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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/3/25/11293258/tax-plan-calculator-2016 i can see how some of his supporters dont appreciate the magnitude of this political difficulty | ||
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Nyxisto
Germany6287 Posts
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Yurie
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On March 26 2016 08:47 oneofthem wrote: idk how bernie can win with this http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/3/25/11293258/tax-plan-calculator-2016 i can see how some of his supporters dont appreciate the magnitude of this political difficulty Tried reading that article but missed the information about added or decreased personal costs due to the taxes. Money goes and comes from somewhere. It seemed to only list direct tax costs including company costs that might take a decade to trickle down in case of a decrease in their taxes (assume they would cut sale prices instead of raising wages, which is also hard to judge). | ||
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Deleted User 137586
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On March 26 2016 08:47 oneofthem wrote: idk how bernie can win with this http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/3/25/11293258/tax-plan-calculator-2016 i can see how some of his supporters dont appreciate the magnitude of this political difficulty Wow, Sanders would double my tax rate. And I'm Estonian and make Estonian level money... Trump and Cruz would cut most of my taxes... What this tells me is that these plans are pretty ludicrous Surprised there's no change under Clinton, always thought I was in a higher bracket. | ||
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Naracs_Duc
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On March 26 2016 08:46 Mohdoo wrote: In Portland, going to the Bernie Sanders rally is like going to church in the south. Its where you find your fuck buddies while listening to some old guy you don't believe in talk about things you don't care about and then saying amen at the end of it? Sounds accurate to most Bernie supporters  | ||
KwarK
United States44015 Posts
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
they also count corporate tax as its partial incidence on workers | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
North Carolina Gov. Pat McCrory (R) late Wednesday night signed rushed legislation that, as is widely known, eliminates local governments' ability to pass anti-discrimination measures to protect gay and transgender individuals. But what received less immediate attention was that the new law guts workplace discrimination protections for virtually everyone. A section of the new law alters the state's law that had allowed private sector employees to sue their employers under state law discrimination on the basis of of race, religion, color, national origin, age, sex or handicap. "It takes away a right that people have had for 30 years," Bill Rowe, the director of advocacy at the North Carolina Justice Center told TPM on Friday. "It’s a pretty big change that caught us all by surprise." Due to differences between filing a suit in federal court, as opposed to state court, this change could discourage people from filing an employment discrimination claim, Rowe said. The statute of limitations for filing in federal court is much shorter, and the court filing fee is higher on the federal level as well. There are also fewer federal district courts in the state, making it less convenient for some workers to sue. While North Carolina never had a clear anti-discrimination law similar to those in other states, plaintiffs had been able to use a legislative declaration passed in 1977 to file lawsuits against their former employers regarding discrimination based on race, religion, color, national origin, age, sex or handicap. The new law amends the statute by declaring that it "does not create, and shall not be construed to create or support, a statutory or common law private right of action, and no person may bring any civil action based upon the public policy expressed herein." Lawyers say that this new language eliminates employees' ability to use state law to file discrimination suits, leaving them only able to use federal law to sue former employers. Source | ||
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Chewbacca.
United States3634 Posts
On March 26 2016 08:47 oneofthem wrote: idk how bernie can win with this http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/3/25/11293258/tax-plan-calculator-2016 i can see how some of his supporters dont appreciate the magnitude of this political difficulty All my lost money.  | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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Souma
2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
Anyway... BIRDIE SANDERS - THE CHOSEN ONE. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
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farvacola
United States18858 Posts
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
individual and corporate income taxes, payroll taxes, and excise taxes doesn't take much to figure how sanders would change these parameters income tax rate raises, payroll tax raise from health plan, and broad corporate rate increase. the pretty sizeable cap gains tax increase isn't really even accounted for with that calculator. it'll probably do a big number on overall economic performance. there's also the shifty move of making employer healthplan a taxable value, also not factored into the numbers. in actual bernieworld, you are probably looking at a bigger increase in tax burden than what the calculator shows. at the start of this i said bernie is proposing a broad middle class tax raise but some people are in denial lol | ||
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Nyxisto
Germany6287 Posts
The 3k to 6k that middle class families seem to lose would be regained even if he only halfs tuition for two kids | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
if the people reject the plan as they have already done so in the democratic primaries, then honest reflection about the platform and strategy should be taken. it would be a continuation of a grave mistake to persist in holding the belief that when one's movement fails, it is because of some giant conspiracy and crooks fucking the good guys over. but anyway, i would not grant that 'worth it' label. the current system in healthcare and education are just fucked up at the cost level. you want to push for reform before expanding service. this direction is important because it would be throwing money into a fire if you do not reform, and expanding benefits is politically entrenching. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23989 Posts
On March 26 2016 13:37 oneofthem wrote: even granting that, you need to honestly confront the eventuality, whether forced by the election process or just out of civic duty, of having to present the tradeoffs honestly to the electorate. if the people reject the plan as they have already done so in the democratic primaries, then honest reflection about the platform and strategy should be taken. it would be a continuation of a grave mistake to persist in holding the belief that when one's movement fails, it is because of some giant conspiracy and crooks fucking the good guys over. but anyway, i would not grant that 'worth it' label. the current system in healthcare and education are just fucked up at the cost level. you want to push for reform before expanding service. this direction is important because it would be throwing money into a fire if you do not reform, and expanding benefits is politically entrenching. Bernie isn't the one being dishonest about the tradeoffs. Remember when Hillary told us Bernie wants to get rid of the ACA and argue about replacing it after it's gone, like that's even a remotely honest thing to say? I was in line/hanging out/volunteering at the Bernie Rally in Seattle all day so I missed Birdie Sanders, that's glorious. The Trump eagle/Bernie Monster gif is gold too. Should be 3-0 tomorrow, with Hillary expecting to lose in Wyoming and Wisconsin too. Going to be a rough couple weeks if MSM doesn't find something else to fill the air with other than the election. Is Arizona ever going to count the other "~21%" of votes? | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On March 26 2016 13:31 Nyxisto wrote: Would still be easily worth it though if he's going to implement free education and healthcare The 3k to 6k that middle class families seem to lose would be regained even if he only halfs tuition for two kids Just like in healthcare, the problem with expensive education is refusing to crush certain special interests under the government thumb, while simultaneously providing them with massive subsidies. The Sanders plan is just a free check for Universities to lock in super high tuition. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23989 Posts
On March 26 2016 15:36 cLutZ wrote: Just like in healthcare, the problem with expensive education is refusing to crush certain special interests under the government thumb, while simultaneously providing them with massive subsidies. The Sanders plan is just a free check for Universities to lock in super high tuition. Yeah doctors are always bragging about how much money they rake in off of serving medicare patients. Education is next, someone save the children from being able to go to college without getting 10-20 years worth of a debt penalty for having parents who couldn't pay for it. | ||
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