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GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
July 11 2016 01:30 GMT
#84781
Here's a video interview to that article Stealth linked earlier at one of the potential VP choices Trump is looking at



I couldn't ask for a better VP pick in this interview
forsooth
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3648 Posts
July 11 2016 01:32 GMT
#84782
On July 11 2016 08:06 OuchyDathurts wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2016 08:05 forsooth wrote:
On July 11 2016 07:57 OuchyDathurts wrote:
I've never understood how the only crime someone can be charged with is resisting arrest. There has to be a crime to get arrested for that leads to resisting. You need A to have B. Any time someone is charged with resisting and only resisting that should be immediately and instantly thrown out.

Not how it works. You can be arrested for any number of reasons and whether you disagree with them is immaterial. Your recourse occurs after the fact if there is in fact no good reason to detain you. That's what laws pertaining to habeas corpus and wrongful imprisonment are for.


If I've committed no crime my resistance is completely justified as far as I'm concerned.

What you've done or haven't done has nothing to do with whether you can be arrested or not. You might match the description of a suspect or a person of interest in a criminal investigation. You might be driving a vehicle that matches the description of one that was involved in a crime. The police aren't just going to take your word for it when you tell them you didn't do it because guilty people lie all the time. You just have to suck it up, go down to the station, give your explanation or your alibi and let the facts of the matter sort it all out. It's annoying but it's part of living in society where crime happens, and if you decide you don't have to cooperate in matters of criminal justice and resist arrest, you deserve to face consequences for that.
Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
July 11 2016 02:00 GMT
#84783
On July 11 2016 08:47 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2016 08:32 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
ATLANTA (AP) — Wanda Melton has voted for every Republican presidential nominee since Ronald Reagan in 1980, but now the Georgia grandmother plans to cross over to support Democrat Hillary Clinton.

"I'm not a real fan of Hillary," Melton says from her office in Atlanta. "But I think it would just be awful to have Donald Trump." She adds: "I cannot in good conscience let that happen."

Melton is among a particular group of voters, whites with college degrees, who are resistant to Trump. Their skepticism comes as an ominous warning as Trump struggles to rebuild even the losing coalition that Mitt Romney managed four years ago.

College-educated whites made up more than one-third of the electorate in 2012. Polls suggest Trump trails Clinton with those voters, especially women.

"Donald Trump simply cannot afford to lose ground in any segment of the electorate" that supported Romney, said Florida pollster Fernand Amandi. Romney's strength with that group, for example, made for a close race in Florida, where President Barack Obama won by less than 75,000 votes out of more than 8.4 million cast.

Some Republicans worry Trump's approach — his unvarnished, sometimes uncouth demeanor and his nationalist and populist arguments — guarantees his defeat, because the same outsider appeal that attracts many working class and even college-educated white men alienates other voters with a college degree.


Source



White with a college degree here who supports Trump over Hillary.

I plan on getting another one for free with my G.I. Bill when my military service ends.

I love the media trying to paint the narrative that 'educated vote for Hillary' and 'uneducated vote for Trump'.

-educated is good 'uneducated' is bad
-if you vote Hillary, you're educated (good)
-if you vote Trump, you're uneducated (bad)
-therefore you should vote for Hillary not Trump

It's a great Clinton ad

Interestingly, from that same article -

Show nested quote +
Romney drew support from 56 percent of white voters with college degrees, according to 2012 exit polls. Obama notched just 42 percent, but still cruised to a second term.


That's an even bigger gap than polls show between Trump and Clinton currently. I didn't vote in 2012 I was pretty jaded with the choices but if forced to would have selected Obama over Romney at the time.


The problem for Trump is that Hillary is winning the major demographics that Obama won and now has a lead with one of the demographics that he lost.

She's crushing Trump with minorities and women, probably moreso than Obama did to Romney (although I haven't seen the numbers), and adding college educated whites to that lead only makes it more difficult for Trump.
A sound mind in a sound body, is a short, but full description of a happy state in this World: he that has these two, has little more to wish for; and he that wants either of them, will be little the better for anything else.
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
July 11 2016 02:06 GMT
#84784
Trump's actually leading Romney and McCain in the Hispanic vote
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
July 11 2016 02:09 GMT
#84785
On July 11 2016 10:30 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Here's a video interview to that article Stealth linked earlier at one of the potential VP choices Trump is looking at

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvdAaygkBoU

I couldn't ask for a better VP pick in this interview



Unless the GOP modernizes before November sure.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43277 Posts
July 11 2016 02:53 GMT
#84786
On July 11 2016 08:47 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2016 08:32 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
ATLANTA (AP) — Wanda Melton has voted for every Republican presidential nominee since Ronald Reagan in 1980, but now the Georgia grandmother plans to cross over to support Democrat Hillary Clinton.

"I'm not a real fan of Hillary," Melton says from her office in Atlanta. "But I think it would just be awful to have Donald Trump." She adds: "I cannot in good conscience let that happen."

Melton is among a particular group of voters, whites with college degrees, who are resistant to Trump. Their skepticism comes as an ominous warning as Trump struggles to rebuild even the losing coalition that Mitt Romney managed four years ago.

College-educated whites made up more than one-third of the electorate in 2012. Polls suggest Trump trails Clinton with those voters, especially women.

"Donald Trump simply cannot afford to lose ground in any segment of the electorate" that supported Romney, said Florida pollster Fernand Amandi. Romney's strength with that group, for example, made for a close race in Florida, where President Barack Obama won by less than 75,000 votes out of more than 8.4 million cast.

Some Republicans worry Trump's approach — his unvarnished, sometimes uncouth demeanor and his nationalist and populist arguments — guarantees his defeat, because the same outsider appeal that attracts many working class and even college-educated white men alienates other voters with a college degree.


Source



White with a college degree here who supports Trump over Hillary.

I plan on getting another one for free with my G.I. Bill when my military service ends.

I love the media trying to paint the narrative that 'educated vote for Hillary' and 'uneducated vote for Trump'.

-educated is good 'uneducated' is bad
-if you vote Hillary, you're educated (good)
-if you vote Trump, you're uneducated (bad)
-therefore you should vote for Hillary not Trump

It's a great Clinton ad

Interestingly, from that same article -

Show nested quote +
Romney drew support from 56 percent of white voters with college degrees, according to 2012 exit polls. Obama notched just 42 percent, but still cruised to a second term.


That's an even bigger gap than polls show between Trump and Clinton currently. I didn't vote in 2012 I was pretty jaded with the choices but if forced to would have selected Obama over Romney at the time.

Honestly I think you should go to the institution that gave you your college degree and ask for your money back.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-11 03:51:35
July 11 2016 03:26 GMT
#84787
On July 11 2016 11:53 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2016 08:47 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On July 11 2016 08:32 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
ATLANTA (AP) — Wanda Melton has voted for every Republican presidential nominee since Ronald Reagan in 1980, but now the Georgia grandmother plans to cross over to support Democrat Hillary Clinton.

"I'm not a real fan of Hillary," Melton says from her office in Atlanta. "But I think it would just be awful to have Donald Trump." She adds: "I cannot in good conscience let that happen."

Melton is among a particular group of voters, whites with college degrees, who are resistant to Trump. Their skepticism comes as an ominous warning as Trump struggles to rebuild even the losing coalition that Mitt Romney managed four years ago.

College-educated whites made up more than one-third of the electorate in 2012. Polls suggest Trump trails Clinton with those voters, especially women.

"Donald Trump simply cannot afford to lose ground in any segment of the electorate" that supported Romney, said Florida pollster Fernand Amandi. Romney's strength with that group, for example, made for a close race in Florida, where President Barack Obama won by less than 75,000 votes out of more than 8.4 million cast.

Some Republicans worry Trump's approach — his unvarnished, sometimes uncouth demeanor and his nationalist and populist arguments — guarantees his defeat, because the same outsider appeal that attracts many working class and even college-educated white men alienates other voters with a college degree.


Source



White with a college degree here who supports Trump over Hillary.

I plan on getting another one for free with my G.I. Bill when my military service ends.

I love the media trying to paint the narrative that 'educated vote for Hillary' and 'uneducated vote for Trump'.

-educated is good 'uneducated' is bad
-if you vote Hillary, you're educated (good)
-if you vote Trump, you're uneducated (bad)
-therefore you should vote for Hillary not Trump

It's a great Clinton ad

Interestingly, from that same article -

Romney drew support from 56 percent of white voters with college degrees, according to 2012 exit polls. Obama notched just 42 percent, but still cruised to a second term.


That's an even bigger gap than polls show between Trump and Clinton currently. I didn't vote in 2012 I was pretty jaded with the choices but if forced to would have selected Obama over Romney at the time.

Honestly I think you should go to the institution that gave you your college degree and ask for your money back.


Well I'm from Florida which had a scholarship program called 'Bright Futures' where if you actually did your work in highschool and graduated with a decent GPA, they woulc pay 75% or 100% of your college tuition. I earned the 75% program and paid the rest off working as a cashier as a freshman and a waiter as a senior. I'd definitely say I got my moneys worth because I was able to graduate without any college debt a much more educated individual than before I attended.

Much better than raising taxes to pay for making colleges free for everyone when you've got large portions of the student body failing classes, dropping out, and taking their college education as more of a 'party experience' than a professional education. It keeps people accountable when it's their own money on the line (or their parents) rather than a federal entitlement paid for by the government. This was one of my many criticisms of Sanders.

Anyways I'm trying to keep this as professional as possible so I can continue posting here because I've clearly pissed at least one of the mods off for them to be directly insulting my intelligence and education.

President Obama will visit Dallas on Tuesday at the invitation of Mayor Mike Rawlings, following the shooting deaths of five police officers.

Obama will deliver remarks at an interfaith memorial service at the Morton H. Meyerson Symphony Center, the White House announced on Sunday afternoon.
He will also meet with the families of the police officers who were killed and those who were injured.

Vice President Biden will also attend, the White House said Sunday, as will President George W. Bush and his wife.

President Bush will also speak, the White House said.

A sniper killed five police officers Thursday night during a protest against recent police shootings of black men.

Obama condemned the sniper attack as a despicable act in a statement from the NATO summit in Poland.

"I believe I speak for every single American when I say we are horrified over these events, and we stand united with the people and the police department in Dallas,” Obama said. "Anyone involved in the senseless murders will be held fully accountable. Justice will be done."


Source
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23489 Posts
July 11 2016 03:54 GMT
#84788
I'm curious what Hillary supporters are thinking about the Dem platform?
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-11 03:57:52
July 11 2016 03:57 GMT
#84789
It's fine. Most democrats seem to be in support of the platform and the push for the minimum wage increase.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23489 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-11 04:13:53
July 11 2016 04:01 GMT
#84790
On July 11 2016 12:57 Plansix wrote:
It's fine. Most democrats seem to be in support of the platform and the push for the minimum wage increase.


Took a while to get there ($15 over $12), I remember being told multiple times it was a bad idea. What about TPP and the Palestinian people amendments?
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
July 11 2016 04:07 GMT
#84791
Calling it. Everyone is surprised how quite Trump has been but I bet he is seething as he is not the center of attention, so watch Tuesday he will say something to get back the media on him probably while Obama is paying his respects.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15725 Posts
July 11 2016 05:12 GMT
#84792
On July 11 2016 12:54 GreenHorizons wrote:
I'm curious what Hillary supporters are thinking about the Dem platform?


Looks good to me. I had no confidence in Bernie's ability to lead. His ideas are great, which is essentially the platform. Bernie's ideas with Clinton's muscle gets an A+ from me.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23489 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-11 06:09:24
July 11 2016 05:23 GMT
#84793
On July 11 2016 14:12 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2016 12:54 GreenHorizons wrote:
I'm curious what Hillary supporters are thinking about the Dem platform?


Looks good to me. I had no confidence in Bernie's ability to lead. His ideas are great, which is essentially the platform. Bernie's ideas with Clinton's muscle gets an A+ from me.


If she used her muscle to try to stop most of the changes, what makes you think she would push for it in office?
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Evotroid
Profile Joined October 2011
Hungary176 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-11 08:09:47
July 11 2016 08:09 GMT
#84794
On July 11 2016 14:23 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2016 14:12 Mohdoo wrote:
On July 11 2016 12:54 GreenHorizons wrote:
I'm curious what Hillary supporters are thinking about the Dem platform?


Looks good to me. I had no confidence in Bernie's ability to lead. His ideas are great, which is essentially the platform. Bernie's ideas with Clinton's muscle gets an A+ from me.


If she used her muscle to try to stop most of the changes, what makes you think she would push for it in office?


I mean, you spend the whole year trying to convince us that Hillary has no principles and will do whatever gets her in office. So, by that logic, you only need to ensure that Hillary needs the support of Bernie voters, and you can be sure she will push for those changes.

Don't laugh at me, I don't think she is gonna get that much changing done, but since we are past the point of choice, might as well make the most out of it :D
I got nothing.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21963 Posts
July 11 2016 09:22 GMT
#84795
On July 11 2016 10:30 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Here's a video interview to that article Stealth linked earlier at one of the potential VP choices Trump is looking at

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvdAaygkBoU

I couldn't ask for a better VP pick in this interview

Don't you think that Trump, who has no actual political experience, would benefit greatly from having a politician as his VP, someone who knows how to play the Washington game inside and out and who can help him actually get his plans implemented?
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
kapibara-san
Profile Joined July 2016
Japan415 Posts
July 11 2016 10:05 GMT
#84796
On July 11 2016 12:26 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2016 11:53 KwarK wrote:
On July 11 2016 08:47 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On July 11 2016 08:32 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
ATLANTA (AP) — Wanda Melton has voted for every Republican presidential nominee since Ronald Reagan in 1980, but now the Georgia grandmother plans to cross over to support Democrat Hillary Clinton.

"I'm not a real fan of Hillary," Melton says from her office in Atlanta. "But I think it would just be awful to have Donald Trump." She adds: "I cannot in good conscience let that happen."

Melton is among a particular group of voters, whites with college degrees, who are resistant to Trump. Their skepticism comes as an ominous warning as Trump struggles to rebuild even the losing coalition that Mitt Romney managed four years ago.

College-educated whites made up more than one-third of the electorate in 2012. Polls suggest Trump trails Clinton with those voters, especially women.

"Donald Trump simply cannot afford to lose ground in any segment of the electorate" that supported Romney, said Florida pollster Fernand Amandi. Romney's strength with that group, for example, made for a close race in Florida, where President Barack Obama won by less than 75,000 votes out of more than 8.4 million cast.

Some Republicans worry Trump's approach — his unvarnished, sometimes uncouth demeanor and his nationalist and populist arguments — guarantees his defeat, because the same outsider appeal that attracts many working class and even college-educated white men alienates other voters with a college degree.


Source



White with a college degree here who supports Trump over Hillary.

I plan on getting another one for free with my G.I. Bill when my military service ends.

I love the media trying to paint the narrative that 'educated vote for Hillary' and 'uneducated vote for Trump'.

-educated is good 'uneducated' is bad
-if you vote Hillary, you're educated (good)
-if you vote Trump, you're uneducated (bad)
-therefore you should vote for Hillary not Trump

It's a great Clinton ad

Interestingly, from that same article -

Romney drew support from 56 percent of white voters with college degrees, according to 2012 exit polls. Obama notched just 42 percent, but still cruised to a second term.


That's an even bigger gap than polls show between Trump and Clinton currently. I didn't vote in 2012 I was pretty jaded with the choices but if forced to would have selected Obama over Romney at the time.

Honestly I think you should go to the institution that gave you your college degree and ask for your money back.


Well I'm from Florida which had a scholarship program called 'Bright Futures' where if you actually did your work in highschool and graduated with a decent GPA, they woulc pay 75% or 100% of your college tuition. I earned the 75% program and paid the rest off working as a cashier as a freshman and a waiter as a senior. I'd definitely say I got my moneys worth because I was able to graduate without any college debt a much more educated individual than before I attended.

Much better than raising taxes to pay for making colleges free for everyone when you've got large portions of the student body failing classes, dropping out, and taking their college education as more of a 'party experience' than a professional education. It keeps people accountable when it's their own money on the line (or their parents) rather than a federal entitlement paid for by the government. This was one of my many criticisms of Sanders.

Anyways I'm trying to keep this as professional as possible so I can continue posting here because I've clearly pissed at least one of the mods off for them to be directly insulting my intelligence and education.

welcome to kwark
tfw your posting style is obnoxious to everybody else but strangely compelling to you... like a fart...
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-11 13:23:17
July 11 2016 13:19 GMT
#84797
On July 11 2016 13:01 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2016 12:57 Plansix wrote:
It's fine. Most democrats seem to be in support of the platform and the push for the minimum wage increase.


Took a while to get there ($15 over $12), I remember being told multiple times it was a bad idea. What about TPP and the Palestinian people amendments?


It is still 100% a bad idea, but if the Democratic platform is going to be "aspirational" then it's whatever. $15/hr is really good money in some places and for some people, and very bad for certain kinds of businesses with tight margins like mom and pop grocery stores. It's a popular idea among regular Americans (through a very controversial one for people who have a basic understanding of its impact on the economy) so I'm fine with it.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 11 2016 13:22 GMT
#84798
On July 11 2016 22:19 ticklishmusic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2016 13:01 GreenHorizons wrote:
On July 11 2016 12:57 Plansix wrote:
It's fine. Most democrats seem to be in support of the platform and the push for the minimum wage increase.


Took a while to get there ($15 over $12), I remember being told multiple times it was a bad idea. What about TPP and the Palestinian people amendments?


It's kind of a shitty idea, but if the Democratic platform is going to be aspirational then it's whatever. $15/hr is really good money in some places and for some people, and very bad for certain kinds of businesses with tight margins like mom and pop grocery stores.

People do often forget that the party platforms are aspirational and it is things that the party would like to accomplish, rather mandates they must follow.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-11 13:25:58
July 11 2016 13:24 GMT
#84799
On July 11 2016 22:22 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2016 22:19 ticklishmusic wrote:
On July 11 2016 13:01 GreenHorizons wrote:
On July 11 2016 12:57 Plansix wrote:
It's fine. Most democrats seem to be in support of the platform and the push for the minimum wage increase.


Took a while to get there ($15 over $12), I remember being told multiple times it was a bad idea. What about TPP and the Palestinian people amendments?


It's kind of a shitty idea, but if the Democratic platform is going to be aspirational then it's whatever. $15/hr is really good money in some places and for some people, and very bad for certain kinds of businesses with tight margins like mom and pop grocery stores.

People do often forget that the party platforms are aspirational and it is things that the party would like to accomplish, rather mandates they must follow.


I edited to put aspiration in quotation marks. The Dems want s a higher minimum wage, but slapping on an arbitrary and likely (economically) harmful $15/hr number just doesn't seem like a good idea. I would have preferred really strong language about a livable wage indexed for cost of living and inflation which I think most people can agree is the ultimate goal. That said since it won't hinder or harm the party I can live with it.
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Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21963 Posts
July 11 2016 13:29 GMT
#84800
On July 11 2016 22:24 ticklishmusic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2016 22:22 Plansix wrote:
On July 11 2016 22:19 ticklishmusic wrote:
On July 11 2016 13:01 GreenHorizons wrote:
On July 11 2016 12:57 Plansix wrote:
It's fine. Most democrats seem to be in support of the platform and the push for the minimum wage increase.


Took a while to get there ($15 over $12), I remember being told multiple times it was a bad idea. What about TPP and the Palestinian people amendments?


It's kind of a shitty idea, but if the Democratic platform is going to be aspirational then it's whatever. $15/hr is really good money in some places and for some people, and very bad for certain kinds of businesses with tight margins like mom and pop grocery stores.

People do often forget that the party platforms are aspirational and it is things that the party would like to accomplish, rather mandates they must follow.


I edited to put aspiration in quotation marks. The Dems want s a higher minimum wage, but slapping on an arbitrary and likely (economically) harmful $15/hr number just doesn't seem like a good idea. I would have preferred really strong language about a livable wage indexed for cost of living and inflation which I think most people can agree is the ultimate goal. That said since it won't hinder or harm the party I can live with it.

Its 15 on the platform to appease Bernie supporters. I don't expect Hillary to aim for 15 at all. (she campaigned on 12 for example).
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