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On October 01 2016 07:59 biology]major wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2016 07:49 zlefin wrote:On October 01 2016 06:36 biology]major wrote:On October 01 2016 06:29 Broetchenholer wrote:
I find it fascinating that the defense Trump-supporters in this thread go to when he insults women is that he insults everyone else as well. It was argued to death that this does not make it less mysogenist, but that they would rather vote for someone that is an asshole to everyone speaks volumes. Don't worry guys, he won't just insult Mexicans, he will also insult Europeans and Muslims and especially China! That is a good thing! The man has no policies apart from vague promises of greatness, so you don't want him for those in the white house. You are also not voting for him because of his political experience, even though he claims he is the only one that can fix it. But not because he is corrupt. So that only leaves character, right? But you just claimed he is an asshole. So do you just want to see the world burn? He is not Hillary Clinton, i give you that, but then again a baby is not Hillary Clinton and you wouldn't vote for the baby.
Just own that he is the worst candidate ever, do not defend his stupidity and say you are still voting for him because you want the world to burn. I would without a doubt vote for the baby. The only way I would change my vote from the republican ticket is if someone more sociopathic than Clinton emerged, at which point I would just not vote. Trump represents my values, he has a reckless and asshole tone but that doesn't bother me. you are saying Clinton is sociopathic, correct? and if so, what do you mean by that? are you using the clinical definition of sociopathy, or some other? It is pretty apparent to me the way she speaks. No emotion, everything is forced or faked. She isn't actually a person, just pretending to be one all the time. The reason bernie or trump energize their base to a large extent is because they actually believe in something. That is my overall impression of her. Then you add in the email scandal, benghazi, making 150 million from producing absolutely nothing. Her responses are well calculated, and she is able to lie without flinching. My assessment of her is that she doesn't give a shit about other people, but is extremely power hungry to go down in history as the first woman president. That is her primary objective, everything else is secondary. If I had to guess her meyer's briggs it would probably be an INTJ/INTP. She is a robot pretending to be a person.
aren't a lot of politicians intj/intp?
There's a difference between low emotion and sociopathy.
and the other things you cite don't really add up to a claim of sociopathy.
of course a lot of leaders tend to score high on sociopathy tests anyways.
and why isn't Trump a sociopath?
and again, what definition of sociopath are you using?
and why would sociopathy be more disqualifying than other disorders, given its prevalence, and evident usefulness in high level positions?
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On October 01 2016 08:06 zlefin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2016 07:59 biology]major wrote:On October 01 2016 07:49 zlefin wrote:On October 01 2016 06:36 biology]major wrote:On October 01 2016 06:29 Broetchenholer wrote:
I find it fascinating that the defense Trump-supporters in this thread go to when he insults women is that he insults everyone else as well. It was argued to death that this does not make it less mysogenist, but that they would rather vote for someone that is an asshole to everyone speaks volumes. Don't worry guys, he won't just insult Mexicans, he will also insult Europeans and Muslims and especially China! That is a good thing! The man has no policies apart from vague promises of greatness, so you don't want him for those in the white house. You are also not voting for him because of his political experience, even though he claims he is the only one that can fix it. But not because he is corrupt. So that only leaves character, right? But you just claimed he is an asshole. So do you just want to see the world burn? He is not Hillary Clinton, i give you that, but then again a baby is not Hillary Clinton and you wouldn't vote for the baby.
Just own that he is the worst candidate ever, do not defend his stupidity and say you are still voting for him because you want the world to burn. I would without a doubt vote for the baby. The only way I would change my vote from the republican ticket is if someone more sociopathic than Clinton emerged, at which point I would just not vote. Trump represents my values, he has a reckless and asshole tone but that doesn't bother me. you are saying Clinton is sociopathic, correct? and if so, what do you mean by that? are you using the clinical definition of sociopathy, or some other? It is pretty apparent to me the way she speaks. No emotion, everything is forced or faked. She isn't actually a person, just pretending to be one all the time. The reason bernie or trump energize their base to a large extent is because they actually believe in something. That is my overall impression of her. Then you add in the email scandal, benghazi, making 150 million from producing absolutely nothing. Her responses are well calculated, and she is able to lie without flinching. My assessment of her is that she doesn't give a shit about other people, but is extremely power hungry to go down in history as the first woman president. That is her primary objective, everything else is secondary. If I had to guess her meyer's briggs it would probably be an INTJ/INTP. She is a robot pretending to be a person. aren't a lot of politicians intj/intp? There's a difference between low emotion and sociopathy. and the other things you cite don't really add up to a claim of sociopathy. of course a lot of leaders tend to score high on sociopathy tests anyways. and why isn't Trump a sociopath? and again, what definition of sociopath are you using?
I might not be using the formal definition of sociopath but how I see it is, Trump is actually not intelligent in the same way clinton is. He uses visceral decision making and uses his gut feeling to guide him through a lot of his actions. He trusts himself above anyone and anything. Clinton is the exact opposite, she does not trust her gut for anything, thus you end up seeing calculated words even down to the pronunciation. She is putting on a facade to reach the most powerful position in the world, and she is AWARE of it. Trump is not playing 7d underwater chess, and if he is, he not even aware of it. There is probably another word which can better describe it but idk.
As to your last question, that is something I personally cannot stand, just like people in this thread cannot stand racists/sexists etc. Different for everyone.
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On October 01 2016 08:10 biology]major wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2016 08:06 zlefin wrote:On October 01 2016 07:59 biology]major wrote:On October 01 2016 07:49 zlefin wrote:On October 01 2016 06:36 biology]major wrote:On October 01 2016 06:29 Broetchenholer wrote:
I find it fascinating that the defense Trump-supporters in this thread go to when he insults women is that he insults everyone else as well. It was argued to death that this does not make it less mysogenist, but that they would rather vote for someone that is an asshole to everyone speaks volumes. Don't worry guys, he won't just insult Mexicans, he will also insult Europeans and Muslims and especially China! That is a good thing! The man has no policies apart from vague promises of greatness, so you don't want him for those in the white house. You are also not voting for him because of his political experience, even though he claims he is the only one that can fix it. But not because he is corrupt. So that only leaves character, right? But you just claimed he is an asshole. So do you just want to see the world burn? He is not Hillary Clinton, i give you that, but then again a baby is not Hillary Clinton and you wouldn't vote for the baby.
Just own that he is the worst candidate ever, do not defend his stupidity and say you are still voting for him because you want the world to burn. I would without a doubt vote for the baby. The only way I would change my vote from the republican ticket is if someone more sociopathic than Clinton emerged, at which point I would just not vote. Trump represents my values, he has a reckless and asshole tone but that doesn't bother me. you are saying Clinton is sociopathic, correct? and if so, what do you mean by that? are you using the clinical definition of sociopathy, or some other? It is pretty apparent to me the way she speaks. No emotion, everything is forced or faked. She isn't actually a person, just pretending to be one all the time. The reason bernie or trump energize their base to a large extent is because they actually believe in something. That is my overall impression of her. Then you add in the email scandal, benghazi, making 150 million from producing absolutely nothing. Her responses are well calculated, and she is able to lie without flinching. My assessment of her is that she doesn't give a shit about other people, but is extremely power hungry to go down in history as the first woman president. That is her primary objective, everything else is secondary. If I had to guess her meyer's briggs it would probably be an INTJ/INTP. She is a robot pretending to be a person. aren't a lot of politicians intj/intp? There's a difference between low emotion and sociopathy. and the other things you cite don't really add up to a claim of sociopathy. of course a lot of leaders tend to score high on sociopathy tests anyways. and why isn't Trump a sociopath? and again, what definition of sociopath are you using? I might not be using the formal definition of sociopath but how I see it is, Trump is actually not intelligent in the same way clinton is. He uses visceral decision making and uses his gut feeling to guide him through a lot of his actions. He trusts himself above anyone and anything. Clinton is the exact opposite, she does not trust her gut for anything, thus you end up seeing calculated words even down to the pronunciation. She is putting on a facade to reach the most powerful position in the world, and she is AWARE of it. Trump is not playing 7d underwater chess, and if he is, he not even aware of it. There is probably another word which can better describe it but idk.
what's wrong with clinton putting on a "facade" and thinking things through beforehand?
this statement of yours makes it sound like trump is just a bad decision-maker, and clinton is a good one.
so you can't stand sociopaths, and would prefer someone who woudl do a worse job, and has a more problematic disorder? (setting aside the point that it's not at all clear clinton is a sociopath).
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On October 01 2016 07:59 biology]major wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2016 07:49 zlefin wrote:On October 01 2016 06:36 biology]major wrote:On October 01 2016 06:29 Broetchenholer wrote:
I find it fascinating that the defense Trump-supporters in this thread go to when he insults women is that he insults everyone else as well. It was argued to death that this does not make it less mysogenist, but that they would rather vote for someone that is an asshole to everyone speaks volumes. Don't worry guys, he won't just insult Mexicans, he will also insult Europeans and Muslims and especially China! That is a good thing! The man has no policies apart from vague promises of greatness, so you don't want him for those in the white house. You are also not voting for him because of his political experience, even though he claims he is the only one that can fix it. But not because he is corrupt. So that only leaves character, right? But you just claimed he is an asshole. So do you just want to see the world burn? He is not Hillary Clinton, i give you that, but then again a baby is not Hillary Clinton and you wouldn't vote for the baby.
Just own that he is the worst candidate ever, do not defend his stupidity and say you are still voting for him because you want the world to burn. I would without a doubt vote for the baby. The only way I would change my vote from the republican ticket is if someone more sociopathic than Clinton emerged, at which point I would just not vote. Trump represents my values, he has a reckless and asshole tone but that doesn't bother me. you are saying Clinton is sociopathic, correct? and if so, what do you mean by that? are you using the clinical definition of sociopathy, or some other? It is pretty apparent to me the way she speaks. No emotion, everything is forced or faked. She isn't actually a person, just pretending to be one all the time. The reason bernie or trump energize their base to a large extent is because they actually believe in something. That is my overall impression of her. Then you add in the email scandal, benghazi, making 150 million from producing absolutely nothing. Her responses are well calculated, and she is able to lie without flinching. My assessment of her is that she doesn't give a shit about other people, but is extremely power hungry to go down in history as the first woman president. That is her primary objective, everything else is secondary. If I had to guess her meyer's briggs it would probably be an INTJ/INTP. She is a robot pretending to be a person.
Trump believes in himself, so, yeah, he believes in something. In my opinion, he has no other interest then having the title. He also has shown several times, that he doesn't care for anyone else as well. All the things you are criticizing Clinton for, your candidate does as well. Sure, Clinton an Trump have different personalities but you all acknowledge his personailty is not good either. So what exactly do you like about him?
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On October 01 2016 07:59 biology]major wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2016 07:49 zlefin wrote:On October 01 2016 06:36 biology]major wrote:On October 01 2016 06:29 Broetchenholer wrote:
I find it fascinating that the defense Trump-supporters in this thread go to when he insults women is that he insults everyone else as well. It was argued to death that this does not make it less mysogenist, but that they would rather vote for someone that is an asshole to everyone speaks volumes. Don't worry guys, he won't just insult Mexicans, he will also insult Europeans and Muslims and especially China! That is a good thing! The man has no policies apart from vague promises of greatness, so you don't want him for those in the white house. You are also not voting for him because of his political experience, even though he claims he is the only one that can fix it. But not because he is corrupt. So that only leaves character, right? But you just claimed he is an asshole. So do you just want to see the world burn? He is not Hillary Clinton, i give you that, but then again a baby is not Hillary Clinton and you wouldn't vote for the baby.
Just own that he is the worst candidate ever, do not defend his stupidity and say you are still voting for him because you want the world to burn. I would without a doubt vote for the baby. The only way I would change my vote from the republican ticket is if someone more sociopathic than Clinton emerged, at which point I would just not vote. Trump represents my values, he has a reckless and asshole tone but that doesn't bother me. you are saying Clinton is sociopathic, correct? and if so, what do you mean by that? are you using the clinical definition of sociopathy, or some other? It is pretty apparent to me the way she speaks. No emotion, everything is forced or faked. She isn't actually a person, just pretending to be one all the time. The reason bernie or trump energize their base to a large extent is because they actually believe in something. That is my overall impression of her. Then you add in the email scandal, benghazi, making 150 million from producing absolutely nothing. Her responses are well calculated, and she is able to lie without flinching. My assessment of her is that she doesn't give a shit about other people, but is extremely power hungry to go down in history as the first woman president. That is her primary objective, everything else is secondary. If I had to guess her meyer's briggs it would probably be an INTJ/INTP. She is a robot pretending to be a person.
I recall reading somewhere that she's an INTJ. It's not really a bad thing.
There's this strange dichotomy, I think. Many of her supporters think she actually wants to do things once elected, but her critics think that she's focusing 10000% on just being elected, damn everything else. Or that she's going to implement magical brain chips the day of her election.
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On October 01 2016 08:14 zlefin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2016 08:10 biology]major wrote:On October 01 2016 08:06 zlefin wrote:On October 01 2016 07:59 biology]major wrote:On October 01 2016 07:49 zlefin wrote:On October 01 2016 06:36 biology]major wrote:On October 01 2016 06:29 Broetchenholer wrote:
I find it fascinating that the defense Trump-supporters in this thread go to when he insults women is that he insults everyone else as well. It was argued to death that this does not make it less mysogenist, but that they would rather vote for someone that is an asshole to everyone speaks volumes. Don't worry guys, he won't just insult Mexicans, he will also insult Europeans and Muslims and especially China! That is a good thing! The man has no policies apart from vague promises of greatness, so you don't want him for those in the white house. You are also not voting for him because of his political experience, even though he claims he is the only one that can fix it. But not because he is corrupt. So that only leaves character, right? But you just claimed he is an asshole. So do you just want to see the world burn? He is not Hillary Clinton, i give you that, but then again a baby is not Hillary Clinton and you wouldn't vote for the baby.
Just own that he is the worst candidate ever, do not defend his stupidity and say you are still voting for him because you want the world to burn. I would without a doubt vote for the baby. The only way I would change my vote from the republican ticket is if someone more sociopathic than Clinton emerged, at which point I would just not vote. Trump represents my values, he has a reckless and asshole tone but that doesn't bother me. you are saying Clinton is sociopathic, correct? and if so, what do you mean by that? are you using the clinical definition of sociopathy, or some other? It is pretty apparent to me the way she speaks. No emotion, everything is forced or faked. She isn't actually a person, just pretending to be one all the time. The reason bernie or trump energize their base to a large extent is because they actually believe in something. That is my overall impression of her. Then you add in the email scandal, benghazi, making 150 million from producing absolutely nothing. Her responses are well calculated, and she is able to lie without flinching. My assessment of her is that she doesn't give a shit about other people, but is extremely power hungry to go down in history as the first woman president. That is her primary objective, everything else is secondary. If I had to guess her meyer's briggs it would probably be an INTJ/INTP. She is a robot pretending to be a person. aren't a lot of politicians intj/intp? There's a difference between low emotion and sociopathy. and the other things you cite don't really add up to a claim of sociopathy. of course a lot of leaders tend to score high on sociopathy tests anyways. and why isn't Trump a sociopath? and again, what definition of sociopath are you using? I might not be using the formal definition of sociopath but how I see it is, Trump is actually not intelligent in the same way clinton is. He uses visceral decision making and uses his gut feeling to guide him through a lot of his actions. He trusts himself above anyone and anything. Clinton is the exact opposite, she does not trust her gut for anything, thus you end up seeing calculated words even down to the pronunciation. She is putting on a facade to reach the most powerful position in the world, and she is AWARE of it. Trump is not playing 7d underwater chess, and if he is, he not even aware of it. There is probably another word which can better describe it but idk. what's wrong with clinton putting on a "facade" and thinking things through beforehand? this statement of yours makes it sound like trump is just a bad decision-maker, and clinton is a good one.
Most people have a combination of calculation vs free expression, but I think in this election we see two extremes. The problem with one is it is unhinged and unpredictable, the problem with the other is you never know where he/she actualyl stands. No, their actual decision making has nothing to do with how they perform while campaigning, that will be seen when they are in the oval office.
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On October 01 2016 08:14 zlefin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2016 08:10 biology]major wrote:On October 01 2016 08:06 zlefin wrote:On October 01 2016 07:59 biology]major wrote:On October 01 2016 07:49 zlefin wrote:On October 01 2016 06:36 biology]major wrote:On October 01 2016 06:29 Broetchenholer wrote:
I find it fascinating that the defense Trump-supporters in this thread go to when he insults women is that he insults everyone else as well. It was argued to death that this does not make it less mysogenist, but that they would rather vote for someone that is an asshole to everyone speaks volumes. Don't worry guys, he won't just insult Mexicans, he will also insult Europeans and Muslims and especially China! That is a good thing! The man has no policies apart from vague promises of greatness, so you don't want him for those in the white house. You are also not voting for him because of his political experience, even though he claims he is the only one that can fix it. But not because he is corrupt. So that only leaves character, right? But you just claimed he is an asshole. So do you just want to see the world burn? He is not Hillary Clinton, i give you that, but then again a baby is not Hillary Clinton and you wouldn't vote for the baby.
Just own that he is the worst candidate ever, do not defend his stupidity and say you are still voting for him because you want the world to burn. I would without a doubt vote for the baby. The only way I would change my vote from the republican ticket is if someone more sociopathic than Clinton emerged, at which point I would just not vote. Trump represents my values, he has a reckless and asshole tone but that doesn't bother me. you are saying Clinton is sociopathic, correct? and if so, what do you mean by that? are you using the clinical definition of sociopathy, or some other? It is pretty apparent to me the way she speaks. No emotion, everything is forced or faked. She isn't actually a person, just pretending to be one all the time. The reason bernie or trump energize their base to a large extent is because they actually believe in something. That is my overall impression of her. Then you add in the email scandal, benghazi, making 150 million from producing absolutely nothing. Her responses are well calculated, and she is able to lie without flinching. My assessment of her is that she doesn't give a shit about other people, but is extremely power hungry to go down in history as the first woman president. That is her primary objective, everything else is secondary. If I had to guess her meyer's briggs it would probably be an INTJ/INTP. She is a robot pretending to be a person. aren't a lot of politicians intj/intp? There's a difference between low emotion and sociopathy. and the other things you cite don't really add up to a claim of sociopathy. of course a lot of leaders tend to score high on sociopathy tests anyways. and why isn't Trump a sociopath? and again, what definition of sociopath are you using? I might not be using the formal definition of sociopath but how I see it is, Trump is actually not intelligent in the same way clinton is. He uses visceral decision making and uses his gut feeling to guide him through a lot of his actions. He trusts himself above anyone and anything. Clinton is the exact opposite, she does not trust her gut for anything, thus you end up seeing calculated words even down to the pronunciation. She is putting on a facade to reach the most powerful position in the world, and she is AWARE of it. Trump is not playing 7d underwater chess, and if he is, he not even aware of it. There is probably another word which can better describe it but idk. what's wrong with clinton putting on a "facade" and thinking things through beforehand? this statement of yours makes it sound like trump is just a bad decision-maker, and clinton is a good one. so you can't stand sociopaths, and would prefer someone who woudl do a worse job, and has a more problematic disorder? (setting aside the point that it's not at all clear clinton is a sociopath).
That there isn't a person there. It's like Rubio (I think) said, she has to hold a focus group to know what she thinks before she can answer a question.
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On October 01 2016 08:17 biology]major wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2016 08:14 zlefin wrote:On October 01 2016 08:10 biology]major wrote:On October 01 2016 08:06 zlefin wrote:On October 01 2016 07:59 biology]major wrote:On October 01 2016 07:49 zlefin wrote:On October 01 2016 06:36 biology]major wrote:On October 01 2016 06:29 Broetchenholer wrote:
I find it fascinating that the defense Trump-supporters in this thread go to when he insults women is that he insults everyone else as well. It was argued to death that this does not make it less mysogenist, but that they would rather vote for someone that is an asshole to everyone speaks volumes. Don't worry guys, he won't just insult Mexicans, he will also insult Europeans and Muslims and especially China! That is a good thing! The man has no policies apart from vague promises of greatness, so you don't want him for those in the white house. You are also not voting for him because of his political experience, even though he claims he is the only one that can fix it. But not because he is corrupt. So that only leaves character, right? But you just claimed he is an asshole. So do you just want to see the world burn? He is not Hillary Clinton, i give you that, but then again a baby is not Hillary Clinton and you wouldn't vote for the baby.
Just own that he is the worst candidate ever, do not defend his stupidity and say you are still voting for him because you want the world to burn. I would without a doubt vote for the baby. The only way I would change my vote from the republican ticket is if someone more sociopathic than Clinton emerged, at which point I would just not vote. Trump represents my values, he has a reckless and asshole tone but that doesn't bother me. you are saying Clinton is sociopathic, correct? and if so, what do you mean by that? are you using the clinical definition of sociopathy, or some other? It is pretty apparent to me the way she speaks. No emotion, everything is forced or faked. She isn't actually a person, just pretending to be one all the time. The reason bernie or trump energize their base to a large extent is because they actually believe in something. That is my overall impression of her. Then you add in the email scandal, benghazi, making 150 million from producing absolutely nothing. Her responses are well calculated, and she is able to lie without flinching. My assessment of her is that she doesn't give a shit about other people, but is extremely power hungry to go down in history as the first woman president. That is her primary objective, everything else is secondary. If I had to guess her meyer's briggs it would probably be an INTJ/INTP. She is a robot pretending to be a person. aren't a lot of politicians intj/intp? There's a difference between low emotion and sociopathy. and the other things you cite don't really add up to a claim of sociopathy. of course a lot of leaders tend to score high on sociopathy tests anyways. and why isn't Trump a sociopath? and again, what definition of sociopath are you using? I might not be using the formal definition of sociopath but how I see it is, Trump is actually not intelligent in the same way clinton is. He uses visceral decision making and uses his gut feeling to guide him through a lot of his actions. He trusts himself above anyone and anything. Clinton is the exact opposite, she does not trust her gut for anything, thus you end up seeing calculated words even down to the pronunciation. She is putting on a facade to reach the most powerful position in the world, and she is AWARE of it. Trump is not playing 7d underwater chess, and if he is, he not even aware of it. There is probably another word which can better describe it but idk. what's wrong with clinton putting on a "facade" and thinking things through beforehand? this statement of yours makes it sound like trump is just a bad decision-maker, and clinton is a good one. Most people have a combination of calculation vs free expression, but I think in this election we see two extremes. The problem with one is it is unhinged and unpredictable, the problem with the other is you never know where he/she actualyl stands. No, their actual decision making has nothing to do with how they perform while campaigning, that will be seen when they are in the oval office.
BOTH can be unhinged and unpedictable; and you can never tell where ANYBODY stands if they're a politican, regardless of their style.
And how is this last post of yours relevant to their fitness for office?
but really I'd like to stick to the sociopath thing while I narrow down on some points further, rather than getting side-tracked.
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On October 01 2016 08:15 Broetchenholer wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2016 07:59 biology]major wrote:On October 01 2016 07:49 zlefin wrote:On October 01 2016 06:36 biology]major wrote:On October 01 2016 06:29 Broetchenholer wrote:
I find it fascinating that the defense Trump-supporters in this thread go to when he insults women is that he insults everyone else as well. It was argued to death that this does not make it less mysogenist, but that they would rather vote for someone that is an asshole to everyone speaks volumes. Don't worry guys, he won't just insult Mexicans, he will also insult Europeans and Muslims and especially China! That is a good thing! The man has no policies apart from vague promises of greatness, so you don't want him for those in the white house. You are also not voting for him because of his political experience, even though he claims he is the only one that can fix it. But not because he is corrupt. So that only leaves character, right? But you just claimed he is an asshole. So do you just want to see the world burn? He is not Hillary Clinton, i give you that, but then again a baby is not Hillary Clinton and you wouldn't vote for the baby.
Just own that he is the worst candidate ever, do not defend his stupidity and say you are still voting for him because you want the world to burn. I would without a doubt vote for the baby. The only way I would change my vote from the republican ticket is if someone more sociopathic than Clinton emerged, at which point I would just not vote. Trump represents my values, he has a reckless and asshole tone but that doesn't bother me. you are saying Clinton is sociopathic, correct? and if so, what do you mean by that? are you using the clinical definition of sociopathy, or some other? It is pretty apparent to me the way she speaks. No emotion, everything is forced or faked. She isn't actually a person, just pretending to be one all the time. The reason bernie or trump energize their base to a large extent is because they actually believe in something. That is my overall impression of her. Then you add in the email scandal, benghazi, making 150 million from producing absolutely nothing. Her responses are well calculated, and she is able to lie without flinching. My assessment of her is that she doesn't give a shit about other people, but is extremely power hungry to go down in history as the first woman president. That is her primary objective, everything else is secondary. If I had to guess her meyer's briggs it would probably be an INTJ/INTP. She is a robot pretending to be a person. Trump believes in himself, so, yeah, he believes in something. In my opinion, he has no other interest then having the title. He also has shown several times, that he doesn't care for anyone else as well. All the things you are criticizing Clinton for, your candidate does as well. Sure, Clinton an Trump have different personalities but you all acknowledge his personailty is not good either. So what exactly do you like about him?
I like lower taxes, the wall, the ban on immigration from high risk countries, and his anti-pc stance which I hope will slow it down from spreading into college campuses. I like the idea of his anti-trade policies, but I don't know enough about economics to predict it's impact. I'm also pro life and in general a conservative, so its a easy choice for me.
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On October 01 2016 08:10 biology]major wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2016 08:06 zlefin wrote:On October 01 2016 07:59 biology]major wrote:On October 01 2016 07:49 zlefin wrote:On October 01 2016 06:36 biology]major wrote:On October 01 2016 06:29 Broetchenholer wrote:
I find it fascinating that the defense Trump-supporters in this thread go to when he insults women is that he insults everyone else as well. It was argued to death that this does not make it less mysogenist, but that they would rather vote for someone that is an asshole to everyone speaks volumes. Don't worry guys, he won't just insult Mexicans, he will also insult Europeans and Muslims and especially China! That is a good thing! The man has no policies apart from vague promises of greatness, so you don't want him for those in the white house. You are also not voting for him because of his political experience, even though he claims he is the only one that can fix it. But not because he is corrupt. So that only leaves character, right? But you just claimed he is an asshole. So do you just want to see the world burn? He is not Hillary Clinton, i give you that, but then again a baby is not Hillary Clinton and you wouldn't vote for the baby.
Just own that he is the worst candidate ever, do not defend his stupidity and say you are still voting for him because you want the world to burn. I would without a doubt vote for the baby. The only way I would change my vote from the republican ticket is if someone more sociopathic than Clinton emerged, at which point I would just not vote. Trump represents my values, he has a reckless and asshole tone but that doesn't bother me. you are saying Clinton is sociopathic, correct? and if so, what do you mean by that? are you using the clinical definition of sociopathy, or some other? It is pretty apparent to me the way she speaks. No emotion, everything is forced or faked. She isn't actually a person, just pretending to be one all the time. The reason bernie or trump energize their base to a large extent is because they actually believe in something. That is my overall impression of her. Then you add in the email scandal, benghazi, making 150 million from producing absolutely nothing. Her responses are well calculated, and she is able to lie without flinching. My assessment of her is that she doesn't give a shit about other people, but is extremely power hungry to go down in history as the first woman president. That is her primary objective, everything else is secondary. If I had to guess her meyer's briggs it would probably be an INTJ/INTP. She is a robot pretending to be a person. aren't a lot of politicians intj/intp? There's a difference between low emotion and sociopathy. and the other things you cite don't really add up to a claim of sociopathy. of course a lot of leaders tend to score high on sociopathy tests anyways. and why isn't Trump a sociopath? and again, what definition of sociopath are you using? I might not be using the formal definition of sociopath but how I see it is, Trump is actually not intelligent in the same way clinton is. He uses visceral decision making and uses his gut feeling to guide him through a lot of his actions. He trusts himself above anyone and anything. Clinton is the exact opposite, she does not trust her gut for anything, thus you end up seeing calculated words even down to the pronunciation. She is putting on a facade to reach the most powerful position in the world, and she is AWARE of it. Trump is not playing 7d underwater chess, and if he is, he not even aware of it. There is probably another word which can better describe it but idk. As to your last question, that is something I personally cannot stand, just like people in this thread cannot stand racists/sexists etc. Different for everyone.
At the risk of sounding too much like a SJW, I think at least a little of her demeanor has to do with her being a female and all. I don't think she's ever had as much freedom to talk as casually or emphatically as her male counterparts do. I feel like she just has to be more measured and deliberate in her responses always.
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On October 01 2016 08:21 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2016 08:14 zlefin wrote:On October 01 2016 08:10 biology]major wrote:On October 01 2016 08:06 zlefin wrote:On October 01 2016 07:59 biology]major wrote:On October 01 2016 07:49 zlefin wrote:On October 01 2016 06:36 biology]major wrote:On October 01 2016 06:29 Broetchenholer wrote:
I find it fascinating that the defense Trump-supporters in this thread go to when he insults women is that he insults everyone else as well. It was argued to death that this does not make it less mysogenist, but that they would rather vote for someone that is an asshole to everyone speaks volumes. Don't worry guys, he won't just insult Mexicans, he will also insult Europeans and Muslims and especially China! That is a good thing! The man has no policies apart from vague promises of greatness, so you don't want him for those in the white house. You are also not voting for him because of his political experience, even though he claims he is the only one that can fix it. But not because he is corrupt. So that only leaves character, right? But you just claimed he is an asshole. So do you just want to see the world burn? He is not Hillary Clinton, i give you that, but then again a baby is not Hillary Clinton and you wouldn't vote for the baby.
Just own that he is the worst candidate ever, do not defend his stupidity and say you are still voting for him because you want the world to burn. I would without a doubt vote for the baby. The only way I would change my vote from the republican ticket is if someone more sociopathic than Clinton emerged, at which point I would just not vote. Trump represents my values, he has a reckless and asshole tone but that doesn't bother me. you are saying Clinton is sociopathic, correct? and if so, what do you mean by that? are you using the clinical definition of sociopathy, or some other? It is pretty apparent to me the way she speaks. No emotion, everything is forced or faked. She isn't actually a person, just pretending to be one all the time. The reason bernie or trump energize their base to a large extent is because they actually believe in something. That is my overall impression of her. Then you add in the email scandal, benghazi, making 150 million from producing absolutely nothing. Her responses are well calculated, and she is able to lie without flinching. My assessment of her is that she doesn't give a shit about other people, but is extremely power hungry to go down in history as the first woman president. That is her primary objective, everything else is secondary. If I had to guess her meyer's briggs it would probably be an INTJ/INTP. She is a robot pretending to be a person. aren't a lot of politicians intj/intp? There's a difference between low emotion and sociopathy. and the other things you cite don't really add up to a claim of sociopathy. of course a lot of leaders tend to score high on sociopathy tests anyways. and why isn't Trump a sociopath? and again, what definition of sociopath are you using? I might not be using the formal definition of sociopath but how I see it is, Trump is actually not intelligent in the same way clinton is. He uses visceral decision making and uses his gut feeling to guide him through a lot of his actions. He trusts himself above anyone and anything. Clinton is the exact opposite, she does not trust her gut for anything, thus you end up seeing calculated words even down to the pronunciation. She is putting on a facade to reach the most powerful position in the world, and she is AWARE of it. Trump is not playing 7d underwater chess, and if he is, he not even aware of it. There is probably another word which can better describe it but idk. what's wrong with clinton putting on a "facade" and thinking things through beforehand? this statement of yours makes it sound like trump is just a bad decision-maker, and clinton is a good one. so you can't stand sociopaths, and would prefer someone who woudl do a worse job, and has a more problematic disorder? (setting aside the point that it's not at all clear clinton is a sociopath). That there isn't a person there. It's like Rubio (I think) said, she has to hold a focus group to know what she thinks before she can answer a question.
a) she's still human.
and b) so what? how does that affect fitness for office? especially compared to the alternative.
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On October 01 2016 08:21 zlefin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2016 08:17 biology]major wrote:On October 01 2016 08:14 zlefin wrote:On October 01 2016 08:10 biology]major wrote:On October 01 2016 08:06 zlefin wrote:On October 01 2016 07:59 biology]major wrote:On October 01 2016 07:49 zlefin wrote:On October 01 2016 06:36 biology]major wrote:On October 01 2016 06:29 Broetchenholer wrote:
I find it fascinating that the defense Trump-supporters in this thread go to when he insults women is that he insults everyone else as well. It was argued to death that this does not make it less mysogenist, but that they would rather vote for someone that is an asshole to everyone speaks volumes. Don't worry guys, he won't just insult Mexicans, he will also insult Europeans and Muslims and especially China! That is a good thing! The man has no policies apart from vague promises of greatness, so you don't want him for those in the white house. You are also not voting for him because of his political experience, even though he claims he is the only one that can fix it. But not because he is corrupt. So that only leaves character, right? But you just claimed he is an asshole. So do you just want to see the world burn? He is not Hillary Clinton, i give you that, but then again a baby is not Hillary Clinton and you wouldn't vote for the baby.
Just own that he is the worst candidate ever, do not defend his stupidity and say you are still voting for him because you want the world to burn. I would without a doubt vote for the baby. The only way I would change my vote from the republican ticket is if someone more sociopathic than Clinton emerged, at which point I would just not vote. Trump represents my values, he has a reckless and asshole tone but that doesn't bother me. you are saying Clinton is sociopathic, correct? and if so, what do you mean by that? are you using the clinical definition of sociopathy, or some other? It is pretty apparent to me the way she speaks. No emotion, everything is forced or faked. She isn't actually a person, just pretending to be one all the time. The reason bernie or trump energize their base to a large extent is because they actually believe in something. That is my overall impression of her. Then you add in the email scandal, benghazi, making 150 million from producing absolutely nothing. Her responses are well calculated, and she is able to lie without flinching. My assessment of her is that she doesn't give a shit about other people, but is extremely power hungry to go down in history as the first woman president. That is her primary objective, everything else is secondary. If I had to guess her meyer's briggs it would probably be an INTJ/INTP. She is a robot pretending to be a person. aren't a lot of politicians intj/intp? There's a difference between low emotion and sociopathy. and the other things you cite don't really add up to a claim of sociopathy. of course a lot of leaders tend to score high on sociopathy tests anyways. and why isn't Trump a sociopath? and again, what definition of sociopath are you using? I might not be using the formal definition of sociopath but how I see it is, Trump is actually not intelligent in the same way clinton is. He uses visceral decision making and uses his gut feeling to guide him through a lot of his actions. He trusts himself above anyone and anything. Clinton is the exact opposite, she does not trust her gut for anything, thus you end up seeing calculated words even down to the pronunciation. She is putting on a facade to reach the most powerful position in the world, and she is AWARE of it. Trump is not playing 7d underwater chess, and if he is, he not even aware of it. There is probably another word which can better describe it but idk. what's wrong with clinton putting on a "facade" and thinking things through beforehand? this statement of yours makes it sound like trump is just a bad decision-maker, and clinton is a good one. Most people have a combination of calculation vs free expression, but I think in this election we see two extremes. The problem with one is it is unhinged and unpredictable, the problem with the other is you never know where he/she actualyl stands. No, their actual decision making has nothing to do with how they perform while campaigning, that will be seen when they are in the oval office. BOTH can be unhinged and unpedictable; and you can never tell where ANYBODY stands if they're a politican, regardless of their style. And how is this last post of yours relevant to their fitness for office? but really I'd like to stick to the sociopath thing while I narrow down on some points further, rather than getting side-tracked.
I think you are looking this from a net benefit/net loss perspective. I am not, I don't know who will be better for the country, while you (maybe reasonably) think Clinton could be net benefit compared to trump.
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On October 01 2016 08:21 biology]major wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2016 08:15 Broetchenholer wrote:On October 01 2016 07:59 biology]major wrote:On October 01 2016 07:49 zlefin wrote:On October 01 2016 06:36 biology]major wrote:On October 01 2016 06:29 Broetchenholer wrote:
I find it fascinating that the defense Trump-supporters in this thread go to when he insults women is that he insults everyone else as well. It was argued to death that this does not make it less mysogenist, but that they would rather vote for someone that is an asshole to everyone speaks volumes. Don't worry guys, he won't just insult Mexicans, he will also insult Europeans and Muslims and especially China! That is a good thing! The man has no policies apart from vague promises of greatness, so you don't want him for those in the white house. You are also not voting for him because of his political experience, even though he claims he is the only one that can fix it. But not because he is corrupt. So that only leaves character, right? But you just claimed he is an asshole. So do you just want to see the world burn? He is not Hillary Clinton, i give you that, but then again a baby is not Hillary Clinton and you wouldn't vote for the baby.
Just own that he is the worst candidate ever, do not defend his stupidity and say you are still voting for him because you want the world to burn. I would without a doubt vote for the baby. The only way I would change my vote from the republican ticket is if someone more sociopathic than Clinton emerged, at which point I would just not vote. Trump represents my values, he has a reckless and asshole tone but that doesn't bother me. you are saying Clinton is sociopathic, correct? and if so, what do you mean by that? are you using the clinical definition of sociopathy, or some other? It is pretty apparent to me the way she speaks. No emotion, everything is forced or faked. She isn't actually a person, just pretending to be one all the time. The reason bernie or trump energize their base to a large extent is because they actually believe in something. That is my overall impression of her. Then you add in the email scandal, benghazi, making 150 million from producing absolutely nothing. Her responses are well calculated, and she is able to lie without flinching. My assessment of her is that she doesn't give a shit about other people, but is extremely power hungry to go down in history as the first woman president. That is her primary objective, everything else is secondary. If I had to guess her meyer's briggs it would probably be an INTJ/INTP. She is a robot pretending to be a person. Trump believes in himself, so, yeah, he believes in something. In my opinion, he has no other interest then having the title. He also has shown several times, that he doesn't care for anyone else as well. All the things you are criticizing Clinton for, your candidate does as well. Sure, Clinton an Trump have different personalities but you all acknowledge his personailty is not good either. So what exactly do you like about him? I like lower taxes, the wall, the ban on immigration from high risk countries, and his anti-pc stance which I hope will slow it down from spreading into college campuses. I like the idea of his anti-trade policies, but I don't know enough about economics to predict it's impact. I'm also pro life and in general a conservative, so its a easy choice for me.
you are aware that the wall is nonsense as a policy, he's not actually lowering taxes, the president doesn't really affect college campuses, and the immigration stuff is very little different from our current system? and that his anti-trade policies aren't beneficial?
pro-life I can get, sort of, though he's not that pro-life really.
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On October 01 2016 08:22 zlefin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2016 08:21 oBlade wrote:On October 01 2016 08:14 zlefin wrote:On October 01 2016 08:10 biology]major wrote:On October 01 2016 08:06 zlefin wrote:On October 01 2016 07:59 biology]major wrote:On October 01 2016 07:49 zlefin wrote:On October 01 2016 06:36 biology]major wrote:On October 01 2016 06:29 Broetchenholer wrote:
I find it fascinating that the defense Trump-supporters in this thread go to when he insults women is that he insults everyone else as well. It was argued to death that this does not make it less mysogenist, but that they would rather vote for someone that is an asshole to everyone speaks volumes. Don't worry guys, he won't just insult Mexicans, he will also insult Europeans and Muslims and especially China! That is a good thing! The man has no policies apart from vague promises of greatness, so you don't want him for those in the white house. You are also not voting for him because of his political experience, even though he claims he is the only one that can fix it. But not because he is corrupt. So that only leaves character, right? But you just claimed he is an asshole. So do you just want to see the world burn? He is not Hillary Clinton, i give you that, but then again a baby is not Hillary Clinton and you wouldn't vote for the baby.
Just own that he is the worst candidate ever, do not defend his stupidity and say you are still voting for him because you want the world to burn. I would without a doubt vote for the baby. The only way I would change my vote from the republican ticket is if someone more sociopathic than Clinton emerged, at which point I would just not vote. Trump represents my values, he has a reckless and asshole tone but that doesn't bother me. you are saying Clinton is sociopathic, correct? and if so, what do you mean by that? are you using the clinical definition of sociopathy, or some other? It is pretty apparent to me the way she speaks. No emotion, everything is forced or faked. She isn't actually a person, just pretending to be one all the time. The reason bernie or trump energize their base to a large extent is because they actually believe in something. That is my overall impression of her. Then you add in the email scandal, benghazi, making 150 million from producing absolutely nothing. Her responses are well calculated, and she is able to lie without flinching. My assessment of her is that she doesn't give a shit about other people, but is extremely power hungry to go down in history as the first woman president. That is her primary objective, everything else is secondary. If I had to guess her meyer's briggs it would probably be an INTJ/INTP. She is a robot pretending to be a person. aren't a lot of politicians intj/intp? There's a difference between low emotion and sociopathy. and the other things you cite don't really add up to a claim of sociopathy. of course a lot of leaders tend to score high on sociopathy tests anyways. and why isn't Trump a sociopath? and again, what definition of sociopath are you using? I might not be using the formal definition of sociopath but how I see it is, Trump is actually not intelligent in the same way clinton is. He uses visceral decision making and uses his gut feeling to guide him through a lot of his actions. He trusts himself above anyone and anything. Clinton is the exact opposite, she does not trust her gut for anything, thus you end up seeing calculated words even down to the pronunciation. She is putting on a facade to reach the most powerful position in the world, and she is AWARE of it. Trump is not playing 7d underwater chess, and if he is, he not even aware of it. There is probably another word which can better describe it but idk. what's wrong with clinton putting on a "facade" and thinking things through beforehand? this statement of yours makes it sound like trump is just a bad decision-maker, and clinton is a good one. so you can't stand sociopaths, and would prefer someone who woudl do a worse job, and has a more problematic disorder? (setting aside the point that it's not at all clear clinton is a sociopath). That there isn't a person there. It's like Rubio (I think) said, she has to hold a focus group to know what she thinks before she can answer a question. a) she's still human. and b) so what? how does that affect fitness for office? especially compared to the alternative.
Because when you elect the president, you're choosing a decision making engine for 4-8 years.
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On October 01 2016 08:10 biology]major wrote:
I might not be using the formal definition of sociopath but how I see it is, Trump is actually not intelligent in the same way clinton is. He uses visceral decision making and uses his gut feeling to guide him through a lot of his actions.
Again, intelligence isn't a prerequisite for sociopathy. The defining characteristic of a sociopath is a lack of conscience or empathy for other people. This isn't even a strict textbook definition--it's just a commonsense understanding of what sociopathy is. Various formal definitions exist but I'm not going to delve into that because they're not my area of expertise.
I don't know where your idea of someone being cold, calculating, and intelligent as being a requirement for sociopathy came from. Someone very stupid can also be a sociopath as it's based largely on social/behavioral traits and not on intelligence.
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On October 01 2016 08:26 biology]major wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2016 08:21 zlefin wrote:On October 01 2016 08:17 biology]major wrote:On October 01 2016 08:14 zlefin wrote:On October 01 2016 08:10 biology]major wrote:On October 01 2016 08:06 zlefin wrote:On October 01 2016 07:59 biology]major wrote:On October 01 2016 07:49 zlefin wrote:On October 01 2016 06:36 biology]major wrote:On October 01 2016 06:29 Broetchenholer wrote:
I find it fascinating that the defense Trump-supporters in this thread go to when he insults women is that he insults everyone else as well. It was argued to death that this does not make it less mysogenist, but that they would rather vote for someone that is an asshole to everyone speaks volumes. Don't worry guys, he won't just insult Mexicans, he will also insult Europeans and Muslims and especially China! That is a good thing! The man has no policies apart from vague promises of greatness, so you don't want him for those in the white house. You are also not voting for him because of his political experience, even though he claims he is the only one that can fix it. But not because he is corrupt. So that only leaves character, right? But you just claimed he is an asshole. So do you just want to see the world burn? He is not Hillary Clinton, i give you that, but then again a baby is not Hillary Clinton and you wouldn't vote for the baby.
Just own that he is the worst candidate ever, do not defend his stupidity and say you are still voting for him because you want the world to burn. I would without a doubt vote for the baby. The only way I would change my vote from the republican ticket is if someone more sociopathic than Clinton emerged, at which point I would just not vote. Trump represents my values, he has a reckless and asshole tone but that doesn't bother me. you are saying Clinton is sociopathic, correct? and if so, what do you mean by that? are you using the clinical definition of sociopathy, or some other? It is pretty apparent to me the way she speaks. No emotion, everything is forced or faked. She isn't actually a person, just pretending to be one all the time. The reason bernie or trump energize their base to a large extent is because they actually believe in something. That is my overall impression of her. Then you add in the email scandal, benghazi, making 150 million from producing absolutely nothing. Her responses are well calculated, and she is able to lie without flinching. My assessment of her is that she doesn't give a shit about other people, but is extremely power hungry to go down in history as the first woman president. That is her primary objective, everything else is secondary. If I had to guess her meyer's briggs it would probably be an INTJ/INTP. She is a robot pretending to be a person. aren't a lot of politicians intj/intp? There's a difference between low emotion and sociopathy. and the other things you cite don't really add up to a claim of sociopathy. of course a lot of leaders tend to score high on sociopathy tests anyways. and why isn't Trump a sociopath? and again, what definition of sociopath are you using? I might not be using the formal definition of sociopath but how I see it is, Trump is actually not intelligent in the same way clinton is. He uses visceral decision making and uses his gut feeling to guide him through a lot of his actions. He trusts himself above anyone and anything. Clinton is the exact opposite, she does not trust her gut for anything, thus you end up seeing calculated words even down to the pronunciation. She is putting on a facade to reach the most powerful position in the world, and she is AWARE of it. Trump is not playing 7d underwater chess, and if he is, he not even aware of it. There is probably another word which can better describe it but idk. what's wrong with clinton putting on a "facade" and thinking things through beforehand? this statement of yours makes it sound like trump is just a bad decision-maker, and clinton is a good one. Most people have a combination of calculation vs free expression, but I think in this election we see two extremes. The problem with one is it is unhinged and unpredictable, the problem with the other is you never know where he/she actualyl stands. No, their actual decision making has nothing to do with how they perform while campaigning, that will be seen when they are in the oval office. BOTH can be unhinged and unpedictable; and you can never tell where ANYBODY stands if they're a politican, regardless of their style. And how is this last post of yours relevant to their fitness for office? but really I'd like to stick to the sociopath thing while I narrow down on some points further, rather than getting side-tracked. I think you are looking this from a net benefit/net loss perspective. I am not, I don't know who will be better for the country, while you (maybe reasonably) think Clinton could be net benefit compared to trump.
I'm mostly debating/arguing/refuting points, i'm making few claims of my own for this conversation, though I've made such claims elsewhere. I have quite a bit of training in formal logic and reasoning, so I'm probably being a bit thorough.
I'm trying to debate your reasons for your choice, as well as some factual claims you make which have low foundation to assess why you make them; and to get you to elaborate on your points so that they may be better agreed or disagreed with.
are you looking at which candidate will best benefit the country, or benefit yourself? nothing wrong with the latter, as such is human nature to quite a degree.
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On October 01 2016 08:29 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2016 08:10 biology]major wrote:
I might not be using the formal definition of sociopath but how I see it is, Trump is actually not intelligent in the same way clinton is. He uses visceral decision making and uses his gut feeling to guide him through a lot of his actions.
Again, intelligence isn't a prerequisite for sociopathy. The defining characteristic of a sociopath is a lack of conscience or empathy for other people. This isn't even a strict textbook definition--it's just a commonsense understanding of what sociopathy is. Various formal definitions exist but I'm not going to delve into that because they're not my area of expertise. I don't know where your idea of someone being cold, calculating, and intelligent as being a requirement for sociopathy came from. Someone very stupid can also be a sociopath as it's based largely on social/behavioral traits and not on intelligence.
Ok then let me ask you. 2 people, both of them don't have a shred of empathy. One is very aware of what he/she wants and will play "roles" to optimize his/her chances at obtaining said thing. The other is not self-aware and goes after what he/she wants directly in a brash way.
Are both of them sociopaths?
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On October 01 2016 08:27 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2016 08:22 zlefin wrote:On October 01 2016 08:21 oBlade wrote:On October 01 2016 08:14 zlefin wrote:On October 01 2016 08:10 biology]major wrote:On October 01 2016 08:06 zlefin wrote:On October 01 2016 07:59 biology]major wrote:On October 01 2016 07:49 zlefin wrote:On October 01 2016 06:36 biology]major wrote:On October 01 2016 06:29 Broetchenholer wrote:
I find it fascinating that the defense Trump-supporters in this thread go to when he insults women is that he insults everyone else as well. It was argued to death that this does not make it less mysogenist, but that they would rather vote for someone that is an asshole to everyone speaks volumes. Don't worry guys, he won't just insult Mexicans, he will also insult Europeans and Muslims and especially China! That is a good thing! The man has no policies apart from vague promises of greatness, so you don't want him for those in the white house. You are also not voting for him because of his political experience, even though he claims he is the only one that can fix it. But not because he is corrupt. So that only leaves character, right? But you just claimed he is an asshole. So do you just want to see the world burn? He is not Hillary Clinton, i give you that, but then again a baby is not Hillary Clinton and you wouldn't vote for the baby.
Just own that he is the worst candidate ever, do not defend his stupidity and say you are still voting for him because you want the world to burn. I would without a doubt vote for the baby. The only way I would change my vote from the republican ticket is if someone more sociopathic than Clinton emerged, at which point I would just not vote. Trump represents my values, he has a reckless and asshole tone but that doesn't bother me. you are saying Clinton is sociopathic, correct? and if so, what do you mean by that? are you using the clinical definition of sociopathy, or some other? It is pretty apparent to me the way she speaks. No emotion, everything is forced or faked. She isn't actually a person, just pretending to be one all the time. The reason bernie or trump energize their base to a large extent is because they actually believe in something. That is my overall impression of her. Then you add in the email scandal, benghazi, making 150 million from producing absolutely nothing. Her responses are well calculated, and she is able to lie without flinching. My assessment of her is that she doesn't give a shit about other people, but is extremely power hungry to go down in history as the first woman president. That is her primary objective, everything else is secondary. If I had to guess her meyer's briggs it would probably be an INTJ/INTP. She is a robot pretending to be a person. aren't a lot of politicians intj/intp? There's a difference between low emotion and sociopathy. and the other things you cite don't really add up to a claim of sociopathy. of course a lot of leaders tend to score high on sociopathy tests anyways. and why isn't Trump a sociopath? and again, what definition of sociopath are you using? I might not be using the formal definition of sociopath but how I see it is, Trump is actually not intelligent in the same way clinton is. He uses visceral decision making and uses his gut feeling to guide him through a lot of his actions. He trusts himself above anyone and anything. Clinton is the exact opposite, she does not trust her gut for anything, thus you end up seeing calculated words even down to the pronunciation. She is putting on a facade to reach the most powerful position in the world, and she is AWARE of it. Trump is not playing 7d underwater chess, and if he is, he not even aware of it. There is probably another word which can better describe it but idk. what's wrong with clinton putting on a "facade" and thinking things through beforehand? this statement of yours makes it sound like trump is just a bad decision-maker, and clinton is a good one. so you can't stand sociopaths, and would prefer someone who woudl do a worse job, and has a more problematic disorder? (setting aside the point that it's not at all clear clinton is a sociopath). That there isn't a person there. It's like Rubio (I think) said, she has to hold a focus group to know what she thinks before she can answer a question. a) she's still human. and b) so what? how does that affect fitness for office? especially compared to the alternative. Because when you elect the president, you're choosing a decision making engine for 4-8 years.
that does not answer the question at all; and if you think it does, you need ot elaborate on why it does, because it is not clear to me from your answer. but you really should've known that, as your statement states the obvious, that if you elect the president they make decisions for awhile. So you're basically doing a non-answer. Please give an actual answer.
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Sociopaths are often intelligent and calculating. But being stupid or inefficient or having poor impulse control does not mean a person is not a sociopath.
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