trolls get drowned out, In Europe it's only people voting who live on 4chan and alt right sides, and in Asia it gets a little more representative again because the trolls apparently haven't yet reached across the language barrier

Nonetheless in actual representative polls Trump loses everywhere but in Russia and China.
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
November 06 2016 00:06 GMT
#118704
On November 06 2016 08:57 ZeaL. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2016 08:54 Nyxisto wrote:
I cannot fathom how someone can see this website and for a second think that this is 'interesting'. 50% in Spain and Portugal and 70% in Germany? lmao

Well if you like Trump it's interesting in that it makes you feel better about yourself.


Which is important when you don't have policy or governance reasoning behind your pick.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-06 00:22:13
November 06 2016 00:20 GMT
#118705




Trump's camp gets mad civil employees stay late to make sure everyone can cast their ballot. The only thing that makes me more angry than voter suppression is when people bitch about the votes they couldn't suppress.
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Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20254 Posts
November 06 2016 00:22 GMT
#118706
I would say "I just want this to be over" but you know even if he were to get curb stomped in the election it is not over. He has opened and emboldened Pandora's box of fuckery.
Never Knows Best.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
November 06 2016 00:29 GMT
#118707
I feel that the phrase "rigged election" is going to become synonymous with "they let brown people vote" in the next decade or so.
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ChristianS
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3188 Posts
November 06 2016 00:32 GMT
#118708
So there's some reports that early voting might indicate Democrats will win Nevada. I think most people figured Nevada was in the bag for Trump, based partly on the fact that it looked competitive when the race was more Clinton-favored, and it's tightened since then.

But this conclusion was based on a few assumptions which might be questionable, notably:

a) the polls accurately represent the race in Nevada, or might even be a little Democrat-leaning,
b) races tend to move in parallel, so if someone's gaining somewhere, they're probably gaining everywhere else too.

There seems to be a decent argument for polls being somewhat inaccurate in Nevada specifically (remember Harry Reid's last reelection?). It also seems like there's a reasonable argument for Clinton support in such a diverse state as Nevada being somewhat less elastic than a whiter state like NH. Models like 538's don't account for early voting, as well, so it's possible even if the race has tightened that Hillary already banked a big enough lead before that to make up for losses from the FBI stuff.
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." -Robert J. Hanlon
kwizach
Profile Joined June 2011
3658 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-06 00:34:35
November 06 2016 00:32 GMT
#118709
On November 06 2016 08:42 NukeD wrote:
Interesting link on worldwide Trump v Hillary polls:

worldwide.vote

...or, if you want to see more scientific results, Clinton wins every country except Russia: link.

edit: my bad, Nyxisto had already mentioned it :-)
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions." -- Stephen Colbert
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-06 00:46:59
November 06 2016 00:44 GMT
#118710
https://twitter.com/samsteinhp/status/795048947442216961

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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-06 00:50:33
November 06 2016 00:49 GMT
#118711
Whines about a rigged election. Then whine about not being able to rig the election.

We are going to start hearing about hispanics voting more than once either tomorrow or Monday. Guaranteed.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Belisarius
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia6228 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-06 00:54:13
November 06 2016 00:53 GMT
#118712
EDIT: nevermind all the quotes are from GOP people anyway
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States13909 Posts
November 06 2016 00:55 GMT
#118713
I think a High school education or a GED should be a requirement to vote. But at the same time you should be signed up to vote when you get that GED or high school diploma.

the next few years are going to be rocky as hell if trump wins but I don't think he will completely ruin the nation or cause a civil war.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
November 06 2016 01:05 GMT
#118714
On November 06 2016 09:55 Sermokala wrote:
I think a High school education or a GED should be a requirement to vote. But at the same time you should be signed up to vote when you get that GED or high school diploma.

the next few years are going to be rocky as hell if trump wins but I don't think he will completely ruin the nation or cause a civil war.

I'm not sure that'd be constitutional, I'd be inclined to guess not.
I estimate the net long term damage of a Trump presidency to be 0.5% of gdp total (including the effects of institutional damage, some of which may take some time to show). of course such estimates are incredibly unreliable. and would be hard to detect given annual gdp growth is around 2%
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
jello_biafra
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United Kingdom6635 Posts
November 06 2016 01:15 GMT
#118715
Someone may have just tried to kill Trump...not 100% sure what just happened there though
The road to hell is paved with good intentions | aka Probert[PaiN] @ iccup / godlikeparagon @ twitch | my BW stream: http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/jello_biafra
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
November 06 2016 01:21 GMT
#118716
On November 06 2016 10:15 jello_biafra wrote:
Someone may have just tried to kill Trump...not 100% sure what just happened there though

It sounds like a fight in the crowd caused the SS to rush him off the stage.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-06 01:23:31
November 06 2016 01:21 GMT
#118717
looking at CNN, looks like trump's fine, the guy is in custody and being led off. good.
we probably won't know what happened in much detail for a day or two. as the secret service is gonna be questioning the guy awhile, and won't release much detail until they know whether there's more related threats.
indeed we're not even sure it's an attack on trump. Could just be something else happened and the SS took him off stage as a precaution.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
jello_biafra
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United Kingdom6635 Posts
November 06 2016 01:24 GMT
#118718
The road to hell is paved with good intentions | aka Probert[PaiN] @ iccup / godlikeparagon @ twitch | my BW stream: http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/jello_biafra
DemigodcelpH
Profile Joined August 2011
1138 Posts
November 06 2016 01:27 GMT
#118719
On November 05 2016 12:28 plasmidghost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2016 11:36 DemigodcelpH wrote:
On November 05 2016 11:08 biology]major wrote:
On November 05 2016 10:59 plasmidghost wrote:
These polls are really stressing me out. I don't like Hillary, but her being president is without a doubt going to be a lot more reasonable than Trump as president. If she loses this, I think I'll start campaigning for the Democrats for Congress in 2018
Wait, I just realized now that Trump is to the Democrats what Obama was to the Republicans, now I can kind of understand why they tried everything they could to stop anything he wanted


Trump winning is nothing short of a miracle, he was the underdog in every single facet from the very beginning. its disgusting how imbalanced this race has been so far. Electoral map, money, establishment, surrogates, celebrities, media all against trump. I respect someone who can win in those circumstances, and what I do not respect is how hrc can lose with all those adv.

Not true at all. Trump is always graded on a curve. Hillary is not. The media is the only reason someone as ignorant as Trump is competitive to begin with, and they have given him hundreds of millions of dollars of free coverage. And among all of that free coverage he actually gets less negative coverage than Hillary despite, ironically, being the vastly more negative candidate. Funny how that works. Hillary sneezes and it's a scandal. Trump talks about how he could shoot someone and they barely cover it.

Oh and Trump is not anti-establishment. He's a corrupt media executive billionaire (or some would say "billionaire") who has the entire GOP war-chest behind it.

That last statement is something I've always wondered about, why people don't see this. You can argue that Hillary is controlled by her corporate donors, but Trump is the establishment that funds the candidates. If she's the puppet, he's the puppet master


Trump supporters tend to only see what they want to see. He was right when he said he could shoot someone and they'd still vote for him. That's the scary part about it all.
Yoav
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1874 Posts
November 06 2016 01:30 GMT
#118720
On November 06 2016 09:55 Sermokala wrote:
I think a High school education or a GED should be a requirement to vote. But at the same time you should be signed up to vote when you get that GED or high school diploma.

the next few years are going to be rocky as hell if trump wins but I don't think he will completely ruin the nation or cause a civil war.


Honestly, I think we should give everyone the right to vote as high schoolers. Maybe at age 16. And have every school year a big point made of a field trip to the polls, where everyone eligible gets to vote and gets in the habit. That way we would have a less abysmal participation rate by the young, which leads to policies that favor the old.
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