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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
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zf
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On March 27 2016 12:06 giftdgecko wrote: It's also the type of thing that drive party members away from the other candidate. Attack the candidate if you must, but this idea of "sandernistas" and ignorant millennials has already driven many to say they won't vote for Hillary if she wins I doubt anyone will refuse to vote because Sanders's name sounds like a Latin American anti-imperialist movement... | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States22742 Posts
On March 27 2016 13:54 LegalLord wrote: It has to outdo Arizona of course. Social media tally has it 70-30. Apparently there was some super sketchy stuff in Hawaii. A Hillary supporter/caucus leader was caught trying to toss a bunch of Bernie votes. Apparently there's more sketchy stuff going down too. Since Arizona has only counted 62 votes since the 22nd it's going to be tough for Hawaii to actually out do it for another week. That's presuming they do eventually count the rest of the votes in Arizona. I'd point out WA avoided pretty much all of the problems previous caucuses have had. Our vote was 100% counted in less than 12 hours after our caucus closed. Nothing we could do about the party losing surrogate affidavit forms though. EDIT: Nope, looks like Hawaii is already past AZ on %-in. 70-30 or better in all 3 contests. Good day for Sanders no matter how anyone wants to paint it. | ||
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kwizach
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28565 Posts
On March 27 2016 12:06 giftdgecko wrote: It's also the type of thing that drive party members away from the other candidate. Attack the candidate if you must, but this idea of "sandernistas" and ignorant millennials has already driven many to say they won't vote for Hillary if she wins Sandernista shouldn't really be insulting for people who want to vote for him. The Sandinista-government was ruined by the US and Reagan's support for the Contras (which was a truly abhorrent group) more than by their own incompetence or bad policies. Not that I support the undemocratic elements under their state of emergency, but as far as leftist revolutionary groups go, the initial policies favored by the Sandinistas are about as good as they get; with mass literacy, focus on health care and gender equality as their chief political goals. In reality, the US is the party which looks really bad in the Nicaraguan revolution, choosing to support a group which targeted schools and health care centers and which employed mass murder, rape and torture in their fight against education, health care and gender equality. Personally I think as far as 'horrible cold war policies undertaken by the US' goes, their support of the Contras is up there with vietnam, pinochet and support for RENAMO in the mozambique civil war. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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RvB
Netherlands6192 Posts
On March 27 2016 21:46 oneofthem wrote: oh man. u.s. yield seeking funds buying chinese NPL debt is going to end really well. can the algorithms see why kids love cinnamon toasted books Do you have a source? Most likely they're expecting the chinese government to help with the NPLs or something like that and don't really know how they dealt with the last wave of NPLs. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
see eg http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/7debf7a6-e116-11e5-8d9b-e88a2a889797.htmlp | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
These guys are ducking idiots, go invest in a enveloping country with a solid workforce and business friendly environment. That's where the returns are. | ||
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corumjhaelen
France6884 Posts
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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Soularion
Canada2764 Posts
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On March 28 2016 00:24 oneofthem wrote: china would find a way to only bail out chinese stakeholders lmao gotta invest through a chinese intermediate then :> | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
On March 28 2016 00:32 ticklishmusic wrote: gotta invest through a chinese intermediate then :> better hold that guy's family hostage or u won't get it back.  | ||
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parkufarku
882 Posts
On March 25 2016 12:33 GreenHorizons wrote: Why are people still pretending this only happened in Arizona (regarding long lines)? It happened in several states where the process was fully under the party control too. Once you get past pretending this is the first time so strictly blaming republicans no longer makes sense you may be interested into looking into what they are trying to pull on Democrats, with cards to prove it, when they were given provisional ballots instead because they ran out of standard ballots. No one defending Hillary or the DNC on voter suppression has shown even an inkling of knowing what they are refuting beyond random reddit comments and this thing about the registration changes which is standard voter suppression that's happened in many elections (and several other primaries) though is rarely followed up on and before cell phone cameras was hard to obtain evidence of (since the source documents were controlled by the parties who would be manipulating them). It's not very different than the arguments about dashcam tapes that mysteriously don't capture/malfunction at key times and conveniently obscure any potentially damaging evidence from being procured from them. In a similar way we have Clinton using these old tactics without appropriate consideration for cell phone cameras and alternative sources of information. Hence why after seeing them it follows the "well we don't have the context, and it's just a few bad apples" arguments that are all too familiar to folks like myself. Or just straight denial and rationalizations as is the case with how the media has reported the Arizona results. Don't forget Bill Clinton in Massachusetts blocking off polling places and being there to draw votes for his wife. Seriously, Hillary is so corrupt with her DNC pals that it makes me sick. How can a democratic election be so un-democratic? If Sanders loses, I know I will be voting for Trump over Clinton (as a pretty liberal guy). Fuck the establishment. They just choose who they want to nominate - and don't care what the people want / vote for. And they'll skew the media to make people believe their candidate (sanders) has no chance. Actually Hillary is not really a democrat. With all her policies in mind, she's a moderate Republican. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
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GreenHorizons
United States22742 Posts
On March 28 2016 02:28 Plansix wrote: As FTFY. Bill broke election rules and the state covered for him. It's not very high on my list of egregious violations but there is 0 doubt he broke the law and they covered for him. That you think it's funny doesn't surprise me though. Anyone else find it peculiar that 100% of all the states from yesterday are in but Arizona still only has 79%? Or that not all of WA's delegates are accounted for in 538's tracker with 100% of the vote but all the delegates were accounted for in AZ with only 79% of the vote in? On March 28 2016 00:29 Soularion wrote: Pretty big night for Sanders. If he can continue these stomps going into Wisconsin/Wyoming, hopefully the momentum is enough to make NY a nailbiter. Must have missed the memo from Hillary to the media and supporters "talk about anything other than the D nomination for the next 2 weeks!". | ||
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parkufarku
882 Posts
On March 28 2016 03:13 GreenHorizons wrote: FTFY. Bill broke election rules and the state covered for him. It's not very high on my list of egregious violations but there is 0 doubt he broke the law and they covered for him. That you think it's funny doesn't surprise me though. Anyone else find it peculiar that 100% of all the states from yesterday are in but Arizona still only has 79%? Or that not all of WA's delegates are accounted for in 538's tracker with 100% of the vote but all the delegates were accounted for in AZ with only 79% of the vote in? Must have missed the memo from Hillary to the media and supporters "talk about anything other than the election for the next 2 weeks!". Totally agree. That dude up there is a clown, it's better to just ignore him. How can you deny that her husband broke election law? I mean, it's probably not going to make a big difference in the long-run, but small stuff like that really does add up in the end. And it leaves everyone in bad taste. Every Hillary supporter I ran across, I just simply asked them legitimate reasons (non-combatively) on why they support her. Only two responses I got: "I'm a woman, and I want a female president." Or ".........." Yeah, that silence is real. They can't think of good reasons on why to support Hillary over Bernie. | ||
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parkufarku
882 Posts
![[image loading]](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CeQ2fqIWwAEe839.jpg:large) I guess Anonymous is looking into this? They seem to be pretty pro-Sanders which is no surprise. | ||
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