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oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-20 19:40:02
April 20 2016 19:39 GMT
#72981
bernie's been in politics for decades. don't think he'll learn any new tricks

he's also very liable to do strange things and whatnot and damage the campaign.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18825 Posts
April 20 2016 19:49 GMT
#72982
Folks said literally the exact same things about Biden.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
April 20 2016 19:52 GMT
#72983
biden says things leftists don't like, or grammer stuff. bernie will just make the party look crazy
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
mahrgell
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Germany3943 Posts
April 20 2016 19:56 GMT
#72984
On April 21 2016 04:21 Naracs_Duc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2016 04:06 oneofthem wrote:
sanders as vp? hell no


Sanders would be the perfect VP candidate. Liked by many, kind of overly idealistic, but can put some more pragmatic notches in his belt. Come reelection he will have more experience in all the things his detractors dislike, and with Hilary with him he will gain stronger allies for both the superdelegate support as well as the south support.

If he was really in it to change politics and become the future president of the United States--he would be perfect.


But you know his age?
I'm already surprised that it it never an issue, but as someone whos plans would probably require more like 20 years to be realized he would certainly need the full 8 years to at least get some stuff done. But I wouldn't bet that he has still the same drive and power in his 8th year.
Looking at Obama, who had quite some ambitious program, but far less so than Bernie and requiring way less and how he seems very burned out after those 8 years and having only achieved a tiny bit of his goals... How would a Sanders fair?

But now talking about him candidating at any further election... Whoa... stop please.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
April 20 2016 19:57 GMT
#72985
On April 21 2016 04:49 farvacola wrote:
Folks said literally the exact same things about Biden.

Biden lives with his foot in his mouth. Bernie's problem is quite different.
Naracs_Duc
Profile Joined August 2015
746 Posts
April 20 2016 19:57 GMT
#72986
On April 21 2016 04:52 oneofthem wrote:
biden says things leftists don't like, or grammer stuff. bernie will just make the party look crazy


I love Biden! Shut your trap hole

But yeah, he was very much overshadowed without doing much on his own--which is unfortunate.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-20 19:59:59
April 20 2016 19:57 GMT
#72987
I will stay that Biden is more personable that Bernie, but I don’t think Bernie would be a bad VP or make “the party look crazy”. The democrats have had some left leaning winners in the senate that even the Bern can’t hold a candle to.

On April 21 2016 04:57 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2016 04:49 farvacola wrote:
Folks said literally the exact same things about Biden.

Biden lives with his foot in his mouth. Bernie's problem is quite different.

Biden’s ability to say really dumb things has always been paired with earnest good intent that allowed people to explain it away.
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farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18825 Posts
April 20 2016 20:00 GMT
#72988
Biden and Sanders are certainly very different; the point is that long-term political predictability and liability for wacky behavior are not, in and of themselves, liabilities relative to Sanders' viability as VP.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21662 Posts
April 20 2016 20:04 GMT
#72989
a VP needs charisma. Biden has that. Bernie not so much.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Naracs_Duc
Profile Joined August 2015
746 Posts
April 20 2016 20:06 GMT
#72990
On April 21 2016 05:04 Gorsameth wrote:
a VP needs charisma. Biden has that. Bernie not so much.


We must be looking at different candidates because Charisma is all Bernie's got right now.

Delegates, no
Votes, no
Support, no

But charisma and che clone tshirts? Yes.
Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-20 20:06:24
April 20 2016 20:06 GMT
#72991
On April 21 2016 05:04 Gorsameth wrote:
a VP needs charisma. Biden has that. Bernie not so much.


I think Biden has a little too much charisma
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
April 20 2016 20:17 GMT
#72992
jim webb tho
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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23209 Posts
April 20 2016 20:19 GMT
#72993
On April 21 2016 05:17 oneofthem wrote:
jim webb tho


Poor Jim Webb would have had more success in the Republican primary, even with 17 people in it.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
April 20 2016 20:22 GMT
#72994
On April 21 2016 04:52 oneofthem wrote:
biden says things leftists don't like, or grammer stuff. bernie will just make the party look crazy

Another unjustified assessment. Sanders as a VP would have the big advantage of encouraging Sanders voters who're not usual democrats voters to vote for Clinton instead of not voting.
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oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-20 20:38:31
April 20 2016 20:37 GMT
#72995
the impact on florida and jewish vote alone would disqualify him as vp.

berniebros can get lost. sandernistas are mostly either captured or in deep blue states.

there is not much to gain here. the young white vote can go educate themselves instead of expecting pandering.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4748 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-20 20:40:23
April 20 2016 20:40 GMT
#72996
I'm glad Hamilton was spared and kept on currency. Tubman is a good choice as well.

Not bad at all.
"It is therefore only at the birth of a society that one can be completely logical in the laws. When you see a people enjoying this advantage, do not hasten to conclude that it is wise; think rather that it is young." -Alexis de Tocqueville
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23209 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-20 20:46:54
April 20 2016 20:42 GMT
#72997
On April 21 2016 05:37 oneofthem wrote:
the impact on florida and jewish vote alone would disqualify him as vp.

berniebros can get lost. sandernistas are mostly either captured or in deep blue states.

there is not much to gain here. the young white vote can go educate themselves instead of expecting pandering.


3-6 months from now, if Hillary is in the general and losing ground daily to Trump, and Hillary supporters are wondering why, remember this. ^

On April 21 2016 05:40 Introvert wrote:
I'm glad Hamilton was spared and kept on currency. Tubman is a good choice as well.

Not bad at all.


Agreed. Weird to see so many people bent out of shape about it.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18825 Posts
April 20 2016 20:43 GMT
#72998
Hamilton is way cooler than Jackson, so yeah, definitely happy with the currency issue.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
April 20 2016 20:48 GMT
#72999
Someone just sent me a screen shot of their Facebook page and one of our old college buddies is complaining about “white genocide’ with the choice of Tubman. Sometimes they make hitting that unfriend button so easy.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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ragz_gt
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
9172 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-20 20:58:43
April 20 2016 20:57 GMT
#73000
On April 21 2016 05:42 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2016 05:37 oneofthem wrote:
the impact on florida and jewish vote alone would disqualify him as vp.

berniebros can get lost. sandernistas are mostly either captured or in deep blue states.

there is not much to gain here. the young white vote can go educate themselves instead of expecting pandering.


3-6 months from now, if Hillary is in the general and losing ground daily to Trump, and Hillary supporters are wondering why, remember this. ^

Show nested quote +
On April 21 2016 05:40 Introvert wrote:
I'm glad Hamilton was spared and kept on currency. Tubman is a good choice as well.

Not bad at all.


Agreed. Weird to see so many people bent out of shape about it.


The choices are good, it's just funny that the whole "put a woman on currency" got kicked to backside because of a Broadway play.
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